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Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.

One of them is a written statement from a coach that he's in. The other is formal letter.

Good try but didn't cut the mustard.

If your kid is being recruited by one of the schools for a sport to the point that he's getting a written statement promising admissions, he is not seriously looking at Swarthmore.

Why so angry? I just answered the question for this chain. Sorry if you don't like my son's options and choices. Go talk to him. He'll make the decision. Not me.

How can your son be pretty sure he’s going to Swarthmore when he couldn’t have applied ED as he applied to Penn ED?

He didn't apply ED anywhere.

And he hasn't heard yet from Swarthmore. Applied regular decision.

So you know for sure he’s in at two Ivy schools even though he didn’t apply early to either? What an amazing coincidence.

Ugh. This is not some unique scenario. He has one formal letter and one written statement from a coach. Neither one requires ED. He isn't breaking any rules. He prefers Swarthmore at the moment because he likes the size and environment. He won't hear though until March, although we are anticipating he will get in and have choices. By the way, a friend of his who graduated last year had heard from either three or four top schools at this point last year. I'm not bragging, but was answering the question on this chain.

Your discussion of how admissions offers for athletes work betrays your story as false. DD was recruited this Fall by Penn, a highly ranked state flagship and two other selective division 1 schools. She ended up choosing the state flagship bc she is v. dedicated to her sport and loved the coaches, team, etc. at the Flagship.

Here is the how it happens: After visiting, the Penn coach offered her a spot on the team and told her he ran her academic profile (GPA, ACT) by the admissions dept and that she would be admitted. She could accept the offer with a verbal; once her application was submitted she would get a likely letter right away and a formal admissions decision in mid December with the rest of the pool. However the timeline for accepting the coach's offer was late September, early October. The coaches do NOT give out promises of admission and then sit back and wait to hear from the student in March. Further, you do not get the written likely letter until you apply, and for Penn once you apply ED you cant apply anywhere else. After she told Penn of her decision to go to the other school, another kid who plays the same position as her announced their commitment to Penn with a few weeks. Coaches move on fast or else they wont be able to field a competitive team.

You should clarify that this is how it happened for your daughter. No reason to try to univesalize what is an idiosyncratic process.

DP . Except it's not an idiosyncratic process, at least with the ivies....there are very specific guidelines at the league and institutional level. Random coaches can't magically implement their own recruiting processes.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on our suburban public school three years in a row

At most 1% of kids get into a top private. Here are some stats

Rank #3 - White female. Deferred from Stanford. Got into Brown and Duke. Went to state flagship

Rank #2 - Asian female, Applied ED to Penn, went to Penn

Rank #1 - Asian Male. Only got into Cornell and Dartmouth. Went to Dartmouth

Anecdotally, only URM's or diversity cases in our school make it to HYPSM


End of Story.

I guess you can keep hating on minorities, but the reality is that these schools are still majority white, with a national demographic that is now nearly not for that cohort. I have no idea what's going on with your school, but it's not the case that white kids are locked out. Not remotely true.

Here is how it actually works

Everything is about buckets

URM are still a rare find that everyone fights over. If you have a high quality URM from your high school they will get in over non-URM. These places don't like taking too many kids from a particular school (bucket). That is what is happening. There are still plenty of schools that don't have high performing URM. Those are the schools where more white and asian kids are getting in.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on our suburban public school three years in a row

At most 1% of kids get into a top private. Here are some stats

Rank #3 - White female. Deferred from Stanford. Got into Brown and Duke. Went to state flagship

Rank #2 - Asian female, Applied ED to Penn, went to Penn

Rank #1 - Asian Male. Only got into Cornell and Dartmouth. Went to Dartmouth

Anecdotally, only URM's or diversity cases in our school make it to HYPSM


End of Story.

I guess you can keep hating on minorities, but the reality is that these schools are still majority white, with a national demographic that is now nearly not for that cohort. I have no idea what's going on with your school, but it's not the case that white kids are locked out. Not remotely true.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.

One of them is a written statement from a coach that he's in. The other is formal letter.

Good try but didn't cut the mustard.

If your kid is being recruited by one of the schools for a sport to the point that he's getting a written statement promising admissions, he is not seriously looking at Swarthmore.

Why so angry? I just answered the question for this chain. Sorry if you don't like my son's options and choices. Go talk to him. He'll make the decision. Not me.

How can your son be pretty sure he’s going to Swarthmore when he couldn’t have applied ED as he applied to Penn ED?

He didn't apply ED anywhere.

And he hasn't heard yet from Swarthmore. Applied regular decision.

So you know for sure he’s in at two Ivy schools even though he didn’t apply early to either? What an amazing coincidence.

Ugh. This is not some unique scenario. He has one formal letter and one written statement from a coach. Neither one requires ED. He isn't breaking any rules. He prefers Swarthmore at the moment because he likes the size and environment. He won't hear though until March, although we are anticipating he will get in and have choices. By the way, a friend of his who graduated last year had heard from either three or four top schools at this point last year. I'm not bragging, but was answering the question on this chain.

