Anonymous
02/09/2018 08:17
Subject: AAP appeal declined
A lot of FCPS students prep too. Are they going to start discounting all of those scores? I would expect the WISC to be the gold standard, since if the psychologist sees any sign of prepping, it would be included in the score report.
Anonymous
02/09/2018 08:03
Subject: AAP appeal declined
But this child was above the cutoff in everything, including the WISC.
Anonymous
02/09/2018 08:02
Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op here
Got a call today from the coordinator
- she said many communities prepare for NNAT and cogat so they want to see samples showing critical thinking
The coordinator actually said that? She more or less said that they're discounting all test results, including WISC, due to the possibility of prepping?
Check what you quoted. OP never reported that the coordinator said that families prep for the WISC or that it was discounted. Also remember that you’re only hearing one side of the conversation on an anonymous board. Not saying that OP is lying. Just that there are always several ways to interpret the same event.
Clearly the WISC was discounted. The child had solid WISC scores that were ignored because "communities prep for the NNAT and CogAT." I'm guessing OP is in one of the communities referenced by the FCPS employee, so it is clear that FCPS is now profiling based on ethnicity/race to determine whether high scores are believable. SMH.
It seems that 160 was such an outlier that FCPS didn't believe it.
Anonymous
02/09/2018 07:41
Subject: AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:This makes no sense at all. Work samples from private school shouldn't matter much at all, since they have no way to make sure that the sample is the child's independent work. Parent supplied work samples should be meaningless, since the panel has no way of knowing how much the parent helped. If you're coming from private school or out of state, test scores are the only reasonable thing to use for admission.
Basically, if you’re coming from a private school, you’re screwed, then. Especially if you’re Asian. They don’t believe anything you submit.
Anonymous
02/09/2018 07:24
Subject: AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:This makes no sense at all. Work samples from private school shouldn't matter much at all, since they have no way to make sure that the sample is the child's independent work. Parent supplied work samples should be meaningless, since the panel has no way of knowing how much the parent helped. If you're coming from private school or out of state, test scores are the only reasonable thing to use for admission.
+1
Anonymous
02/09/2018 07:22
Subject: AAP appeal declined
This makes no sense at all. Work samples from private school shouldn't matter much at all, since they have no way to make sure that the sample is the child's independent work. Parent supplied work samples should be meaningless, since the panel has no way of knowing how much the parent helped. If you're coming from private school or out of state, test scores are the only reasonable thing to use for admission.
Anonymous
02/09/2018 07:20
Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op here
Got a call today from the coordinator
- she said many communities prepare for NNAT and cogat so they want to see samples showing critical thinking
The coordinator actually said that? She more or less said that they're discounting all test results, including WISC, due to the possibility of prepping?
Check what you quoted. OP never reported that the coordinator said that families prep for the WISC or that it was discounted. Also remember that you’re only hearing one side of the conversation on an anonymous board. Not saying that OP is lying. Just that there are always several ways to interpret the same event.
Clearly the WISC was discounted. The child had solid WISC scores that were ignored because "communities prep for the NNAT and CogAT." I'm guessing OP is in one of the communities referenced by the FCPS employee, so it is clear that FCPS is now profiling based on ethnicity/race to determine whether high scores are believable. SMH.
Anonymous
02/09/2018 07:10
Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, if you are Asian (and your kid has an Asian sounding name) they are basically racially profiling your child and assuming you prepped. That's what the "some communities" means. The fact that they totally discounted the WISC is also crazy. If you are Asian, I'd write a letter to the superintendent stating what the person told you and saying you think they are illegally using racial biases in the selection process. You have nothing to lose at this point.
Why assume Asian? Let’s talk Indians. They prep like hell.
In this country, the official definition of Asian includes Indians. Look at the FCPS categories or the census definition. I meant the all inclusive definition.
Anonymous
02/09/2018 05:40
Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op here
Got a call today from the coordinator
- she said many communities prepare for NNAT and cogat so they want to see samples showing critical thinking
The coordinator actually said that? She more or less said that they're discounting all test results, including WISC, due to the possibility of prepping?
Check what you quoted. OP never reported that the coordinator said that families prep for the WISC or that it was discounted. Also remember that you’re only hearing one side of the conversation on an anonymous board. Not saying that OP is lying. Just that there are always several ways to interpret the same event.
Anonymous
02/09/2018 01:15
Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:Op here Thanks for the responses
I called the local AART when the original application was rejected. She suggested WISC as she could not say why it was rejected
Will call her again on the appeal decision
His current school did an info session on AAP and all his classmates applied at the same time so I guess timing not an issue
I'm kind of surprised that there is a private school that has info sessions on how to leave the school. Do all the smart kids leave after second grade? Do they take in new kids in the grade after the smart kids leave for AAP?
I'm sure you don't want to give the name of the school, OP, but what kind of a private school does this?
Anonymous
02/09/2018 00:09
Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's irrelevant if she prepped. You can't bring a 100 to a 160, no matter the prepping.
With a smart kid? Sure you can.
He's probably not starting from a 100, but so much of the NNAT (especially) and even the WISC can be prepped. And there are families who seriously drill their kids for these exams, so I'm not surprised if the AAP board is starting to be skeptical.
With a smart kid! Exactly! If the kid is smart, he's smart already!
Anonymous
02/08/2018 23:12
Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:OP, if you are Asian (and your kid has an Asian sounding name) they are basically racially profiling your child and assuming you prepped. That's what the "some communities" means. The fact that they totally discounted the WISC is also crazy. If you are Asian, I'd write a letter to the superintendent stating what the person told you and saying you think they are illegally using racial biases in the selection process. You have nothing to lose at this point.
They don't need to guess that a last name. Ethnicity information is on the form.
Anonymous
02/08/2018 22:49
Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:OP, if you are Asian (and your kid has an Asian sounding name) they are basically racially profiling your child and assuming you prepped. That's what the "some communities" means. The fact that they totally discounted the WISC is also crazy. If you are Asian, I'd write a letter to the superintendent stating what the person told you and saying you think they are illegally using racial biases in the selection process. You have nothing to lose at this point.
Why assume Asian? Let’s talk Indians. They prep like hell.
Anonymous
02/08/2018 22:45
Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
OP, if you are Asian (and your kid has an Asian sounding name) they are basically racially profiling your child and assuming you prepped. That's what the "some communities" means. The fact that they totally discounted the WISC is also crazy. If you are Asian, I'd write a letter to the superintendent stating what the person told you and saying you think they are illegally using racial biases in the selection process. You have nothing to lose at this point.
Anonymous
02/08/2018 22:02
Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:It's irrelevant if she prepped. You can't bring a 100 to a 160, no matter the prepping.
With a smart kid? Sure you can.
He's probably not starting from a 100, but so much of the NNAT (especially) and even the WISC can be prepped. And there are families who seriously drill their kids for these exams, so I'm not surprised if the AAP board is starting to be skeptical.