Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 16:39     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:OP here,

That still doesn't include the charter schools. The earlier link provided charter school data but it didn't disaggregate between advanced and proficient.

As far as I can tell, all we can use to assess DCCAS scores for charters schools is the percent proficient plus advanced. We do have this total by race, however.


http://www.learndc.org/schoolprofiles/view?s=3068#reportcard

ok this is a bit complicated
click on this link
then click on the DC CAS part
then click on the detail part
then you MUST click on the blue part
and you can select for grade, race, FARMS, gender, everything. I promise. The only thing I cannot figure out is how to get the number of advanced for the school in question (here it is Basis - it just goes blank) I think this includes all schools not just charters

IT DOES WORK
I just cannot get the advanced part to work for me

OP
try again please
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 16:33     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Going back a aways -- the Burleith Assoc has a narrative history of the neighborhood up on their site - it has the caveat that this is written from a person's point of view - but the core facts of the timing matches up with our neighbor's experiences. The junior high school at 35th & T was called the Gordon Jr High - and in the mid 1960s of the 800 students, there were about 1/2 white and 1/2 African American. By the late 70s, there was a report that school enrollment dropped to 261 students & only 13 were white. and was closed around 1980.
"Hardy" had been an elementary school (located where the Hardy park/playground and 'old Hardy school' which the Lab school currently leases) -- but around 1974 became a small middle school (grades 5-8) for Key/Mann/Hyde/Stoddert which all had low enrollments (Amy Carter attended). It was at the Foxhall location until 1996.
The building at 35th & T was used for an adult education center from around 1980-1996.

http://www.burleith.org/burleith-history/

And some from Hardy's web site: http://www.hardyms.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=242744&type=d
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 16:11     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:About racism.
Hardy 6th grade IB parent: indeed my DC was asked by IB parents how she was doing at school with so many black peers... whether of not she was comfortable etc..If she was doing playdates (now hangouts) wit them...


I think you are being absolutely honest here...and that makes me a little sad.


However, many IB families who avoid Hardy happily enroll their kids in Latin (44% AA) and BASIS (48% AA). Avoiding the AA demographic must not be the top priority for those families...


Right -- The priority could be avoiding the perception of inferiority. Hardy is perceived as inferior among a certain group of IB parents and Latin and Basis are not. Hardy has baggage. The charters do not. [b] Parents who win the lottery are willing to commute every day to avoid being perceived as being inferior. Granted, some parents prefer the academic focus of those charters and would travel long distances from any part of the city to send their kids there, but I'm betting that is not the primary motivator for many IB Hardy parents.
[/b]

Here's another possibility, PP. The IB families who choose Latin and BASIS over Hardy do so not because they fear being thought of as inferior by others, but rather because those schools do, in fact, offer better educations than Hardy does.


Maybe, but that's a perception too, that's hard to quantify. It would be interesting to know if those same parents would have chosen Deal over the charters, if it had been an option. I'd guess probably some would -- if they prefer a classics- or STEM- based education, but more would opt for the geographically convenient Deal.


We would have sent our child to Deal without hesitation.


but because of geography, right, or because you eventually are going to send your child to Wilson...?

not because you needed to avoid "being perceived as inferior?"

This poster strikes me as batshit crazy.

Most people who live in these areas have already been described as "recession proof"
and presumably are not worried about keeping up with the Joneses - they are the Joneses -

and if they choose to send their kids to Hardy, they will do so, and trumpet it from the rooftops,
to set an example and try to attract more kids like theirs to the school, the same way Basis parents do..........
they are doing it on this thread even as OP and others are trying to stay on topic
(although I believe what the Hardy parents and to a degree Basis parents are saying is completely relevant)

I think of all the people in the city these people (who have been described at least among public school parents as some of the most wealthy) are probably the least worried about what other people think of them.....
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 15:55     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Thanks.

Again, earlier posters are being unfair regarding my use of proficient+advanced. That is what everyone uses to assess schools, inluding the Charter Board in the links provided above.



Your "everyone" doesn't include any of the parents I know. We are IB for Hardy.


I have to say I completely agree with this - witness all the people who are putting their faith in schools with low DC CAS scores around the city for their "snowflakes" (I hate that term because I have a feeling it also means white).
A school is not its DC CAS scores, especially when
a) the DC CAS is a joke
b) some of the schools with the highest scores are schools that the folks you are speaking to here would never send their kids to (aka Kipp, DC Prep.....)

