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Anonymous wrote:Look, you can be snide all you want. I'm clean. I'm not tearing apart my family, destroying my kids' childhood, straining social resources because I couldn't pass on the chance to do a substance and get hooked on it.

LOL you think *we're* snide. Did you grow up in Jamaica, Queens? Did your dad leave your family because he was addicted to heroin, thus not only saddling you with abandonment issues but a proclivity toward addiction yourself? Did your mom die of cancer when you were 12? Did you lose a 6 month old to SIDS? No? None of this? Even one of these things? Then STFU about how you're so high and mighty because you would never DARE to even try a drug to escape the hell that is your life, or because you didn't know any better, or because you were genetically inclined to do so.

I am not the PP but I think you've crossed the line from empathy for addicts to an expansive victim mentality. My father grew up poor, with a violent and often absent alcoholic father. He chose to never drink a drop of alcohol and has been successful. I grew up in a comfortable home but the idea that I could become 'hooked' on something after a single 'hit' was enough to deter me from ever trying drugs. I agree that adddicts have a real struggle once they are hooked. But it's ridiculous to say it was not a choice to take drugs in the first place. Yes, the horribleness of their life experience may have made drugs look attractive -- I get that and am blessed not to have lived that. But it was still a choice in a way that something like depression is not. If it's not a choice at the beginning, how on earth can people who are chemically dependent on a substance choose to get and stay clean?! A hard choice is still a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Via TMZ:

BREAKING: He's back in Los Angeles, but Lamar Odom's kidneys are failing and he may need a transplant. http://bit.ly/1M3R2q2

If so, I bet he *somehow* manages to bypass others on the transplant waiting list.

Maybe bruce will donate one and one of the other trashians will donate the other

Anonymous wrote:Look, you can be snide all you want. I'm clean. I'm not tearing apart my family, destroying my kids' childhood, straining social resources because I couldn't pass on the chance to do a substance and get hooked on it.

LOL you think *we're* snide. Did you grow up in Jamaica, Queens? Did your dad leave your family because he was addicted to heroin, thus not only saddling you with abandonment issues but a proclivity toward addiction yourself? Did your mom die of cancer when you were 12? Did you lose a 6 month old to SIDS? No? None of this? Even one of these things? Then STFU about how you're so high and mighty because you would never DARE to even try a drug to escape the hell that is your life, or because you didn't know any better, or because you were genetically inclined to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:Via TMZ:

BREAKING: He's back in Los Angeles, but Lamar Odom's kidneys are failing and he may need a transplant. http://bit.ly/1M3R2q2

If so, I bet he *somehow* manages to bypass others on the transplant waiting list.

Buy them on the black market -- transplant teams are not crazy about kidneys which fail this way. Strike off list.

Granted, I'm getting this info from medical dramas on tv like ER and Chicago Hope, but don't you have to prove you would take care of the organs that would be donated in order to get them?

I would be so pissed if I donated a kidney thinking it was going to save some person with a genetic disease only to find out it went to Lamar, known drug abuser.

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Anonymous wrote:Via TMZ:

BREAKING: He's back in Los Angeles, but Lamar Odom's kidneys are failing and he may need a transplant. http://bit.ly/1M3R2q2

If so, I bet he *somehow* manages to bypass others on the transplant waiting list.

Why would you think this? Stardom did not help Walter Peyton.

Anonymous wrote:Via TMZ:

BREAKING: He's back in Los Angeles, but Lamar Odom's kidneys are failing and he may need a transplant. http://bit.ly/1M3R2q2

If so, I bet he *somehow* manages to bypass others on the transplant waiting list.

Via TMZ:

BREAKING: He's back in Los Angeles, but Lamar Odom's kidneys are failing and he may need a transplant. http://bit.ly/1M3R2q2

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/10/19/lamar-odom-transferring-los-angeles-hospital?hootPostID=d4a7416716743e4f0226f1b916c33472

Lamar Odom is coming back to Los Angeles.
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The former Laker and Clipper is being transferred by medical helicopter from Sunrise Hospital in Las Vegas to a facility in Los Angeles to continue treatment after he was discovered unconscious at a Nevada brothel last Tuesday, according to People. He is said to be accompanied by his estranged wife, Khloe Kardashian, and several nurses.

Odom, 35, has shown signs of improvement since waking up from a four-day coma on Friday and breathing on his own.

A person familiar with the situation told People that Odom still has a long way to go in his recovery. “He’s responsive, but there are so many things that could go wrong right now, and the doctors have still been guarded,” the person said.

Kardashian has been by Odom’s side since rushing to Las Vegas with family members last week. Other friends and family who have visited Odom include former Lakers teammate Kobe Bryant; Odom’s two children and their mother; and Odom’s father, Joe Odom.

