As a hiring manager in consulting, our firm asks for sat/gmat/act/gre scores when we hire from top schools.

There is definitely a big gap between urms and Jews/asians from the same school when I view both during recruiting season

Anonymous wrote:Could admissions be arranged to be proportionate and reflective of the total US population?

So what are you saying? Since Jews make up 2% of the population! we should make sure we have no more than 2% of them I n med school or law school? You don't think that academic records and test scores should count for anything?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is truly stunning and saddening.

OP, your title should more accurately read "...anti-white male affirmative action policies". 16 pages in and no one seems to realize that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are in fact women, specifically white women. It is the main reason why women now out-number men on college campuses.

But sure let's all keep focusing on what Jamal is "taking from" Jim. SMH. Do Jim's parents realize that their DD Becky is a beneficiary of AA as well? Or are they too busy worrying about "reverse racism"?

Perhaps this explains why Becky voted for Trump et al. She's too concerned with keeping Jamal out to realize she's hurting herself.

The idea that white women are the main beneficiaries of AA is a very popular myth these days. I hear people say it a lot, but I rarely see it backed up with evidence. Maybe it depends on what definition of AA we are using? If white women are the primary beneficiaries of AA, then how much is it really helping the African Americans for whom it is apparently so important?

Affirmative action is not a HARD FORMULA applied every time to every situation every year. There are no hard and fast rules and it changes its shape ever so slightly based on the application pool, scores etc. And it doesn't prefer anyone over the other based on race or gender using a hard formula either. But overall affirmative action tries to create a pool that reflects America without overly favoring one factor alone. If it is purely admission test scores the top schools should look over 50% asian BUT it doesn't. If it is purely based on sports achievement it would have fewer asians and so forth.

I recognize that AA can have many different meanings to many different people. But I have a feeling Trump is specifically talking about race-based preferences.

What do you mean "AA can have have many different meaning to many different people"? It is not different to different people. The admission rate can be different for different groups based on how AA is applied. Trump/Bannon/Miller/Sessions are all in this together to create wedge issue to divide white people from non-whites and get them to voting for him.

I mean precisely what I said. There is no single definition upon which everyone will agree.

In this case, however, we know that Trump et al are specifically referring to race-based preferences in school admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is truly stunning and saddening.

OP, your title should more accurately read "...anti-white male affirmative action policies". 16 pages in and no one seems to realize that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are in fact women, specifically white women. It is the main reason why women now out-number men on college campuses.

But sure let's all keep focusing on what Jamal is "taking from" Jim. SMH. Do Jim's parents realize that their DD Becky is a beneficiary of AA as well? Or are they too busy worrying about "reverse racism"?

Perhaps this explains why Becky voted for Trump et al. She's too concerned with keeping Jamal out to realize she's hurting herself.

The idea that white women are the main beneficiaries of AA is a very popular myth these days. I hear people say it a lot, but I rarely see it backed up with evidence. Maybe it depends on what definition of AA we are using? If white women are the primary beneficiaries of AA, then how much is it really helping the African Americans for whom it is apparently so important?

Affirmative action is not a HARD FORMULA applied every time to every situation every year. There are no hard and fast rules and it changes its shape ever so slightly based on the application pool, scores etc. And it doesn't prefer anyone over the other based on race or gender using a hard formula either. But overall affirmative action tries to create a pool that reflects America without overly favoring one factor alone. If it is purely admission test scores the top schools should look over 50% asian BUT it doesn't. If it is purely based on sports achievement it would have fewer asians and so forth.

I recognize that AA can have many different meanings to many different people. But I have a feeling Trump is specifically talking about race-based preferences.

What do you mean "AA can have have many different meaning to many different people"? It is not different to different people. The admission rate can be different for different groups based on how AA is applied. Trump/Bannon/Miller/Sessions are all in this together to create wedge issue to divide white people from non-whites and get them to voting for him.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is truly stunning and saddening.

OP, your title should more accurately read "...anti-white male affirmative action policies". 16 pages in and no one seems to realize that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are in fact women, specifically white women. It is the main reason why women now out-number men on college campuses.

But sure let's all keep focusing on what Jamal is "taking from" Jim. SMH. Do Jim's parents realize that their DD Becky is a beneficiary of AA as well? Or are they too busy worrying about "reverse racism"?

Perhaps this explains why Becky voted for Trump et al. She's too concerned with keeping Jamal out to realize she's hurting herself.

The idea that white women are the main beneficiaries of AA is a very popular myth these days. I hear people say it a lot, but I rarely see it backed up with evidence. Maybe it depends on what definition of AA we are using? If white women are the primary beneficiaries of AA, then how much is it really helping the African Americans for whom it is apparently so important?

Affirmative action is not a HARD FORMULA applied every time to every situation every year. There are no hard and fast rules and it changes its shape ever so slightly based on the application pool, scores etc. And it doesn't prefer anyone over the other based on race or gender using a hard formula either. But overall affirmative action tries to create a pool that reflects America without overly favoring one factor alone. If it is purely admission test scores the top schools should look over 50% asian BUT it doesn't. If it is purely based on sports achievement it would have fewer asians and so forth.

I recognize that AA can have many different meanings to many different people. But I have a feeling Trump is specifically talking about race-based preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is truly stunning and saddening.

OP, your title should more accurately read "...anti-white male affirmative action policies". 16 pages in and no one seems to realize that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are in fact women, specifically white women. It is the main reason why women now out-number men on college campuses.

