Anonymous
06/22/2018 16:24
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/fairfax/11-ms-13-gang-members-charged-in-connection-with-murders-of-2-juveniles/65-566662162
In August 2016, Elmer Zelaya Martinez, Erick Palacios Ruiz, Ronald Herrera Contreras, and Josue Vigil Meija brought a 17-year-old male to Holmes Run park and killed him. They believed the male was a member of a rival gang, the office of the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia stated in a press release. After the murder, the four people and their co-conspirators involved tried to hide evidence linking them to the case. They buried the juvenile's remains.
In September 2016, Elmer Zelaya Martinez, Erick Palacios Ruiz, Ronald Herrera Contreras, Henry Zelaya Martinez, Oscar Contreras Aguilar, Yonathan Melgar Martinez, Pablo Miguel Barrera Velasco, Anderson Villatoro, Francisco Avila Avalos, and Fredys Baires Abarca brought a 14-year-old male to the same park in Fairfax County and killed him because they thought he was involved with law enforcement. Officials said this juvenile's remains were also buried.
Very sad. Along with the THOUSANDS of other murders unrelated to MS-13.
Fear mongers.
Anonymous
06/22/2018 15:07
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/fairfax/11-ms-13-gang-members-charged-in-connection-with-murders-of-2-juveniles/65-566662162
In August 2016, Elmer Zelaya Martinez, Erick Palacios Ruiz, Ronald Herrera Contreras, and Josue Vigil Meija brought a 17-year-old male to Holmes Run park and killed him. They believed the male was a member of a rival gang, the office of the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia stated in a press release. After the murder, the four people and their co-conspirators involved tried to hide evidence linking them to the case. They buried the juvenile's remains.
In September 2016, Elmer Zelaya Martinez, Erick Palacios Ruiz, Ronald Herrera Contreras, Henry Zelaya Martinez, Oscar Contreras Aguilar, Yonathan Melgar Martinez, Pablo Miguel Barrera Velasco, Anderson Villatoro, Francisco Avila Avalos, and Fredys Baires Abarca brought a 14-year-old male to the same park in Fairfax County and killed him because they thought he was involved with law enforcement. Officials said this juvenile's remains were also buried.
OMG. Two of these are my former students.
Anonymous
06/22/2018 15:01
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/fairfax/11-ms-13-gang-members-charged-in-connection-with-murders-of-2-juveniles/65-566662162
In August 2016, Elmer Zelaya Martinez, Erick Palacios Ruiz, Ronald Herrera Contreras, and Josue Vigil Meija brought a 17-year-old male to Holmes Run park and killed him. They believed the male was a member of a rival gang, the office of the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia stated in a press release. After the murder, the four people and their co-conspirators involved tried to hide evidence linking them to the case. They buried the juvenile's remains.
In September 2016, Elmer Zelaya Martinez, Erick Palacios Ruiz, Ronald Herrera Contreras, Henry Zelaya Martinez, Oscar Contreras Aguilar, Yonathan Melgar Martinez, Pablo Miguel Barrera Velasco, Anderson Villatoro, Francisco Avila Avalos, and Fredys Baires Abarca brought a 14-year-old male to the same park in Fairfax County and killed him because they thought he was involved with law enforcement. Officials said this juvenile's remains were also buried.
In August 2016, Elmer Zelaya Martinez, Erick Palacios Ruiz, Ronald Herrera Contreras, and Josue Vigil Meija brought a 17-year-old male to Holmes Run park and killed him. They believed the male was a member of a rival gang, the office of the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia stated in a press release. After the murder, the four people and their co-conspirators involved tried to hide evidence linking them to the case. They buried the juvenile's remains.
In September 2016, Elmer Zelaya Martinez, Erick Palacios Ruiz, Ronald Herrera Contreras, Henry Zelaya Martinez, Oscar Contreras Aguilar, Yonathan Melgar Martinez, Pablo Miguel Barrera Velasco, Anderson Villatoro, Francisco Avila Avalos, and Fredys Baires Abarca brought a 14-year-old male to the same park in Fairfax County and killed him because they thought he was involved with law enforcement. Officials said this juvenile's remains were also buried.
Anonymous
06/22/2018 09:22
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:open border policy can be (which is essentially what we have had for the last 10 years)
Open Door Policy?
Then why has immigration DROPPED over the last 10 years?
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/25/as-mexican-share-declined-u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-fell-in-2015-below-recession-level/
Because the US sucks now? Mostly we bring in illegal immigrants and remind them that they don’t belong here so that we can grossly under pay them while having them work long hours in boring, dangerous , physically demanding or gruesome jobs. The point isn’t altruism but for corporations to enrich themselves and their stock holders, for us to be able to buy cheap ‘stuff’ and food and for cheap services for rich people like landscaping.