Anonymous wrote: "Just Say No" didn't work, Nancy Reagan.

I dunno. Between that, "this is your brain on drugs" and Len Bias, they worked for me!

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Anonymous wrote:ESPN is now reporting that he's improving

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13902999/lamar-odom-conscious-breathing-own-las-vegas-hospital

Damn, didn't think that was going to happen for him. Must be lots of folks out there praying for him.

I am one of them. He has been through enough pain already, deserves a happy life.

+1 but I'll add productive life with a focus on his family and spirituality. Neither brothel nor drugs will be the answer to his search to end the pain.

+2. I hope this is what he needs to turn his life around. I want him to get clean, get back with Khloe and for Khloe to get rid of the cameras in that part of her life.

Can't explain it especially since I don't care for the Kardashians, but there is something about Lamar that has me rooting for him.(Kanye too)

He's an athlete - married to a fame whore - whose stupidity nearly killed him (or did kill him). why all the outpouring of love?

ridiculous

Any GOOD father would know better. And if this genius does survive, his kids will never live this down.

You people are horrifyingly naive about the nature of addiction. How can you not grasp that someone can be good, kind, loving AND ALSO have a terrible addiction that they cannot fight, or can sometimes, but not others, and that they do not actively choose to hurt their families, destroy their own lives, make horrible decisions and do embarrassing things but literally cannot help but do so when addiction takes over?

Addiction can happen to anyone. Anyone. If it happened to your children, would you hope others would feel compassion, understanding, sympathy for them, or would you want people to say their life doesn't matter, if they die, it's their own fault? You're placing a paradigm of logic ("should know better") on something (addiction) that DOES NOT OPERATE in a logical manner.

He was caught in a whorehouse with cocaine in his system!

No, I feel no compassion for him. Fuck his life. That's his issue. But he's fucked up his kids b/c he was too goddamn selfish to think of anyone but himself.

I'm logical. I don't put myself before my own kids. And if I did have some addiction, I'd take care of it before shoving it on a spouse or kids.

AGAIN, ADDICTION IS NOT LOGICAL. A person who is addicted to something, in their sober moments, will fiercely vow to do better for their spouse or kids, to fix themselves, to "just stop doing it." Then the dark thoughts set in. Whatever twisted thing in them that pulls them toward self destruction comes alive. They are not in control of themselves in those times. The addiction is. They are no more choosing to hurt their families and be a fuck up than those who commit suicide are CHOOSING to die. They truly feel they have no other option.

Yea except for the glaring fact that they made the conscious decision to CHOOSE to do illegal drugs in the first place and get hooked on them. Someone that commits suicide due to depression did not choose to become depressed. And yea some people turn to drugs because of depression. But in cases like this where there is fame and money involved, it is frequently just a part of the lifestyle that they gave in to as a way to cope with stress. I'm stressed like crazy at this point in my life. I chose not to turn to drugs as the answer. Lamar went the other way.

See this is where I'm coming from, too.

You're both poorly informed about addiction.

Actually as someone that has actually gone through addiction personally and still struggles to control it at times, I think you are the misinformed one. Everyone knows addiction is incredibly hard to overcome, especially once it is rooted in place. Not getting addicted in the first place is usually not that hard, but stems from poor choices. Depression and making the choice to first do drugs and then end up addicted to them are two very different monsters, stop trying to equate them. Lamar could have said no, he didn't. Drugs are a choice, depression is not. Drugs after you are already hooked may not be as much of a choice, but that is not what we are talking about.

Look, you can be snide all you want. I'm clean. I'm not tearing apart my family, destroying my kids' childhood, straining social resources because I couldn't pass on the chance to do a substance and get hooked on it.

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Anonymous wrote:ESPN is now reporting that he's improving

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13902999/lamar-odom-conscious-breathing-own-las-vegas-hospital

Damn, didn't think that was going to happen for him. Must be lots of folks out there praying for him.

I am one of them. He has been through enough pain already, deserves a happy life.

+1 but I'll add productive life with a focus on his family and spirituality. Neither brothel nor drugs will be the answer to his search to end the pain.

+2. I hope this is what he needs to turn his life around. I want him to get clean, get back with Khloe and for Khloe to get rid of the cameras in that part of her life.

Can't explain it especially since I don't care for the Kardashians, but there is something about Lamar that has me rooting for him.(Kanye too)

He's an athlete - married to a fame whore - whose stupidity nearly killed him (or did kill him). why all the outpouring of love?

ridiculous

Any GOOD father would know better. And if this genius does survive, his kids will never live this down.

You people are horrifyingly naive about the nature of addiction. How can you not grasp that someone can be good, kind, loving AND ALSO have a terrible addiction that they cannot fight, or can sometimes, but not others, and that they do not actively choose to hurt their families, destroy their own lives, make horrible decisions and do embarrassing things but literally cannot help but do so when addiction takes over?

