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Anonymous wrote:The skeptic (and prosecutor) in me wonders if anyone actually saw the child on the beach other than the parents. The whole story is strange. Why is the four year old in the play pen while the baby is allowed to wander alone in the water in the darK?

Otherwisee, it is just a horrible tragedy. Disney has been at that location for more than 40 years. If they were truly negligent, this would not be the first incident of this kind.

Weird -- the 4 yr old in the playpen caught my eye too. Others metioned movies and parades -- yet I haven't read witness accounts of seeing this family.

None of this makes me bat an eye.

Two year old is wild and stired up from all the excitement. Parents let him run around to burn off energy until the parade with dad strolling a few feet away in eyeshot and voice control but not arms length.

Four year old is tired and worn out and having a meltdown, so mom says "Fine. Get in the pac n play and lay down while your brother runs off some steam. We lugged it out here so someone might as well use it."

Dad is tired, feeling laid back because after all, they are on vacation and it's Disney. The toddler sees the gator and runs directly towards it because after all it looks just like the Captain Hook crocodile he has seen all over the park and Jake and the Neverland Pirate. Dad tries but he does not react quickly enough to get to his son before the aligator gets him and by the time he gets there it is too late

None of this, the toddler near the waters edge or the four year old in the playpen sounds surprising.

And why did Disney have a lifeguard stationed at an alligator infested beach if they weren't allowing swimming?

That's a hell of a concocted story to replace "mom and dad just weren't paying attention."

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Anonymous wrote:I thought I remembered seeing signs about alligators when we were there earlier this year (near Port Orleans, not where the attack happened). The news I was watching this morning seemed to confirm that this particular location just had "no swimming" signs, but a quick minute on google found several pictures of signs at Disney about alligators:

Video where a sign (and a gator) appears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTGlE56v6hE

http://temporarytourist.com/my-first-alligator-at-walt-disney-world/

Those both seem to be at Shades of Green--so maybe they have them because they are semi-separate from the rest of Disney World.

There are lots of gators by shades of green- they sun themselves by the lake. You can easily see them from the sidewalk that you use to get to the monorail at Polynesian.

It is an armed forces resort though, so there are probably different decision makers about signage.

This is terrible. But it is true that there are basically alligators and snakes in every body of water to in Florida. And they can come up out of the water really quickly to grab animals or small people. You can watch the gators follow pedestrians with dogs while they walk along most lakes in Florida.

I am so sorry for this family. Removing all of the Gators will basically be impossible on Disney property. I do think they should have more signs and a specific warning on check in about the lakes.

We saw gators at Coronado springs too. Not surprising, but definitely a risk for little ones.

Disney doesn't own Shades of Green. The DOD owns it.

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Anonymous wrote:We're still going in July, taking our two girls.

+1 we are still going too in July. Taking my 4yo.

I feel sorry for people who fall for the Disney hype. Take your children to a place where they can see real nature and not the fakery of Disney. .

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Anonymous wrote:I thought I remembered seeing signs about alligators when we were there earlier this year (near Port Orleans, not where the attack happened). The news I was watching this morning seemed to confirm that this particular location just had "no swimming" signs, but a quick minute on google found several pictures of signs at Disney about alligators:

Video where a sign (and a gator) appears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTGlE56v6hE

http://temporarytourist.com/my-first-alligator-at-walt-disney-world/

Those both seem to be at Shades of Green--so maybe they have them because they are semi-separate from the rest of Disney World.

There are lots of gators by shades of green- they sun themselves by the lake. You can easily see them from the sidewalk that you use to get to the monorail at Polynesian.

It is an armed forces resort though, so there are probably different decision makers about signage.

This is terrible. But it is true that there are basically alligators and snakes in every body of water to in Florida. And they can come up out of the water really quickly to grab animals or small people. You can watch the gators follow pedestrians with dogs while they walk along most lakes in Florida.

I am so sorry for this family. Removing all of the Gators will basically be impossible on Disney property. I do think they should have more signs and a specific warning on check in about the lakes.

We saw gators at Coronado springs too. Not surprising, but definitely a risk for little ones.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought I remembered seeing signs about alligators when we were there earlier this year (near Port Orleans, not where the attack happened). The news I was watching this morning seemed to confirm that this particular location just had "no swimming" signs, but a quick minute on google found several pictures of signs at Disney about alligators:

Video where a sign (and a gator) appears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTGlE56v6hE

http://temporarytourist.com/my-first-alligator-at-walt-disney-world/

Those both seem to be at Shades of Green--so maybe they have them because they are semi-separate from the rest of Disney World.

There are lots of gators by shades of green- they sun themselves by the lake. You can easily see them from the sidewalk that you use to get to the monorail at Polynesian.

It is an armed forces resort though, so there are probably different decision makers about signage.

This is terrible. But it is true that there are basically alligators and snakes in every body of water to in Florida. And they can come up out of the water really quickly to grab animals or small people. You can watch the gators follow pedestrians with dogs while they walk along most lakes in Florida.