Your discussion of how admissions offers for athletes work betrays your story as false. DD was recruited this Fall by Penn, a highly ranked state flagship and two other selective division 1 schools. She ended up choosing the state flagship bc she is v. dedicated to her sport and loved the coaches, team, etc. at the Flagship.

Here is the how it happens: After visiting, the Penn coach offered her a spot on the team and told her he ran her academic profile (GPA, ACT) by the admissions dept and that she would be admitted. She could accept the offer with a verbal; once her application was submitted she would get a likely letter right away and a formal admissions decision in mid December with the rest of the pool. However the timeline for accepting the coach's offer was late September, early October. The coaches do NOT give out promises of admission and then sit back and wait to hear from the student in March. Further, you do not get the written likely letter until you apply, and for Penn once you apply ED you cant apply anywhere else. After she told Penn of her decision to go to the other school, another kid who plays the same position as her announced their commitment to Penn with a few weeks. Coaches move on fast or else they wont be able to field a competitive team.

You should clarify that this is how it happened for your daughter. No reason to try to univesalize what is an idiosyncratic process.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.

One of them is a written statement from a coach that he's in. The other is formal letter.

Good try but didn't cut the mustard.

If your kid is being recruited by one of the schools for a sport to the point that he's getting a written statement promising admissions, he is not seriously looking at Swarthmore.

Why so angry? I just answered the question for this chain. Sorry if you don't like my son's options and choices. Go talk to him. He'll make the decision. Not me.

How can your son be pretty sure he’s going to Swarthmore when he couldn’t have applied ED as he applied to Penn ED?

He didn't apply ED anywhere.

And he hasn't heard yet from Swarthmore. Applied regular decision.

So you know for sure he’s in at two Ivy schools even though he didn’t apply early to either? What an amazing coincidence.

Ugh. This is not some unique scenario. He has one formal letter and one written statement from a coach. Neither one requires ED. He isn't breaking any rules. He prefers Swarthmore at the moment because he likes the size and environment. He won't hear though until March, although we are anticipating he will get in and have choices. By the way, a friend of his who graduated last year had heard from either three or four top schools at this point last year. I'm not bragging, but was answering the question on this chain.

Your discussion of how admissions offers for athletes work betrays your story as false. DD was recruited this Fall by Penn, a highly ranked state flagship and two other selective division 1 schools. She ended up choosing the state flagship bc she is v. dedicated to her sport and loved the coaches, team, etc. at the Flagship.

Here is the how it happens: After visiting, the Penn coach offered her a spot on the team and told her he ran her academic profile (GPA, ACT) by the admissions dept and that she would be admitted. She could accept the offer with a verbal; once her application was submitted she would get a likely letter right away and a formal admissions decision in mid December with the rest of the pool. However the timeline for accepting the coach's offer was late September, early October. The coaches do NOT give out promises of admission and then sit back and wait to hear from the student in March. Further, you do not get the written likely letter until you apply, and for Penn once you apply ED you cant apply anywhere else. After she told Penn of her decision to go to the other school, another kid who plays the same position as her announced their commitment to Penn with a few weeks. Coaches move on fast or else they wont be able to field a competitive team.

You should clarify that this is how it happened for your daughter. No reason to try to univesalize what is an idiosyncratic process.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.

One of them is a written statement from a coach that he's in. The other is formal letter.

Good try but didn't cut the mustard.

If your kid is being recruited by one of the schools for a sport to the point that he's getting a written statement promising admissions, he is not seriously looking at Swarthmore.

Why so angry? I just answered the question for this chain. Sorry if you don't like my son's options and choices. Go talk to him. He'll make the decision. Not me.

How can your son be pretty sure he’s going to Swarthmore when he couldn’t have applied ED as he applied to Penn ED?

He didn't apply ED anywhere.

And he hasn't heard yet from Swarthmore. Applied regular decision.

So you know for sure he’s in at two Ivy schools even though he didn’t apply early to either? What an amazing coincidence.

Ugh. This is not some unique scenario. He has one formal letter and one written statement from a coach. Neither one requires ED. He isn't breaking any rules. He prefers Swarthmore at the moment because he likes the size and environment. He won't hear though until March, although we are anticipating he will get in and have choices. By the way, a friend of his who graduated last year had heard from either three or four top schools at this point last year. I'm not bragging, but was answering the question on this chain.

Your discussion of how admissions offers for athletes work betrays your story as false. DD was recruited this Fall by Penn, a highly ranked state flagship and two other selective division 1 schools. She ended up choosing the state flagship bc she is v. dedicated to her sport and loved the coaches, team, etc. at the Flagship.

