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Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling that many of the PPs with strong opinions don't have teens yet.

I think they do. I think several people posting here are in Wootton cluster and are really mad about a subculture of drinking and drugging, and most about the parents who purposefully look the other way as long as grades are good. I know I am. I know "many" Wootton parents who are militant about no drugs or alcohol. And many who enable. And many others who just don't have a clue, even though they could if they tried.

The biggest question I have is why the parents of the teens at the party aren't encouraging their kids to come forward to investigators with information. It sounds like it was a big party and the parents must have a sense of of their kids were in attendance. As one of the victim's families resides in my community, I do want to be respectful of the need for everyone to grieve but I am concerned about the clamming up of those involved.

Anonymous wrote:I grew up without ever watching/reading/hearing anything about crashes like this - yet I never got drunk and would never be in a moving car without a seat belt on. The only thing my parents needed to do was make the rules very clear, be very strict with them, state clearly what happens to people who get wasted or don't wear seat belts during accidents and keep me away from kids who would drink or think not wearing seat belts was cool.

This is ALL about parents not parenting well. I grew up with a legal drinking age of 16 for light alcohol like beer and 18 for anything else. There was no such accident as this one or the many others where I grew up. Ever. If parents parent well teens can drink responsibly without getting drunk (even though personally I prefer a legal drinking age of 18 to 16 I also believe a huge reason for teenage over-drinking IS the fact that legal drinking age is 21. It is SO forbidden for SO long that teens just go overboard behind their parents back). And they can drink without ever getting near a car. And they will wear seat belts when they are in a car. It is ALL about parenting. Nothing else.

Anonymous wrote:I grew up without ever watching/reading/hearing anything about crashes like this - yet I never got drunk and would never be in a moving car without a seat belt on. The only thing my parents needed to do was make the rules very clear, be very strict with them, state clearly what happens to people who get wasted or don't wear seat belts during accidents and keep me away from kids who would drink or think not wearing seat belts was cool.

This is ALL about parents not parenting well. I grew up with a legal drinking age of 16 for light alcohol like beer and 18 for anything else. There was no such accident as this one or the many others where I grew up. Ever. If parents parent well teens can drink responsibly without getting drunk (even though personally I prefer a legal drinking age of 18 to 16 I also believe a huge reason for teenage over-drinking IS the fact that legal drinking age is 21. It is SO forbidden for SO long that teens just go overboard behind their parents back). And they can drink without ever getting near a car. And they will wear seat belts when they are in a car. It is ALL about parenting. Nothing else.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling that many of the PPs with strong opinions don't have teens yet.

I think they do. I think several people posting here are in Wootton cluster and are really mad about a subculture of drinking and drugging, and most about the parents who purposefully look the other way as long as grades are good. I know I am. I know "many" Wootton parents who are militant about no drugs or alcohol. And many who enable. And many others who just don't have a clue, even though they could if they tried.

This issue isn't isolated to a single school or area. It is pervasive nationwide. It always has, it always will.

Maybe. It's different to me because i grew up poor and understood the drugs and alcohol culture there in school. Now i'm in a rich area where all the parents throw money at the kids. So much easier to get stuff.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling that many of the PPs with strong opinions don't have teens yet.

I think they do. I think several people posting here are in Wootton cluster and are really mad about a subculture of drinking and drugging, and most about the parents who purposefully look the other way as long as grades are good. I know I am. I know "many" Wootton parents who are militant about no drugs or alcohol. And many who enable. And many others who just don't have a clue, even though they could if they tried.

This issue isn't isolated to a single school or area. It is pervasive nationwide. It always has, it always will.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling that many of the PPs with strong opinions don't have teens yet.

I think they do. I think several people posting here are in Wootton cluster and are really mad about a subculture of drinking and drugging, and most about the parents who purposefully look the other way as long as grades are good. I know I am. I know "many" Wootton parents who are militant about no drugs or alcohol. And many who enable. And many others who just don't have a clue, even though they could if they tried.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling that many of the PPs with strong opinions don't have teens yet.

I think they do. I think several people posting here are in Wootton cluster and are really mad about a subculture of drinking and drugging, and most about the parents who purposefully look the other way as long as grades are good. I know I am. I know "many" Wootton parents who are militant about no drugs or alcohol. And many who enable. And many others who just don't have a clue, even though they could if they tried.

Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling that many of the PPs with strong opinions don't have teens yet.

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Anonymous wrote:How have these kids gotten by without hitting the headlines until now? No detention center lock-ups?

Hope you are being sarcastic. Drinking and partying is not out of the norm for high school seniors. Not all do it, but it is not uncommon. Kids tweet about this stuff at almost all of the high schools. And even more teens are doing it and not tweeting about it.

I think about this all the time. My group of close girlfriends and I were the sort of "middle" kids. Some of us played varsity sports but we were also kind of the middle ground-nerd-good kids who just kind of hung out at each other's houses or went for ice cream or to dinner at the local pizza places and stuff together instead of partying because none of our parents would have let us just "go out". Even WE started drinking a little bit at smaller parties and gatherings of friends (and some nights a lot) around April or May of senior year sort of mixed in with our regular hangout activities.

The "good" kids, with the early curfews, who were all still virgins and barely dated and no where near the kind of fearlessness to do anything all that crazy at all. Its everywhere.

+100 The smug and judgmental attitudes about these kids (who presumably the majority of posters don't even know) are revolting and inappropriate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How have these kids gotten by without hitting the headlines until now? No detention center lock-ups?

Hope you are being sarcastic. Drinking and partying is not out of the norm for high school seniors. Not all do it, but it is not uncommon. Kids tweet about this stuff at almost all of the high schools. And even more teens are doing it and not tweeting about it.

I think about this all the time. My group of close girlfriends and I were the sort of "middle" kids. Some of us played varsity sports but we were also kind of the middle ground-nerd-good kids who just kind of hung out at each other's houses or went for ice cream or to dinner at the local pizza places and stuff together instead of partying because none of our parents would have let us just "go out". Even WE started drinking a little bit at smaller parties and gatherings of friends (and some nights a lot) around April or May of senior year sort of mixed in with our regular hangout activities.

The "good" kids, with the early curfews, who were all still virgins and barely dated and no where near the kind of fearlessness to do anything all that crazy at all. Its everywhere.

+100 The smug and judgmental attitudes about these kids (who presumably the majority of posters don't even know) are revolting and inappropriate.