Anonymous wrote:How much did everyone lose their first few weeks on phen? What is normal? I don't have a *ton* to lose - probably around 30 pounds, and I'm only down 4 pounds this week, which seems really low to me.

Dr. Anchors told me 2 pounds per week was average.

Went to belite yesterday. Got 15 mg phentermine plus the 5htp cardioba thing, which I'm sure I'm not spelling right. I took the dose at 6:45 this morning. I expected to feel more.....medicated. It's a pretty low dose though--they said they can bump me up to 30 mg if it's not working at my next appt.

It's definitely seemed to have killed my breakfast cravings. I'm still hungry though--not overwhelmingly so, but I do feel hunger.

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Anonymous wrote:How much did everyone lose their first few weeks on phen? What is normal? I don't have a *ton* to lose - probably around 30 pounds, and I'm only down 4 pounds this week, which seems really low to me.

If you go back through the thread, you can see where I posted pretty regular updates on how it was going (starting weight was 161 or 163 I think).

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Anonymous wrote:How much did everyone lose their first few weeks on phen? What is normal? I don't have a *ton* to lose - probably around 30 pounds, and I'm only down 4 pounds this week, which seems really low to me.

If you go back through the thread, you can see where I posted pretty regular updates on how it was going (starting weight was 161 or 163 I think).

How much did everyone lose their first few weeks on phen? What is normal? I don't have a *ton* to lose - probably around 30 pounds, and I'm only down 4 pounds this week, which seems really low to me.

As you eat less, your capacity shrinks. You ever notice after dieting for a while and then having a big meal that you can't eat nearly as much and feel sick sooner?

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Anonymous wrote:m on Qsymia and consume about 1300 calories/day. The point isn't to starve yourself with the help of the pills for two months and then gain it all back when you get off. The point is for the pills to take the edge off so you can learn how to manage healthy eating portions and continue to eat that way when you get off of them. If you are only eating 400-600 calories a day, that is dangerous and I would stop the pills.

Yes, I just wonder how that works in practice once you are faced with hunger again when off the pills. It's much easier to make good choices when hunger isn't a factor.

You develop new habits and a better aware

Last quoted poster, which of the quoted posters are you talking to? If it is the last one, "develop new habits and a better. . . " I have been posting on this thread for about the last two months since starting with Dr. Anchors. Posts including weight updates, answering questions about diet, side effects, exercise.

I actually found this part "The reason fat people are hungry is because they are fat" to be a very helpful explanation of how the pills could help with long term weight loss. Makes sense that once you get your weight down (on the pills) you will not be as hungry even if you are off of them. Thanks to the poster that explained it this way, now it makes sense to me.

That was Dr. Anchor's response when I told him that the more weight I gained the hungrier I stayed. He said, "You are hungry because you are fat. The fat wants to be fed."

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on Qsymia and consume about 1300 calories/day. The point isn't to starve yourself with the help of the pills for two months and then gain it all back when you get off. The point is for the pills to take the edge off so you can learn how to manage healthy eating portions and continue to eat that way when you get off of them. If you are only eating 400-600 calories a day, that is dangerous and I would stop the pills.

Yes, I just wonder how that works in practice once you are faced with hunger again when off the pills. It's much easier to make good choices when hunger isn't a factor.

You develop new habits and a better awareness of what you are eating. You also won't feel hungry as much because you have lost weight. The reason fat people are hungry is because they are fat.

I mean this in the best way possible. This has been a very positive thread about people who are trying their best to lose weight. There has been no judgement and no negativity so far. Please go away. You clearly are not here to help and know nothing about these issues.

Last quoted poster, which of the quoted posters are you talking to? If it is the last one, "develop new habits and a better. . . " I have been posting on this thread for about the last two months since starting with Dr. Anchors. Posts including weight updates, answering questions about diet, side effects, exercise.

I actually found this part "The reason fat people are hungry is because they are fat" to be a very helpful explanation of how the pills could help with long term weight loss. Makes sense that once you get your weight down (on the pills) you will not be as hungry even if you are off of them. Thanks to the poster that explained it this way, now it makes sense to me.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on Qsymia and consume about 1300 calories/day. The point isn't to starve yourself with the help of the pills for two months and then gain it all back when you get off. The point is for the pills to take the edge off so you can learn how to manage healthy eating portions and continue to eat that way when you get off of them. If you are only eating 400-600 calories a day, that is dangerous and I would stop the pills.

Yes, I just wonder how that works in practice once you are faced with hunger again when off the pills. It's much easier to make good choices when hunger isn't a factor.