Here is the how it happens: After visiting, the Penn coach offered her a spot on the team and told her he ran her academic profile (GPA, ACT) by the admissions dept and that she would be admitted. She could accept the offer with a verbal; once her application was submitted she would get a likely letter right away and a formal admissions decision in mid December with the rest of the pool. However the timeline for accepting the coach's offer was late September, early October. The coaches do NOT give out promises of admission and then sit back and wait to hear from the student in March. Further, you do not get the written likely letter until you apply, and for Penn once you apply ED you cant apply anywhere else. After she told Penn of her decision to go to the other school, another kid who plays the same position as her announced their commitment to Penn with a few weeks. Coaches move on fast or else they wont be able to field a competitive team.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.

One of them is a written statement from a coach that he's in. The other is formal letter.

Good try but didn't cut the mustard.

If your kid is being recruited by one of the schools for a sport to the point that he's getting a written statement promising admissions, he is not seriously looking at Swarthmore.

Why so angry? I just answered the question for this chain. Sorry if you don't like my son's options and choices. Go talk to him. He'll make the decision. Not me.

How can your son be pretty sure he’s going to Swarthmore when he couldn’t have applied ED as he applied to Penn ED?

He didn't apply ED anywhere.

And he hasn't heard yet from Swarthmore. Applied regular decision.

So you know for sure he’s in at two Ivy schools even though he didn’t apply early to either? What an amazing coincidence.

Ugh. This is not some unique scenario. He has one formal letter and one written statement from a coach. Neither one requires ED. He isn't breaking any rules. He prefers Swarthmore at the moment because he likes the size and environment. He won't hear though until March, although we are anticipating he will get in and have choices. By the way, a friend of his who graduated last year had heard from either three or four top schools at this point last year. I'm not bragging, but was answering the question on this chain.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.

One of them is a written statement from a coach that he's in. The other is formal letter.

Good try but didn't cut the mustard.

If your kid is being recruited by one of the schools for a sport to the point that he's getting a written statement promising admissions, he is not seriously looking at Swarthmore.

Why so angry? I just answered the question for this chain. Sorry if you don't like my son's options and choices. Go talk to him. He'll make the decision. Not me.

How can your son be pretty sure he’s going to Swarthmore when he couldn’t have applied ED as he applied to Penn ED?

He didn't apply ED anywhere.

And he hasn't heard yet from Swarthmore. Applied regular decision.

So you know for sure he’s in at two Ivy schools even though he didn’t apply early to either? What an amazing coincidence.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.

One of them is a written statement from a coach that he's in. The other is formal letter.

Good try but didn't cut the mustard.

If your kid is being recruited by one of the schools for a sport to the point that he's getting a written statement promising admissions, he is not seriously looking at Swarthmore.

Why so angry? I just answered the question for this chain. Sorry if you don't like my son's options and choices. Go talk to him. He'll make the decision. Not me.

How can your son be pretty sure he’s going to Swarthmore when he couldn’t have applied ED as he applied to Penn ED?

He didn't apply ED anywhere.

And he hasn't heard yet from Swarthmore. Applied regular decision.

Anonymous wrote:Based on our suburban public school three years in a row

At most 1% of kids get into a top private. Here are some stats

Rank #3 - White female. Deferred from Stanford. Got into Brown and Duke. Went to state flagship

Rank #2 - Asian female, Applied ED to Penn, went to Penn

Rank #1 - Asian Male. Only got into Cornell and Dartmouth. Went to Dartmouth

Anecdotally, only URM's or diversity cases in our school make it to HYPSM


End of Story.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.

One of them is a written statement from a coach that he's in. The other is formal letter.

Good try but didn't cut the mustard.

If your kid is being recruited by one of the schools for a sport to the point that he's getting a written statement promising admissions, he is not seriously looking at Swarthmore.

Why so angry? I just answered the question for this chain. Sorry if you don't like my son's options and choices. Go talk to him. He'll make the decision. Not me.

How can your son be pretty sure he’s going to Swarthmore when he couldn’t have applied ED as he applied to Penn ED?

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Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.

One of them is a written statement from a coach that he's in. The other is formal letter.

Good try but didn't cut the mustard.

If your kid is being recruited by one of the schools for a sport to the point that he's getting a written statement promising admissions, he is not seriously looking at Swarthmore.

Why so angry? I just answered the question for this chain. Sorry if you don't like my son's options and choices. Go talk to him. He'll make the decision. Not me.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.

One of them is a written statement from a coach that he's in. The other is formal letter.

Good try but didn't cut the mustard.

If your kid is being recruited by one of the schools for a sport to the point that he's getting a written statement promising admissions, he is not seriously looking at Swarthmore.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is in at Princeton and Penn. Waiting on ther others. He's profoundly gifted. We assume he'll get in everywhere, but may head to Swarthmore instead.

Cough cough. BS. Cough cough. Penn is ED.

Exactly - you are not allowed to apply SCEA to Princeton and ED to Penn.