Addiction can happen to anyone. Anyone. If it happened to your children, would you hope others would feel compassion, understanding, sympathy for them, or would you want people to say their life doesn't matter, if they die, it's their own fault? You're placing a paradigm of logic ("should know better") on something (addiction) that DOES NOT OPERATE in a logical manner.

He was caught in a whorehouse with cocaine in his system!

No, I feel no compassion for him. Fuck his life. That's his issue. But he's fucked up his kids b/c he was too goddamn selfish to think of anyone but himself.

I'm logical. I don't put myself before my own kids. And if I did have some addiction, I'd take care of it before shoving it on a spouse or kids.

AGAIN, ADDICTION IS NOT LOGICAL. A person who is addicted to something, in their sober moments, will fiercely vow to do better for their spouse or kids, to fix themselves, to "just stop doing it." Then the dark thoughts set in. Whatever twisted thing in them that pulls them toward self destruction comes alive. They are not in control of themselves in those times. The addiction is. They are no more choosing to hurt their families and be a fuck up than those who commit suicide are CHOOSING to die. They truly feel they have no other option.

Yea except for the glaring fact that they made the conscious decision to CHOOSE to do illegal drugs in the first place and get hooked on them. Someone that commits suicide due to depression did not choose to become depressed. And yea some people turn to drugs because of depression. But in cases like this where there is fame and money involved, it is frequently just a part of the lifestyle that they gave in to as a way to cope with stress. I'm stressed like crazy at this point in my life. I chose not to turn to drugs as the answer. Lamar went the other way.

See this is where I'm coming from, too.

You're both poorly informed about addiction.

Not talking about once the addiction is there. Steering away from the paths to addiction in the first place.

"Just Say No" didn't work, Nancy Reagan.

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Anonymous wrote:ESPN is now reporting that he's improving

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13902999/lamar-odom-conscious-breathing-own-las-vegas-hospital

Damn, didn't think that was going to happen for him. Must be lots of folks out there praying for him.

I am one of them. He has been through enough pain already, deserves a happy life.

+1 but I'll add productive life with a focus on his family and spirituality. Neither brothel nor drugs will be the answer to his search to end the pain.

+2. I hope this is what he needs to turn his life around. I want him to get clean, get back with Khloe and for Khloe to get rid of the cameras in that part of her life.

Can't explain it especially since I don't care for the Kardashians, but there is something about Lamar that has me rooting for him.(Kanye too)

He's an athlete - married to a fame whore - whose stupidity nearly killed him (or did kill him). why all the outpouring of love?

ridiculous

Any GOOD father would know better. And if this genius does survive, his kids will never live this down.

You people are horrifyingly naive about the nature of addiction. How can you not grasp that someone can be good, kind, loving AND ALSO have a terrible addiction that they cannot fight, or can sometimes, but not others, and that they do not actively choose to hurt their families, destroy their own lives, make horrible decisions and do embarrassing things but literally cannot help but do so when addiction takes over?

Addiction can happen to anyone. Anyone. If it happened to your children, would you hope others would feel compassion, understanding, sympathy for them, or would you want people to say their life doesn't matter, if they die, it's their own fault? You're placing a paradigm of logic ("should know better") on something (addiction) that DOES NOT OPERATE in a logical manner.

He was caught in a whorehouse with cocaine in his system!

No, I feel no compassion for him. Fuck his life. That's his issue. But he's fucked up his kids b/c he was too goddamn selfish to think of anyone but himself.

I'm logical. I don't put myself before my own kids. And if I did have some addiction, I'd take care of it before shoving it on a spouse or kids.

AGAIN, ADDICTION IS NOT LOGICAL. A person who is addicted to something, in their sober moments, will fiercely vow to do better for their spouse or kids, to fix themselves, to "just stop doing it." Then the dark thoughts set in. Whatever twisted thing in them that pulls them toward self destruction comes alive. They are not in control of themselves in those times. The addiction is. They are no more choosing to hurt their families and be a fuck up than those who commit suicide are CHOOSING to die. They truly feel they have no other option.

Yea except for the glaring fact that they made the conscious decision to CHOOSE to do illegal drugs in the first place and get hooked on them. Someone that commits suicide due to depression did not choose to become depressed. And yea some people turn to drugs because of depression. But in cases like this where there is fame and money involved, it is frequently just a part of the lifestyle that they gave in to as a way to cope with stress. I'm stressed like crazy at this point in my life. I chose not to turn to drugs as the answer. Lamar went the other way.

See this is where I'm coming from, too.

You're both poorly informed about addiction.

Not talking about once the addiction is there. Steering away from the paths to addiction in the first place.

PP again. And lots of courage.