But sure let's all keep focusing on what Jamal is "taking from" Jim. SMH. Do Jim's parents realize that their DD Becky is a beneficiary of AA as well? Or are they too busy worrying about "reverse racism"?

Perhaps this explains why Becky voted for Trump et al. She's too concerned with keeping Jamal out to realize she's hurting herself.

The idea that white women are the main beneficiaries of AA is a very popular myth these days. I hear people say it a lot, but I rarely see it backed up with evidence. Maybe it depends on what definition of AA we are using? If white women are the primary beneficiaries of AA, then how much is it really helping the African Americans for whom it is apparently so important?

Myth? You should probably do some research into the evolution of AA programs. Focus primarily on the FACT that an early criticism of AA was that employers hired women and minorities at lower pay than White men were making and blamed it on AA.

Ask yourself why women (including White women) are STILL paid less than similarly situated men.

If it's a fact that white women are the primary beneficiaries, then why do I need to do research? Why can't you just back up your assertion with evidence?

Anyway, if white women are the primary beneficiaries, then I say that's even MORE reason to scrap the whole thing. White women don't need any special advantages.

Could admissions be arranged to be proportionate and reflective of the total US population?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is truly stunning and saddening.

OP, your title should more accurately read "...anti-white male affirmative action policies". 16 pages in and no one seems to realize that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are in fact women, specifically white women. It is the main reason why women now out-number men on college campuses.

But sure let's all keep focusing on what Jamal is "taking from" Jim. SMH. Do Jim's parents realize that their DD Becky is a beneficiary of AA as well? Or are they too busy worrying about "reverse racism"?

Perhaps this explains why Becky voted for Trump et al. She's too concerned with keeping Jamal out to realize she's hurting herself.

The idea that white women are the main beneficiaries of AA is a very popular myth these days. I hear people say it a lot, but I rarely see it backed up with evidence. Maybe it depends on what definition of AA we are using? If white women are the primary beneficiaries of AA, then how much is it really helping the African Americans for whom it is apparently so important?

Affirmative action is not a HARD FORMULA applied every time to every situation every year. There are no hard and fast rules and it changes its shape ever so slightly based on the application pool, scores etc. And it doesn't prefer anyone over the other based on race or gender using a hard formula either. But overall affirmative action tries to create a pool that reflects America without overly favoring one factor alone. If it is purely admission test scores the top schools should look over 50% asian BUT it doesn't. If it is purely based on sports achievement it would have fewer asians and so forth.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is truly stunning and saddening.

OP, your title should more accurately read "...anti-white male affirmative action policies". 16 pages in and no one seems to realize that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are in fact women, specifically white women. It is the main reason why women now out-number men on college campuses.

But sure let's all keep focusing on what Jamal is "taking from" Jim. SMH. Do Jim's parents realize that their DD Becky is a beneficiary of AA as well? Or are they too busy worrying about "reverse racism"?

Perhaps this explains why Becky voted for Trump et al. She's too concerned with keeping Jamal out to realize she's hurting herself.

The idea that white women are the main beneficiaries of AA is a very popular myth these days. I hear people say it a lot, but I rarely see it backed up with evidence. Maybe it depends on what definition of AA we are using? If white women are the primary beneficiaries of AA, then how much is it really helping the African Americans for whom it is apparently so important?

Myth? You should probably do some research into the evolution of AA programs. Focus primarily on the FACT that an early criticism of AA was that employers hired women and minorities at lower pay than White men were making and blamed it on AA.

Ask yourself why women (including White women) are STILL paid less than similarly situated men.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is truly stunning and saddening.

OP, your title should more accurately read "...anti-white male affirmative action policies". 16 pages in and no one seems to realize that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are in fact women, specifically white women. It is the main reason why women now out-number men on college campuses.

But sure let's all keep focusing on what Jamal is "taking from" Jim. SMH. Do Jim's parents realize that their DD Becky is a beneficiary of AA as well? Or are they too busy worrying about "reverse racism"?

Perhaps this explains why Becky voted for Trump et al. She's too concerned with keeping Jamal out to realize she's hurting herself.

The idea that white women are the main beneficiaries of AA is a very popular myth these days. I hear people say it a lot, but I rarely see it backed up with evidence. Maybe it depends on what definition of AA we are using? If white women are the primary beneficiaries of AA, then how much is it really helping the African Americans for whom it is apparently so important?

This thread is truly stunning and saddening.

OP, your title should more accurately read "...anti-white male affirmative action policies". 16 pages in and no one seems to realize that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are in fact women, specifically white women. It is the main reason why women now out-number men on college campuses.

But sure let's all keep focusing on what Jamal is "taking from" Jim. SMH. Do Jim's parents realize that their DD Becky is a beneficiary of AA as well? Or are they too busy worrying about "reverse racism"?

Perhaps this explains why Becky voted for Trump et al. She's too concerned with keeping Jamal out to realize she's hurting herself.

Anonymous wrote:How about merit based admission? Does that work?

Will merit based admissions work if over 50% of admissions IN TOP 25 schools are taken by 7% of asian americans and jewish Americans?

I'm all for merit admissions, as long as people realize that there's always someone better to take your little Johnny's spot at Harvard/Yale/MIT/*insert prestigious school here*.

Anonymous wrote:How about merit based admission? Does that work?

Sure....now define "merit."

If affirmative action is banned, well, look what's happened in CA and MI. The sky hasn't fallen, chicken littles. And all that college planning for your snowflakes will get a little easier so you can exchange secret high fives. Racists.