A meat packing plant in Ohio was just cleared of it’s illegal immigrant work force. Guess they’ll have to start paying workers market rates ( which will be high) or to import visa workers.
http://www.newsweek.com/ice-arrests-146-undocumented-immigrants-ohio-meat-packing-plants-986414
But were the employers/company owners charged?? It said in the article there was evidence that they knowingly hired undocumented workers, but I did t see anything about ramifications for doing so. That is something that has to be fixed- if there are not severe enough consequences for employers who break the law there will continue to be demand for illegal workers. Cut off the demand and you reduce the supply.
Anonymous
06/22/2018 07:54
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:open border policy can be (which is essentially what we have had for the last 10 years)
Open Door Policy?
Then why has immigration DROPPED over the last 10 years?
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/25/as-mexican-share-declined-u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-fell-in-2015-below-recession-level/
Because the US sucks now? Mostly we bring in illegal immigrants and remind them that they don’t belong here so that we can grossly under pay them while having them work long hours in boring, dangerous , physically demanding or gruesome jobs. The point isn’t altruism but for corporations to enrich themselves and their stock holders, for us to be able to buy cheap ‘stuff’ and food and for cheap services for rich people like landscaping.
A meat packing plant in Ohio was just cleared of it’s illegal immigrant work force. Guess they’ll have to start paying workers market rates ( which will be high) or to import visa workers.
http://www.newsweek.com/ice-arrests-146-undocumented-immigrants-ohio-meat-packing-plants-986414
Anonymous
06/22/2018 07:21
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
LOL
Anonymous
06/19/2018 21:40
Subject: MS-13 in local schools
Interesting. Not I expect Trump or his supporters to listen to facts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?hpid=hp_no-name_rhp-card-national%3Ahomepage%2Fcard&utm_term=.52ffec1aa109
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?hpid=hp_no-name_rhp-card-national%3Ahomepage%2Fcard&utm_term=.52ffec1aa109
Anonymous
06/19/2018 21:36
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
open border policy can be (which is essentially what we have had for the last 10 years)
Open Door Policy?
Then why has immigration DROPPED over the last 10 years?
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/25/as-mexican-share-declined-u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-fell-in-2015-below-recession-level/
Anonymous
06/19/2018 21:30
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:0.6% according to ICE:
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id
Not even 1%.
796 MS-13 out of 143,470 ICE arrests in 2017
|
+ ----> 0.6% of ICE arrests
56 MS-13 out of 41,400 unaccompanied minors in 2017
|
+ ----> 0.6% of unnaccompanied minors
Let's assign a very generous 1000 homicides to MS-13 out of 17,793 total homicides in the US in 2017 (# is probably closer to 100)
|
+ ----> 0.6% of US homicides
MS-13 is a problem, but it's not nearly as huge as Trump wants you to believe. Suckers.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/feb/07/donald-trump/immigration-ms-13-and-crime-facts-behind-donald-tr
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
MS-14 still not our biggest problem. Just a convenient boogeyman.
It is a symptom of a bigger problem - illegal immigration. It demonstrates how deadly an open border policy can be (which is essentially what we have had for the last 10 years).
How deadly is it though? <1% of homicides. I think if you were really worried about homicides you’d focus on the big hitters. Not a handful of deaths. Mostly inter-gang violence.
But you’re not worried about homicides and violence. You just want a boogeyman to hate.
I think all gangs and violence should be targeted. But, when we talk about the violence in places like Chicago and Baltimore, we get scolded around here.
These guys are particularly gruesome. Violent. And, they recruit from our schools.
Yes, that’s the core message of the propaganda: “they are coming after your kids!!!!!”
Anonymous
06/19/2018 21:05
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:0.6% according to ICE:
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id
Not even 1%.
796 MS-13 out of 143,470 ICE arrests in 2017
|
+ ----> 0.6% of ICE arrests
56 MS-13 out of 41,400 unaccompanied minors in 2017
|
+ ----> 0.6% of unnaccompanied minors
Let's assign a very generous 1000 homicides to MS-13 out of 17,793 total homicides in the US in 2017 (# is probably closer to 100)
|
+ ----> 0.6% of US homicides
MS-13 is a problem, but it's not nearly as huge as Trump wants you to believe. Suckers.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/feb/07/donald-trump/immigration-ms-13-and-crime-facts-behind-donald-tr
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
MS-14 still not our biggest problem. Just a convenient boogeyman.
It is a symptom of a bigger problem - illegal immigration. It demonstrates how deadly an open border policy can be (which is essentially what we have had for the last 10 years).
How deadly is it though? <1% of homicides. I think if you were really worried about homicides you’d focus on the big hitters. Not a handful of deaths. Mostly inter-gang violence.
But you’re not worried about homicides and violence. You just want a boogeyman to hate.
I think all gangs and violence should be targeted. But, when we talk about the violence in places like Chicago and Baltimore, we get scolded around here.
These guys are particularly gruesome. Violent. And, they recruit from our schools.
Anonymous
06/19/2018 20:47
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:0.6% according to ICE:
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id
Not even 1%.
