Anonymous
02/24/2019 16:46
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a colored immigrant. I don't care if my DC's school mates are brown, black, pink, or green. I just need to find a school where students are learning every day and teachers are teaching every day. I would not like if my DC's classmates interrupt classes every other day or if the teachers only pay attention to the students who need extra help.
yup that's what most African and Asian immigrants are doing. They want the best schools for their children. Diversity is only an issue for white guilt liberals
Guess this is a good time to remind yourself that not all non-white people are alike. Diversity is extremely important to me and a critical consideration in deciding what makes a school good or "the best". Judging by the number of similar families in our cluster (and by the spread of ethnic minorities in MoCo in general), I'm not alone in my thinking.
-Asian immigrant
Your choice is not necessarily different than that of the PP. The question is: do you really want a "diverse" environment, or is that something you think will make the school better (e.g. less racial issues toward your child). I am Asian too. I would prefer a school with reasonable number of Asian students, mostly not because I have to have that for my child, but because usually (it can be wrong) more Asians in a school is linked to better school rating.
I'm the PP you're responding to. I get your concern about not wanting your child to be the only Asian in the school, but that wouldn't be an issue in most MoCo schools. I would also point out that the pattern of more Asian = better rating is driven by the high average education level of Asian parents in the DC area (and the US in general). Kids with highly educated parents tend to fare better under all circumstances (school SES level, private vs public, etc).
To answer your question, I want my child to interact as much as possible with all racial/ethnic groups and across SES levels. IMHO, in this country, that kind of interaction is a critical component of education.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 16:30
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:\Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.
DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.
Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.
Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion
cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.
and to the grammar nazi go f yourself
DP here. I'm Asian and wanted black kids and Hispanic kids in my children's school regardless of socioeconomic background. I feel like my kids ability to get along with people from all walks of life is critical to their future. It's unbelievable that in this area I still come across people, people who attended higly rated schools or private schools, who literally get uncomfortable interacting with a group of black people.
+1 I'm also an Asian American parent, and we too wanted our children to see successful and smart black and hispanic people and not grow up with a stereotype of certain racial groups.
If you look at some of the non W school clusters like Northwest and RM (non IB, look at JWMS), you'd see that there are a fair amount of Asian Americans in those cluster. And believe it or not, some of us can actually afford to live in a W cluster but choose not to for one reason or another.
Please highlight these schools with lots of blacks and Hispanics in top classes. If anything in most diverse schools it's mostly just whites Asians and Africans with mostly Hispanics and African Americans in lower classes which just furthers stereotypes.
The private schools. Educated, successful blacks and Latinos send their kids there so that teacher grading biases or underperformance generalizations are minimized.
And yes, going to a wheaton magnet program where the overall school has 30-40% proficiency rates for Hispanics and AA does three things: Makes it socially awkward for intelligent, hardworking AAs in particulate; reinforces racial intelligence and work ethic stereotypes, ; and delays the meeting for intelligent hard working AA or Central Americans/Mexicans until college (at which point one would assume that affirmative action crutch is lifting one up.
Frankly makes the case for differentiation across the board. Mcps should not be losing so many intelligent AAs to private schools.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 15:32
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:\Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.
DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.
Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.
Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion
cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.
and to the grammar nazi go f yourself
DP here. I'm Asian and wanted black kids and Hispanic kids in my children's school regardless of socioeconomic background. I feel like my kids ability to get along with people from all walks of life is critical to their future. It's unbelievable that in this area I still come across people, people who attended higly rated schools or private schools, who literally get uncomfortable interacting with a group of black people.
+1 I'm also an Asian American parent, and we too wanted our children to see successful and smart black and hispanic people and not grow up with a stereotype of certain racial groups.
If you look at some of the non W school clusters like Northwest and RM (non IB, look at JWMS), you'd see that there are a fair amount of Asian Americans in those cluster. And believe it or not, some of us can actually afford to live in a W cluster but choose not to for one reason or another.
Please highlight these schools with lots of blacks and Hispanics in top classes. If anything in most diverse schools it's mostly just whites Asians and Africans with mostly Hispanics and African Americans in lower classes which just furthers stereotypes.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 14:37
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
I would like my kids to go to a school where they have high performing peers irrespective of race or income. And beyond that I am not particularly looking for diversity of school. I would not choose a lower ranked school because it is more economically or racially diverse.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 13:39
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:\Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.
DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.
Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.
Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion
cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.
and to the grammar nazi go f yourself
DP here. I'm Asian and wanted black kids and Hispanic kids in my children's school regardless of socioeconomic background. I feel like my kids ability to get along with people from all walks of life is critical to their future. It's unbelievable that in this area I still come across people, people who attended higly rated schools or private schools, who literally get uncomfortable interacting with a group of black people.
+1 I'm also an Asian American parent, and we too wanted our children to see successful and smart black and hispanic people and not grow up with a stereotype of certain racial groups.
