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Anonymous wrote:IB probably wouldn't be viewed so negatively if it wasn't so correlated with the poorest performing schools in the county.

Even though there are many successful IB students from "the poorest performing schools in the county" heading off to excellent colleges and universities (such as MIT, Stanford, Brown, UVA, etc.).

Many? Not even close. But as long as a few IB parents and bureaucrats keep pushing the IB Kool-Aid, we'll keep throwing money at low-performing. declining IB schools like Mount Vernon and Lee. At least you can transfer...

So glad you know these specifics! Please post a listing of the graduates of FCPS high schools, what program they were enrolled in, and where they attend college. Thank you.

Here you go. https://www.restonnow.com/2015/05/29/heres-where-south-lakes-hs-seniors-will-head-next-fall/ Surprised to see more kids going to UVA than from McLean (31) or Langley (29). Maybe colleges do like the IB diploma after all.

South Lakes had a larger graduating class in 2015 than either Langley or McLean, which FCPS ensured by redistricting several neighborhoods to South Lakes a while back. Check the FCPS archives and see how much they welcomed the redistricting to an IB school. Was a group like "Fairfax CAPS" ever formed to oppose a redistricting to an AP school?

Langley and McLean send more kids to Ivies, top privates and OOS schools than South Lakes, so it is not surprising more South Lakes students go to U.Va., particularly since South Lakes is so much bigger. There are probably more SL students going to VCU and NVCC, too, if you want to cite numbers.

Anyway, isn't this thread about Mount Vernon or at least the IB schools that, unlike South Lakes, are not surrounded almost entirely by AP schools?

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Anonymous wrote:IB probably wouldn't be viewed so negatively if it wasn't so correlated with the poorest performing schools in the county.

Even though there are many successful IB students from "the poorest performing schools in the county" heading off to excellent colleges and universities (such as MIT, Stanford, Brown, UVA, etc.).

They are the exception. The vast majority of students at the IB schools are not doing nearly so well. You're very lucky if your student is one of the few successful students.

So students who are zoned for an IB school are not worth IB resources because the "vast majority" of students are not "doing nearly so well"?!?

No.

They deserve AP resources instead of wasting money on IB.

Why are you so emotionally attached to IB? Clearly it is an unsuccessful experiement in that part of the county.

I am not "emotionally attached" to IB. I do not know if it is "unsuccessful experiement [sic] in that part of the county" as I do not live in the Mount Vernon district and do not have a student at Mount Vernon HS. But I do believe in choices for students and there are success stories of students that have taken both AP and IB courses, as well as the IBCC and the IB Diploma.

It sounds like you don't know the history of IB in that part of Fairfax County and just want to defend IB on principle, and at any cost.

These are real, struggling schools that we're talking about here, and it gets in the way of efforts to consider what might help students in those schools do better when IB advocates act like the experience of the outliers are anything close to the norm.

Obviously kids aren't doing that well if the county only has approx 500 kids graduating with the diploma a year.
Make Lee a choice school exclusively for kids perusing IB
And then redraw lines around the other schools.
... And definitely redirect some homes currently zoned to wshs, if for no other reason, than people have been gloating, sanctimonious, insufferable, assholes about that school on this thread.

I can absolutely get behind this. I recommend we create a special attendance island of garden apartments that would feed directly into West Springfield.

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Anonymous wrote:IB probably wouldn't be viewed so negatively if it wasn't so correlated with the poorest performing schools in the county.

Even though there are many successful IB students from "the poorest performing schools in the county" heading off to excellent colleges and universities (such as MIT, Stanford, Brown, UVA, etc.).

Many? Not even close. But as long as a few IB parents and bureaucrats keep pushing the IB Kool-Aid, we'll keep throwing money at low-performing. declining IB schools like Mount Vernon and Lee. At least you can transfer...

So glad you know these specifics! Please post a listing of the graduates of FCPS high schools, what program they were enrolled in, and where they attend college. Thank you.

Here you go. https://www.restonnow.com/2015/05/29/heres-where-south-lakes-hs-seniors-will-head-next-fall/ Surprised to see more kids going to UVA than from McLean (31) or Langley (29). Maybe colleges do like the IB diploma after all.

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Anonymous wrote:IB probably wouldn't be viewed so negatively if it wasn't so correlated with the poorest performing schools in the county.

Even though there are many successful IB students from "the poorest performing schools in the county" heading off to excellent colleges and universities (such as MIT, Stanford, Brown, UVA, etc.).

They are the exception. The vast majority of students at the IB schools are not doing nearly so well. You're very lucky if your student is one of the few successful students.