PS OP don't know if this is true but dh says that Md sets their CAS higher for proficient
AND that DC is now talking about setting everything lower than most states for the PARCC

I agree as well that what matters to me past 5th is what level kids come in with not their learning curve (just because like me I think the population you are trying to convince would be the kids who would be in the honors classes not aspiring to them)

kudos to Principal Pride and Mary Cheh who together are trying so hard to make this work for all Hardy families

does anyone know whether it is an urban legend that Hardy was once was a neighborhood school? When?

BMB? Before Marion Barry?

When I grew up here the only kids I knew who ever went to public school went to Mann and then came to join us at what were then all affordable privates on (what we viewed as) one middle/upper middle class income........

And I really think it was - my father does not remember struggling to pay tuition for 3 kids at private school and he was not a doctor, lawyer, stock broker, lobbyist.... he was a fed - I don't know what level but a lot of our fathers were and then there were the rich kids and the poor kids, and we were not in Catholic schools.

We all know that private school and private college tuition have outpaced inflation and I assume that means salaries by an astronomical amount, no?

OP, care to comment?

PS the economic recession theory and the Deal increase in popularity is a very widely held belief even if it is false
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 14:23     Subject: Re:By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Compare.aspx?tab=1&school=254,272,261,287

I assume you can go from here and change this to make it work for us?[/quote

Is it possible to compare a DCPS to a charter using this system? e.g. Hardy and Latin?


no, only "pure" public.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 14:21     Subject: Re:By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Compare.aspx?tab=1&school=254,272,261,287

I assume you can go from here and change this to make it work for us?[/quote

Is it possible to compare a DCPS to a charter using this system? e.g. Hardy and Latin?
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 14:16     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
OP here,

That still doesn't include the charter schools. The earlier link provided charter school data but it didn't disaggregate between advanced and proficient.

As far as I can tell, all we can use to assess DCCAS scores for charters schools is the percent proficient plus advanced. We do have this total by race, however.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 14:03     Subject: Re:By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Compare.aspx?tab=1&school=254,272,261,287

I assume you can go from here and change this to make it work for us?
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 13:48     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Thanks.

Again, earlier posters are being unfair regarding my use of proficient+advanced. That is what everyone uses to assess schools, inluding the Charter Board in the links provided above.



Your "everyone" doesn't include any of the parents I know. We are IB for Hardy.


The excel sheet from DCPS does not calculate advanced % for Hardy white 8th graders who took the DCCAS last year, since the sample size (9 students) is too small. Open the file and see for yourself. OP's statement that sample size for white is too small is totally confirmed.



I am one of the PPs who said the real analysis needs to focus on Advanced (well, I said Proficient, but OP understood my intent and corrected it), and I agree that with such a small group of white students at Hardy, and the resulting large variance, we better focused at combined proficient+advanced (even if they are quite different things)
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 13:43     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Thanks.

Again, earlier posters are being unfair regarding my use of proficient+advanced. That is what everyone uses to assess schools, inluding the Charter Board in the links provided above.



Your "everyone" doesn't include any of the parents I know. We are IB for Hardy.


The excel sheet from DCPS does not calculate advanced % for Hardy white 8th graders who took the DCCAS last year, since the sample size (9 students) is too small. Open the file and see for yourself. OP's statement that sample size for white is too small is totally confirmed.

Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 13:35     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Thanks.

Again, earlier posters are being unfair regarding my use of proficient+advanced. That is what everyone uses to assess schools, inluding the Charter Board in the links provided above.



Your "everyone" doesn't include any of the parents I know. We are IB for Hardy.


and it does not include learn dc on their school report cards so wish I could post a link sigh
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 13:31     Subject: Re:By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
got it
you have to go to Learndc.org
click on "report card"
you can see DC CAS numbers broken down by school
within a given year you can see grades, FARMS, race etc
sorry took me so long had to search through DCUM to find the source
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 13:29     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:OP here.

Thanks.

Again, earlier posters are being unfair regarding my use of proficient+advanced. That is what everyone uses to assess schools, inluding the Charter Board in the links provided above.



Your "everyone" doesn't include any of the parents I know. We are IB for Hardy.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 13:28     Subject: By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
OP is the above post.

Now back to (real) work.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2015 13:27     Subject: Re:By the numbers: A dispassioned evaluation of Hardy (compared to Deal and Wilson)
Anonymous wrote:that gives you the breakdown for DCPS going back to 2007 working on charters


Thanks. I have these data. I downloaded them all and made them into one, much more usable file. It is on my office machine, which I won't return to for another 13 days.