796 MS-13 out of 143,470 ICE arrests in 2017
|
+ ----> 0.6% of ICE arrests
56 MS-13 out of 41,400 unaccompanied minors in 2017
|
+ ----> 0.6% of unnaccompanied minors
Let's assign a very generous 1000 homicides to MS-13 out of 17,793 total homicides in the US in 2017 (# is probably closer to 100)
|
+ ----> 0.6% of US homicides
MS-13 is a problem, but it's not nearly as huge as Trump wants you to believe. Suckers.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/feb/07/donald-trump/immigration-ms-13-and-crime-facts-behind-donald-tr
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
MS-14 still not our biggest problem. Just a convenient boogeyman.
It is a symptom of a bigger problem - illegal immigration. It demonstrates how deadly an open border policy can be (which is essentially what we have had for the last 10 years).
How deadly is it though? <1% of homicides. I think if you were really worried about homicides you’d focus on the big hitters. Not a handful of deaths. Mostly inter-gang violence.
But you’re not worried about homicides and violence. You just want a boogeyman to hate.
Anonymous
06/19/2018 20:07
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:0.6% according to ICE:
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id
Not even 1%.
796 MS-13 out of 143,470 ICE arrests in 2017
|
+ ----> 0.6% of ICE arrests
56 MS-13 out of 41,400 unaccompanied minors in 2017
|
+ ----> 0.6% of unnaccompanied minors
Let's assign a very generous 1000 homicides to MS-13 out of 17,793 total homicides in the US in 2017 (# is probably closer to 100)
|
+ ----> 0.6% of US homicides
MS-13 is a problem, but it's not nearly as huge as Trump wants you to believe. Suckers.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/feb/07/donald-trump/immigration-ms-13-and-crime-facts-behind-donald-tr
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
MS-14 still not our biggest problem. Just a convenient boogeyman.
It is a symptom of a bigger problem - illegal immigration. It demonstrates how deadly an open border policy can be (which is essentially what we have had for the last 10 years).
Anonymous
06/19/2018 19:47
Subject: Re:MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:0.6% according to ICE:
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id
Not even 1%.
796 MS-13 out of 143,470 ICE arrests in 2017
|
+ ----> 0.6% of ICE arrests
56 MS-13 out of 41,400 unaccompanied minors in 2017
|
+ ----> 0.6% of unnaccompanied minors
Let's assign a very generous 1000 homicides to MS-13 out of 17,793 total homicides in the US in 2017 (# is probably closer to 100)
|
+ ----> 0.6% of US homicides
MS-13 is a problem, but it's not nearly as huge as Trump wants you to believe. Suckers.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/dhs-announces-progress-enforcing-immigration-laws-protecting-americans#wcm-survey-target-id
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/feb/07/donald-trump/immigration-ms-13-and-crime-facts-behind-donald-tr
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
MS-14 still not our biggest problem. Just a convenient boogeyman.
Anonymous
06/19/2018 19:43
Subject: MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:Trying to limit LEGAL immigration:
https://www.npr.org/2017/08/02/541104795/trump-to-unveil-legislation-limiting-legal-immigration
You are a focking idiot.
Good. Whatever he does to limit or increase immigration, at least it'll be done via the proper channels as mandated by our country's laws and processes. The lawlessness at the border needed to end yesterday.
Illegal immigration is THE issue that got Trump elected and you Liberals are still digging in your heels about it. This level of unfettered border crossing is completely unsustainable and you're not going to win. Meanwhile, our local schools are going to shit, precipitous decline in the last 10 years and there is no way your name calling and other liberal hypocritical BS is going to stop people from taking note and doing something about it.
Deport the illegals and we can talk about legal immigration levels.
Anonymous
06/19/2018 19:42
Subject: MS-13 in local schools
Anonymous wrote:Trying to limit LEGAL immigration:
https://www.npr.org/2017/08/02/541104795/trump-to-unveil-legislation-limiting-legal-immigration
You are a focking idiot.
Limiting legal immigration and being anti-immigration are two different things. But, you know that, don’t you? You’re not that dumb.
From the article you linked:
"Their bill would do three things: First, limit the number of foreign nationals who are able to get green cards to reunite with their families already in the U.S. — currently the largest category of legal immigrants; second, cut the number of refugees in half; third, eliminate the diversity visa lottery — a program that gives visas to countries with low rates of immigration to the United States.
"Cotton says the number of green cards awarded each year — about a million — is excessive.
" 'In one year, this would reduce it to around 600,000,' Cotton says. 'Over the span of the 10-year window, it would fall to about 500,000.' "
Trump said the measure "will reduce poverty, increase wages and save taxpayers billions and billions of dollars." The current system, Trump said, "has not been fair to our people, to our citizens, to our workers." He said the new system would favor applicants "who can speak English, financially support themselves and their families, and demonstrate skills that will contribute to our economy." It would also prevent new arrivals from collecting welfare.
What, specifically, is wrong with this? How is this “anti-immigration?”