So students who are zoned for an IB school are not worth IB resources because the "vast majority" of students are not "doing nearly so well"?!?

No.

They deserve AP resources instead of wasting money on IB.

Why are you so emotionally attached to IB? Clearly it is an unsuccessful experiement in that part of the county.

I am not "emotionally attached" to IB. I do not know if it is "unsuccessful experiement [sic] in that part of the county" as I do not live in the Mount Vernon district and do not have a student at Mount Vernon HS. But I do believe in choices for students and there are success stories of students that have taken both AP and IB courses, as well as the IBCC and the IB Diploma.

It sounds like you don't know the history of IB in that part of Fairfax County and just want to defend IB on principle, and at any cost.

These are real, struggling schools that we're talking about here, and it gets in the way of efforts to consider what might help students in those schools do better when IB advocates act like the experience of the outliers are anything close to the norm.

Obviously kids aren't doing that well if the county only has approx 500 kids graduating with the diploma a year.
Make Lee a choice school exclusively for kids perusing IB
And then redraw lines around the other schools.
... And definitely redirect some homes currently zoned to wshs, if for no other reason, than people have been gloating, sanctimonious, insufferable, assholes about that school on this thread.

I can absolutely get behind this. I recommend we create a special attendance island of garden apartments that would feed directly into West Springfield.

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Anonymous wrote:IB probably wouldn't be viewed so negatively if it wasn't so correlated with the poorest performing schools in the county.

Even though there are many successful IB students from "the poorest performing schools in the county" heading off to excellent colleges and universities (such as MIT, Stanford, Brown, UVA, etc.).

They are the exception. The vast majority of students at the IB schools are not doing nearly so well. You're very lucky if your student is one of the few successful students.

So students who are zoned for an IB school are not worth IB resources because the "vast majority" of students are not "doing nearly so well"?!?

No.

They deserve AP resources instead of wasting money on IB.

Why are you so emotionally attached to IB? Clearly it is an unsuccessful experiement in that part of the county.

I am not "emotionally attached" to IB. I do not know if it is "unsuccessful experiement [sic] in that part of the county" as I do not live in the Mount Vernon district and do not have a student at Mount Vernon HS. But I do believe in choices for students and there are success stories of students that have taken both AP and IB courses, as well as the IBCC and the IB Diploma.

It sounds like you don't know the history of IB in that part of Fairfax County and just want to defend IB on principle, and at any cost.

These are real, struggling schools that we're talking about here, and it gets in the way of efforts to consider what might help students in those schools do better when IB advocates act like the experience of the outliers are anything close to the norm.

SO -- if the focus is back on Mount Vernon HS (and not on IB vs. AP or military families or building a wall) -- has the Mount Vernon administration been involved in the ESOL school-within-a-school program currently piloting at Stuart HS? Are there enough ESOL students at Mount Vernon HS to warrant such a program?

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Anonymous wrote:Another thing to consider is that part of the county has a lot of military kids. IB has no value to them because there is a good chance they will move during high school, either into or out of fcps.

They mostly want AP and are going to try to avoid schools that are IB.

We have so many residents employed by the federal government, too, and therefore many feds' kids. We should eliminate AP and IB courses in US Government because the kids do not need to learn these content areas as they already know it from growing up in a fed family.

second PP doesn't make any sense.

First PP does make sense. I know of a military family that was in Edison's district. They had a junior in HS. He took the IB classes.... and then his family got orders to move to FL. They did not think they were going to be moving that year. Kid had one year finished of a two year IB course.... and now he has to move. Not great. AP would have served him much better.

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Anonymous wrote:IB probably wouldn't be viewed so negatively if it wasn't so correlated with the poorest performing schools in the county.

Even though there are many successful IB students from "the poorest performing schools in the county" heading off to excellent colleges and universities (such as MIT, Stanford, Brown, UVA, etc.).

They are the exception. The vast majority of students at the IB schools are not doing nearly so well. You're very lucky if your student is one of the few successful students.

So students who are zoned for an IB school are not worth IB resources because the "vast majority" of students are not "doing nearly so well"?!?

No.

They deserve AP resources instead of wasting money on IB.

Why are you so emotionally attached to IB? Clearly it is an unsuccessful experiement in that part of the county.

I am not "emotionally attached" to IB. I do not know if it is "unsuccessful experiement [sic] in that part of the county" as I do not live in the Mount Vernon district and do not have a student at Mount Vernon HS. But I do believe in choices for students and there are success stories of students that have taken both AP and IB courses, as well as the IBCC and the IB Diploma.

It sounds like you don't know the history of IB in that part of Fairfax County and just want to defend IB on principle, and at any cost.