If you look at some of the non W school clusters like Northwest and RM (non IB, look at JWMS), you'd see that there are a fair amount of Asian Americans in those cluster. And believe it or not, some of us can actually afford to live in a W cluster but choose not to for one reason or another.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 12:48
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
The OP is describing me perfectly- we want our kids in a diverse school so that they establish friendships with many types of people, which will give them a broader and more creative mindset. But, we are relieved that our kids are in the advanced classes, because the downfall of truly diverse schools is that the line (both academic and behavioral) for "average" trends lower at diverse schools than higher SES schools. We wouldn't have chosen a diverse pyramid if we didn't have gifted children. Is that hypocritical? I don't think so. All parents are trying to offer their kids a leg up and we are no different. It is also nice that we are able to get a better value for our house, and many other expenses are lower than if we had chosen a higher SES area.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 12:38
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:Young white and Asian parents will fight diversity much harder than the boomer generation. They like to hurl "racist" accusations at their parents but in truth are far less tolerant.
And you know this because...how? Sorry you've never met an Asian or white person who actually cares about diversity. Come to my neighborhood and I bet you'll change your mind.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 12:35
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Young white and Asian parents will fight diversity much harder than the boomer generation. They like to hurl "racist" accusations at their parents but in truth are far less tolerant.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 12:24
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:\Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.
DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.
Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.
Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion
cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.
and to the grammar nazi go f yourself
DP here. I'm Asian and wanted black kids and Hispanic kids in my children's school regardless of socioeconomic background. I feel like my kids ability to get along with people from all walks of life is critical to their future. It's unbelievable that in this area I still come across people, people who attended higly rated schools or private schools, who literally get uncomfortable interacting with a group of black people.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 11:22
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:Whether you like it or not the diversity bus is coming to a neighborhood near you. The BOE already approved it so either get with the program or move.
There is no "diversity bus", and even if there were, there would be no need for it to come to my neighborhood, because my neighborhood already is diverse.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 11:13
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Whether you like it or not the diversity bus is coming to a neighborhood near you. The BOE already approved it so either get with the program or move.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 11:10
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:
cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.
and to the grammar nazi go f yourself
You just turned "African-Americans (not Africans)" and Hispanics into non-people.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 11:02
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
\Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.
DP. You're the one saying that it's a trade-off, as though you can either have educational quality or diversity, but not both. Consider examining that assumption. Indeed, consider the possibility that diversity is a contributing factor to educational quality.
Also keep in mind that "diversity" does not mean "a bunch of Hispanic and African-Americans (not Africans)". It means diversity.
Definition of diversity
1 : the condition of having or being composed of differing elements : VARIETY
especially : the inclusion of different types of people (such as people of different races or cultures) in a group or organization
programs intended to promote diversity in schools
2 : an instance of being composed of differing elements or qualities : an instance of being diverse
a diversity of opinion
cmon now get a clue. White and asian diversity who wouldn't want that. The diversity being pushed down peoples throats is somehow they should feel guilty about not wanting to be with low performing african americans (not africans) and hispanics.
and to the grammar nazi go f yourself
Anonymous
02/24/2019 10:57
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a colored immigrant. I don't care if my DC's school mates are brown, black, pink, or green. I just need to find a school where students are learning every day and teachers are teaching every day. I would not like if my DC's classmates interrupt classes every other day or if the teachers only pay attention to the students who need extra help.
yup that's what most African and Asian immigrants are doing. They want the best schools for their children. Diversity is only an issue for white guilt liberals
Guess this is a good time to remind yourself that not all non-white people are alike. Diversity is extremely important to me and a critical consideration in deciding what makes a school good or "the best". Judging by the number of similar families in our cluster (and by the spread of ethnic minorities in MoCo in general), I'm not alone in my thinking.
-Asian immigrant
Your choice is not necessarily different than that of the PP. The question is: do you really want a "diverse" environment, or is that something you think will make the school better (e.g. less racial issues toward your child). I am Asian too. I would prefer a school with reasonable number of Asian students, mostly not because I have to have that for my child, but because usually (it can be wrong) more Asians in a school is linked to better school rating.
Anonymous
02/24/2019 10:53
Subject: Hypocrisy about diverse schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a colored immigrant. I don't care if my DC's school mates are brown, black, pink, or green. I just need to find a school where students are learning every day and teachers are teaching every day. I would not like if my DC's classmates interrupt classes every other day or if the teachers only pay attention to the students who need extra help.
yup that's what most African and Asian immigrants are doing. They want the best schools for their children. Diversity is only an issue for white guilt liberals
Guess this is a good time to remind yourself that not all non-white people are alike. Diversity is extremely important to me and a critical consideration in deciding what makes a school good or "the best". Judging by the number of similar families in our cluster (and by the spread of ethnic minorities in MoCo in general), I'm not alone in my thinking.
-Asian immigrant
Another Asian immigrant here who deliberately looked for diverse schools. Education is super important to me but I knew well enough to analyze the ratings and test scores and to look beyond them. We are happy at Clarksburg.
Another Asian parent here. Also looked for diversity when picking a school. No minority kid likes being the only one.
well duh but the point is all of you value educational quality over diversity it's not like you are seeking out a bunch of hispanic and african americans (not africans) for the sake of diversity is it. If so you are as dumb as the while guilt folks.
Could you try to make that argument again, this time with punctuation, capitalization, and evidence? The posters you are arguing with sound like educated adults and you sound like a texting teenager.