I am so sorry for this family. Removing all of the Gators will basically be impossible on Disney property. I do think they should have more signs and a specific warning on check in about the lakes.

We saw gators at Coronado springs too. Not surprising, but definitely a risk for little ones.

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Anonymous wrote:The skeptic (and prosecutor) in me wonders if anyone actually saw the child on the beach other than the parents. The whole story is strange. Why is the four year old in the play pen while the baby is allowed to wander alone in the water in the darK?

Otherwisee, it is just a horrible tragedy. Disney has been at that location for more than 40 years. If they were truly negligent, this would not be the first incident of this kind.

Weird -- the 4 yr old in the playpen caught my eye too. Others metioned movies and parades -- yet I haven't read witness accounts of seeing this family.

None of this makes me bat an eye.

Two year old is wild and stired up from all the excitement. Parents let him run around to burn off energy until the parade with dad strolling a few feet away in eyeshot and voice control but not arms length.

Four year old is tired and worn out and having a meltdown, so mom says "Fine. Get in the pac n play and lay down while your brother runs off some steam. We lugged it out here so someone might as well use it."

Dad is tired, feeling laid back because after all, they are on vacation and it's Disney. The toddler sees the gator and runs directly towards it because after all it looks just like the Captain Hook crocodile he has seen all over the park and Jake and the Neverland Pirate. Dad tries but he does not react quickly enough to get to his son before the aligator gets him and by the time he gets there it is too late

None of this, the toddler near the waters edge or the four year old in the playpen sounds surprising.

And why did Disney have a lifeguard stationed at an alligator infested beach if they weren't allowing swimming?

Dumbest post of the day. It's early, though.

Anonymous wrote:I thought I remembered seeing signs about alligators when we were there earlier this year (near Port Orleans, not where the attack happened). The news I was watching this morning seemed to confirm that this particular location just had "no swimming" signs, but a quick minute on google found several pictures of signs at Disney about alligators:

Video where a sign (and a gator) appears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTGlE56v6hE

http://temporarytourist.com/my-first-alligator-at-walt-disney-world/

Those both seem to be at Shades of Green--so maybe they have them because they are semi-separate from the rest of Disney World.

Anonymous wrote:I thought I remembered seeing signs about alligators when we were there earlier this year (near Port Orleans, not where the attack happened). The news I was watching this morning seemed to confirm that this particular location just had "no swimming" signs, but a quick minute on google found several pictures of signs at Disney about alligators:

Video where a sign (and a gator) appears:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTGlE56v6hE

http://temporarytourist.com/my-first-alligator-at-walt-disney-world/

Those both seem to be at Shades of Green--so maybe they have them because they are semi-separate from the rest of Disney World.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is a 2-yr-old up at 9:30?

that's your response to this tragedy? are you the spawn of trump?

Poor parenting us often discussed and this is an example if a two year old up too late and parents no watching. Or dud I miss the oart where the alligator broke into their place and removed the sleeping child from a bed

What is "too late?" Not everyone has the exact same schedule. I knew a family where the Dad worked a late shift (till 8 pm) every night so the whole family adjusted it's schedule where the kids stayed up late so they could actually spend time with their Dad daily. The kids were not sleep deprived--they just slept later in the morning.

The Electrical Water Pageant goes by the hotels on the lagoon about 9:00, they said there was a movie on the beach, and fireworks are about 9:00 and you can see them from outside the hotels. There are tons of reasons a family at Disney would be outside with a 2-year-old and a 4-year-old at 9:00, especially if its the third night of their trip -- that might be the night they planned to stay up and do the nighttime stuff. This isn't people taking their 2-year-old to a casino at 11:30 pm, this is a family doing Disney stuff at Disney.

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Anonymous wrote:In FL, it is reasonable to assume every body of fresh water -- excluding swimming pools -- has gators.

Maybe, but I don't know how a family from Nebraska would know that. My heart breaks for them.

Who are these people who don't know that FL has gators? I've never lived in FL and yet somehow I have been let in on the apparent secret that alligators are common there. I am certainly not jumping on the blame-the-parents bandwagon, but this whole concept that people are unaware of gators in FL is just weird.

In all seriousness, my heart breaks for this family, too. This is a tragic accident and I cannot imagine what these parents witnessed.

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Anonymous wrote:We're still going in July, taking our two girls.

+1 we are still going too in July. Taking my 4yo.

I feel sorry for people who fall for the Disney hype. Take your children to a place where they can see real nature and not the fakery of Disney. .

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Anonymous wrote:Geez all the back and forth- this baby was two years old. Can you even imagine the terror and trauma? Imagine being his mom or dad witnessing such a thing happening to to their little boy and completely unable to stop it?

If that happened to my precious boy (my only child) I would be done and looking for an exit strategy.

It's a reason some parents choose to have two. That sounds cold, but it's true.

+1 Don't put all your eggs in one basket.