Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 15:18     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
This will be a stain on his record, and he won’t like it.

But his removal from office is still incredibly unlikely.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 15:12     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:we're getting closer

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1181905515493888001

Morning Consult/Politico poll - Do you support impeaching *and* removing Trump?

September 22: 36 yes, 49 no
September 24: 43 yes, 43 no
Today: 50 yes, 43 no.

In just 2.5 weeks, support for removing Trump has surged 20 net points.


Wow!
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 15:05     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
we're getting closer

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1181905515493888001

Morning Consult/Politico poll - Do you support impeaching *and* removing Trump?

September 22: 36 yes, 49 no
September 24: 43 yes, 43 no
Today: 50 yes, 43 no.

In just 2.5 weeks, support for removing Trump has surged 20 net points.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 15:04     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to believe that Senate Rs will impeach Trump, but it's still hard for me to believe that they would also impeach Pence, even though he is just as dirty in the whole UKR mess.

So, my prediction is that Trump will be impeached and removed, Pence will become President and immediately pardon Trump, and Trump will continue to rally the base claiming a coup until he is finally convicted for some NY state tax or financial offense and sent for a minimal jail term.


Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal prosecution. Pence can't pardon him if he's impeached because there is no criminal conviction to be pardoned.


Ford pardoned Nixon.


And that prevented prosecution of Nixon for Watergate-related crimes. It was Nixon's resignation that resulted in the impeachment hearings being closed without a vote.

Me again.

So Pence CAN pardon Trump but that would only prevent criminal prosecution. It would not undo impeachment, would not reinstate him into office, and would not overturn a Senate vote preventing Trump from ever holding office again. Personally I would put the likelihood of impeachment at about 50%, the likelihood of removal from office at about 20%, and the likelihood of criminal prosecution about 1% even without a pardon on the table.





Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 15:00     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to believe that Senate Rs will impeach Trump, but it's still hard for me to believe that they would also impeach Pence, even though he is just as dirty in the whole UKR mess.

So, my prediction is that Trump will be impeached and removed, Pence will become President and immediately pardon Trump, and Trump will continue to rally the base claiming a coup until he is finally convicted for some NY state tax or financial offense and sent for a minimal jail term.


Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal prosecution. Pence can't pardon him if he's impeached because there is no criminal conviction to be pardoned.


Ford pardoned Nixon.


And that prevented prosecution of Nixon for Watergate-related crimes. It was Nixon's resignation that resulted in the impeachment hearings being closed without a vote.




Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 14:57     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How about using the election process?


How about both? How about honoring the oath to uphold the Constitution?


this

dude, the man is a walking impeachable offense. They are completely shirking their constitutional duties if they DON'T have an impeachment process and wherever that may lead.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 14:46     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:How about using the election process?


How about both? How about honoring the oath to uphold the Constitution?
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 14:45     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to believe that Senate Rs will impeach Trump, but it's still hard for me to believe that they would also impeach Pence, even though he is just as dirty in the whole UKR mess.

So, my prediction is that Trump will be impeached and removed, Pence will become President and immediately pardon Trump, and Trump will continue to rally the base claiming a coup until he is finally convicted for some NY state tax or financial offense and sent for a minimal jail term.


Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal prosecution. Pence can't pardon him if he's impeached because there is no criminal conviction to be pardoned.


Ford pardoned Nixon.


Trump can't be pardoned from impeachment - to the best of my knowledge, there is no impeachment "pardon" - but Pence could pardon him from any federal crimes, as Ford did for Nixon

Someone here is being incredibly pedantic and/or pretending not to understand what PP meant
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 14:45     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to believe that Senate Rs will impeach Trump, but it's still hard for me to believe that they would also impeach Pence, even though he is just as dirty in the whole UKR mess.

So, my prediction is that Trump will be impeached and removed, Pence will become President and immediately pardon Trump, and Trump will continue to rally the base claiming a coup until he is finally convicted for some NY state tax or financial offense and sent for a minimal jail term.


Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal prosecution. Pence can't pardon him if he's impeached because there is no criminal conviction to be pardoned.


Ford pardoned Nixon.


Nixon resigned before he could be impeached.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 14:43     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to believe that Senate Rs will impeach Trump, but it's still hard for me to believe that they would also impeach Pence, even though he is just as dirty in the whole UKR mess.

So, my prediction is that Trump will be impeached and removed, Pence will become President and immediately pardon Trump, and Trump will continue to rally the base claiming a coup until he is finally convicted for some NY state tax or financial offense and sent for a minimal jail term.


Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal prosecution. Pence can't pardon him if he's impeached because there is no criminal conviction to be pardoned.


Ford pardoned Nixon.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 14:35     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to believe that Senate Rs will impeach Trump, but it's still hard for me to believe that they would also impeach Pence, even though he is just as dirty in the whole UKR mess.

So, my prediction is that Trump will be impeached and removed, Pence will become President and immediately pardon Trump, and Trump will continue to rally the base claiming a coup until he is finally convicted for some NY state tax or financial offense and sent for a minimal jail term.


Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal prosecution. Pence can't pardon him if he's impeached because there is no criminal conviction to be pardoned.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 14:32     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?

I was hoping last week that Fox News and Senate Republicans might eventually separate from Trump, but I am not sanguine this week. They are really circling the wagons.

The really bad news is Syria. That is more terrible than any recent domestic event.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 14:28     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
How about using the election process?
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 13:00     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to believe that Senate Rs will impeach Trump, but it's still hard for me to believe that they would also impeach Pence, even though he is just as dirty in the whole UKR mess.

So, my prediction is that Trump will be impeached and removed, Pence will become President and immediately pardon Trump, and Trump will continue to rally the base claiming a coup until he is finally convicted for some NY state tax or financial offense and sent for a minimal jail term.


McConnell is raising money on the idea that Trump will not be removed.

Even if Trump pardons Trump, Trump is still exposed to NY State prosecution. He won't accept that.

We are stuck with him until McConnell is removed.
Anonymous
Post 10/09/2019 12:38     Subject: Resignation, Impeachment, or Mortality?
Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to believe that Senate Rs will impeach Trump, but it's still hard for me to believe that they would also impeach Pence, even though he is just as dirty in the whole UKR mess.

So, my prediction is that Trump will be impeached and removed, Pence will become President and immediately pardon Trump, and Trump will continue to rally the base claiming a coup until he is finally convicted for some NY state tax or financial offense and sent for a minimal jail term.


You can't "pardon" and impeachment. But your story is still a good one.