These are real, struggling schools that we're talking about here, and it gets in the way of efforts to consider what might help students in those schools do better when IB advocates act like the experience of the outliers are anything close to the norm.

Obviously kids aren't doing that well if the county only has approx 500 kids graduating with the diploma a year.
Make Lee a choice school exclusively for kids perusing IB
And then redraw lines around the other schools.
... And definitely redirect some homes currently zoned to wshs, if for no other reason, than people have been gloating, sanctimonious, insufferable, assholes about that school on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:IB probably wouldn't be viewed so negatively if it wasn't so correlated with the poorest performing schools in the county.

Even though there are many successful IB students from "the poorest performing schools in the county" heading off to excellent colleges and universities (such as MIT, Stanford, Brown, UVA, etc.).

They are the exception. The vast majority of students at the IB schools are not doing nearly so well. You're very lucky if your student is one of the few successful students.

So students who are zoned for an IB school are not worth IB resources because the "vast majority" of students are not "doing nearly so well"?!?

No.

They deserve AP resources instead of wasting money on IB.

Why are you so emotionally attached to IB? Clearly it is an unsuccessful experiement in that part of the county.

I am not "emotionally attached" to IB. I do not know if it is "unsuccessful experiement [sic] in that part of the county" as I do not live in the Mount Vernon district and do not have a student at Mount Vernon HS. But I do believe in choices for students and there are success stories of students that have taken both AP and IB courses, as well as the IBCC and the IB Diploma.

It sounds like you don't know the history of IB in that part of Fairfax County and just want to defend IB on principle, and at any cost.

These are real, struggling schools that we're talking about here, and it gets in the way of efforts to consider what might help students in those schools do better when IB advocates act like the experience of the outliers are anything close to the norm.

Anonymous wrote:Another thing to consider is that part of the county has a lot of military kids. IB has no value to them because there is a good chance they will move during high school, either into or out of fcps.

They mostly want AP and are going to try to avoid schools that are IB.

We have so many residents employed by the federal government, too, and therefore many feds' kids. We should eliminate AP and IB courses in US Government because the kids do not need to learn these content areas as they already know it from growing up in a fed family.

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Anonymous wrote:IB probably wouldn't be viewed so negatively if it wasn't so correlated with the poorest performing schools in the county.

Even though there are many successful IB students from "the poorest performing schools in the county" heading off to excellent colleges and universities (such as MIT, Stanford, Brown, UVA, etc.).

They are the exception. The vast majority of students at the IB schools are not doing nearly so well. You're very lucky if your student is one of the few successful students.

So students who are zoned for an IB school are not worth IB resources because the "vast majority" of students are not "doing nearly so well"?!?

No.

They deserve AP resources instead of wasting money on IB.

Why are you so emotionally attached to IB? Clearly it is an unsuccessful experiement in that part of the county.

I am not "emotionally attached" to IB. I do not know if it is "unsuccessful experiement [sic] in that part of the county" as I do not live in the Mount Vernon district and do not have a student at Mount Vernon HS. But I do believe in choices for students and there are success stories of students that have taken both AP and IB courses, as well as the IBCC and the IB Diploma.

If you are at an IB school but want AP you can pupil place to AP school. So why do we have IB clustered around? To give the other kids an option out of their school into a better school?

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Anonymous wrote:IB probably wouldn't be viewed so negatively if it wasn't so correlated with the poorest performing schools in the county.

Even though there are many successful IB students from "the poorest performing schools in the county" heading off to excellent colleges and universities (such as MIT, Stanford, Brown, UVA, etc.).

They are the exception. The vast majority of students at the IB schools are not doing nearly so well. You're very lucky if your student is one of the few successful students.

So students who are zoned for an IB school are not worth IB resources because the "vast majority" of students are not "doing nearly so well"?!?

No.

They deserve AP resources instead of wasting money on IB.

Why are you so emotionally attached to IB? Clearly it is an unsuccessful experiement in that part of the county.

Another thing to consider is that part of the county has a lot of military kids. IB has no value to them because there is a good chance they will move during high school, either into or out of fcps.

They mostly want AP and are going to try to avoid schools that are IB.

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Anonymous wrote:IB probably wouldn't be viewed so negatively if it wasn't so correlated with the poorest performing schools in the county.

Even though there are many successful IB students from "the poorest performing schools in the county" heading off to excellent colleges and universities (such as MIT, Stanford, Brown, UVA, etc.).

They are the exception. The vast majority of students at the IB schools are not doing nearly so well. You're very lucky if your student is one of the few successful students.

So students who are zoned for an IB school are not worth IB resources because the "vast majority" of students are not "doing nearly so well"?!?