This is not true. Show your studies. There is not the same murder rate in poor Appalachian areas as in urban areas. Until we deal with the violent crime, things won't improve.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

Agreed. It's a problem of poverty. But to expand that, poverty is much more prevalent among single-mother households.

Well if that's the case white folks better get on the ball cause since 1960 the percentage of white children living in single-parent homes has increased from 7 percent to nearly 23 percent. Y'all gonna end up like the coloreds y'all so despise.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

This is not true. Show your studies. There is not the same murder rate in poor Appalachian areas as in urban areas. Until we deal with the violent crime, things won't improve.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll get the ball rolling

I'll listen if people take ownership for their behavior and quit playing the victim card
I'll listen if people quit blaming cops and blame the thugs and ghetto idiots of all races who cause all these problems

A quick caveat what happened in MN from initial reports is jacked up. We need to wait until the final investigation to jump to any conclusions.

Ummm, when people are shot dead by the police after being stopped for a "routine" traffic stop I don't know how they are "playing the victim". Aren't they an actual victim in that case? Oh sorry, you must mean when the police make excuses that it is a difficult job so if they kill someone that has the same skin color as someone that has committed a crime even though the person they kill has not committed a crime and the person that has is still out there ...

I see a separate issue of being why do people commit a crime. Understand, the individuals killed were not committing crimes ...that is exactly why people are protesting. If the police had killed a violent criminal people you would not have this outrage. I'm sorry if you don't see the difference. I can't help you there. But I guess if that is your criteria for "listening" that means you really don't want to listen. As to why people commit crimes and how to reduce crime that is a different discussion. IMHO, those issues aren't something that a single person can tackle. Poverty, lack of opportunities, addictions, mental illness, easy access to weapons etc. Yes, there is evil, yes there is greed and there will always be people in ideal situations that will still committ crimes. But is there something that could have been done that could have influenced a person's trajectory so they wouldn't end up committing a crime ..don't know. And could I, not related to this person in any way, have changed the outcome, tell me how? But since your criteria for listening is for me to personally solve world peace, end poverty, end hunger, etc. again, I would argue you have no interest in listening. Oh, and lest you think I am saying that the person that commits a crime shouldn't be held accountable, that is not what I am saying. I'm saying at that point there is a victim (the victim of the crime), high odds the person will return to crime and have less opportunity to be a productive citizen meaning there will be later victims. Accountability is a poor comfort for the person that has been a victim, better is figuring out how it could have been prevented.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

Agreed. It's a problem of poverty. But to expand that, poverty is much more prevalent among single-mother households.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

The studies that I have read on race, income, and violent crime show that income and urbanization explain most of the difference between white and black populations. In other words, if you compare poor urban whites to poor urban blacks, they have a similar rate of homicide. The studies vary in how much of the gap is covered, but a lot of it has to do whether the study included data from the crack epidemic or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

And another (big) reason that black families are fatherless is because 72% of black babies are born out-of-wedlock. That rate has increased dramatically in recent years and is a major cause of the problems we see today.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

This partly reflects racial differences in the drug markets in black and white communities. In poor black neighborhoods, drugs tend to be sold outdoors, in the open. In white neighborhoods, by contrast, drug transactions typically happen indoors, often between friends and acquaintances. If you sell drugs outside, you're much more likely to get caught. Rothwell's numbers shoot some holes into some oft-repeated drug warrior talking points: that people don't get arrested for nonviolent drug crime as much as they used to (false), and that legalizing and decriminalizing certain drugs won't magically solve racial disparities in the criminal justice system (true, although the chart above suggests it could help).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

Anonymous wrote:I'll get the ball rolling

I'll listen if people take ownership for their behavior and quit playing the victim card
I'll listen if people quit blaming cops and blame the thugs and ghetto idiots of all races who cause all these problems

A quick caveat what happened in MN from initial reports is jacked up. We need to wait until the final investigation to jump to any conclusions.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not black but a minority. Why is it always (mostly 95%) that blacks are having issues with the local police? I don't see Asians, Hispanic, African (African immigrants), indian, Arabic, etc is the news getting shot,mets.

Because they commit more crimes.

Correction: They get arrested for more crimes.

There are many studies, particularly on drug use, that show whites and blacks engaged in criminal behavior at very similar rates.

My i grew up in a very white blue collar town full of poor druggie whites and trailer parks. My father still lives there as do most of the people I grew up with. Instead of pot, the past 12 or so years it has switched to a lot of meth. Most of the people in that town have (legal) guns in their homes. The unemploymemt rate is higher than other more affluent areas.

The town is still almost 95% white.

I would say parts of this town, especially the trailer park areas, are comparable in terms of drug use as similar income inner city areas.

However, in my entire lifetime and that was around 1978 (involved drugs and a love triangle) there has only been one murder in that town and very little violent crime beyond fist fights. There is no gun violence.

What is the difference? There are just as many guns and just as much drug use (mostly meth).

The families are mostly intact though and the fathers only have a couple of kids, usually by one woman, mostly within marriage, and the men that have children by more than one woman are usually in a second marriage situation and not a series of unmarried, multiple baby mammas.

Maybe that is the difference.

I think that is what people are talking about when they refer to the difference in crime.

You can blame it on whites getting off for crimes and blacks not, but a murder is a murder and a shooting is a shooting, and that type of crime is not happening in white communities, even the poor druggie ones.

That is like dismissing school shootings as not being an upper middle class white problem when we know it is, just because the inner city 16-25 year old black men have gun violence too.

Part of the reason the black families you compare yourself to are fatherless is because those fathers are in jail for drug offenses are a result of arrests and prosecutions for those offenses being higher when it comes to blacks rather than whites. Maybe if the police spent the same focus throwing all the meth head dads in jail, your experience would be different.