You develop new habits and a better awareness of what you are eating. You also won't feel hungry as much because you have lost weight. The reason fat people are hungry is because they are fat.

I mean this in the best way possible. This has been a very positive thread about people who are trying their best to lose weight. There has been no judgement and no negativity so far. Please go away. You clearly are not here to help and know nothing about these issues.

Last quoted poster, which of the quoted posters are you talking to? If it is the last one, "develop new habits and a better. . . " I have been posting on this thread for about the last two months since starting with Dr. Anchors. Posts including weight updates, answering questions about diet, side effects, exercise.

Dr Anchors (I went to see him) was very nice and helpful. He did point out there is no magic to weight loss, but there is a tremendous amount of misinformation out there on what will make you lose weight. These forums are often full of it. (Exercise more! Count calories!) He will talk to you about all of that, and point out that not everyone is meant to be today's ideal of thin. He told me he didn't think I really needed to lose weight from a medical standpoint, but that if I wanted to lose 10-15 lbs, since it wouldn't make me dangerously underweight either, he would prescribe one round, one time. It does help, but I am also taking his advice on modifying eating habits which includes NEVER mixing processed/refined flours with meats--basically don't eat bagels or baguettes with meat and cheese. Stay away from sugar, that sort of thing. Eat way more fruits and veggies. Eat fats. Don't worry about the calories, and just cut back on quantity. Live off brown rice if you want, just don't add meat to it, spikes blood sugar. I'm somewhat paraphrasing and hopefully not doing injustice. But hey, it works. Four pounds in a week.

He holds a couple of patents on the Phen Pro, Phen-Topamax combo for diets. It's basically the bad press from Phen-Fen that killed it back in the day, and since it's REALLY cheap because these drugs have been around for years and years (Phentermine since the 50s), there's no money to be made so nobody (aka Big Pharma) really cares to market. IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on Qsymia and consume about 1300 calories/day. The point isn't to starve yourself with the help of the pills for two months and then gain it all back when you get off. The point is for the pills to take the edge off so you can learn how to manage healthy eating portions and continue to eat that way when you get off of them. If you are only eating 400-600 calories a day, that is dangerous and I would stop the pills.

Yes, I just wonder how that works in practice once you are faced with hunger again when off the pills. It's much easier to make good choices when hunger isn't a factor.

You develop new habits and a better awareness of what you are eating. You also won't feel hungry as much because you have lost weight. The reason fat people are hungry is because they are fat.

I mean this in the best way possible. This has been a very positive thread about people who are trying their best to lose weight. There has been no judgement and no negativity so far. Please go away. You clearly are not here to help and know nothing about these issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on Qsymia and consume about 1300 calories/day. The point isn't to starve yourself with the help of the pills for two months and then gain it all back when you get off. The point is for the pills to take the edge off so you can learn how to manage healthy eating portions and continue to eat that way when you get off of them. If you are only eating 400-600 calories a day, that is dangerous and I would stop the pills.

Yes, I just wonder how that works in practice once you are faced with hunger again when off the pills. It's much easier to make good choices when hunger isn't a factor.

You develop new habits and a better awareness of what you are eating. You also won't feel hungry as much because you have lost weight. The reason fat people are hungry is because they are fat.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious what Anchors' explanation is for this.

For what?

For how you can maintain enough calories while on PhenPro to not negatively impact your metabolism.

You are suppose to eat enough calories, like 1000-14000. No where does he say to only eat 500 calories, not sure why you thought that.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on Qsymia and consume about 1300 calories/day. The point isn't to starve yourself with the help of the pills for two months and then gain it all back when you get off. The point is for the pills to take the edge off so you can learn how to manage healthy eating portions and continue to eat that way when you get off of them. If you are only eating 400-600 calories a day, that is dangerous and I would stop the pills.

Yes, I just wonder how that works in practice once you are faced with hunger again when off the pills. It's much easier to make good choices when hunger isn't a factor.

On the pill that I'm on at least, hunger is still an issue. I still get hungry. It's just not as much of an issue. It's not like I forget to eat. I'm just able to eat a little less. In a few months, I'm hoping that these will become habits and not a chore. I'm not viewing this as something temporary.

Anonymous wrote:I'm on Qsymia and consume about 1300 calories/day. The point isn't to starve yourself with the help of the pills for two months and then gain it all back when you get off. The point is for the pills to take the edge off so you can learn how to manage healthy eating portions and continue to eat that way when you get off of them. If you are only eating 400-600 calories a day, that is dangerous and I would stop the pills.

Yes, I just wonder how that works in practice once you are faced with hunger again when off the pills. It's much easier to make good choices when hunger isn't a factor.