Anonymous
03/30/2015 17:16
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it is difficult situation b/c many of the kids are descendants of native Washingtonians and have families who live in MD, VA or DC. These kids are sometimes transient and are in and out of relatives house. I think many UMC white people come from a nuclear family background and don't understand that some of these kids have different family situations. That is my experience at least.
"Descendants of native Washingtonians?" Like Powhatan or Algonquian?
Gentrification has squeezed a lot of multi-generational Washingtonians out of their homes. Even parts of Ward 7&8 are not affordable for many low-income families. After reading Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The Case for Reparations", perhaps we owe these kids this education. Read the story. These discussion have lots of racial overtones to them and bear a resemblance to debates about housing restrictions and school desegregation in previous eras.
You are assuming that the residency cheaters are black. That's probably often the case. But you are also assuming that the residency cheaters are poor blacks, and that is most likely not the case. My bet would be that few or zero residency cheats qualify for FARM. They are stealing seats from DC resident FARM kids. This is not some simplistic white snowflake versus black urchin morality play. As I am sure you are aware, a small segment of black DC has done very well financially, in some cases due to govt connections, and unfortunately, through government corruption, for an even smaller subset. This phenomenon we are discussing is one in which reasonably well educated middle income people are dishonestly manipulating a govt system for their own personal gain.
Whoa. Even by DCUM standards, this racist comment is way out of line and completely unnecessary to your argument.
Good grief. Report residency fraud if that's what you think is going on and then get on with your sad life.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 17:12
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Follow them home and get back to us.Anonymous wrote:I saw the kid being picked up in a white (make/model withheld) car and I followed the car. It went right on past the DC/Maryland line. How much more proof do you need?
Obviously I followed them to a house. Duh! I didn't think I had to spell that out.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 17:02
Subject: residency cheater
Follow them home and get back to us.Anonymous wrote:I saw the kid being picked up in a white (make/model withheld) car and I followed the car. It went right on past the DC/Maryland line. How much more proof do you need?
Anonymous
03/30/2015 16:45
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think this is all a little like the voter fraud issue. The numbers of actual voter fraud are so small as to have no impact but the psychology of it is outsized and says way more about this country' s scare resources (and the lopsided dispersal of these resources) than about any real problem that needs to be solved or addressed.
+1 Like Reagan's welfare queen. She existed, but the truth was so distorted. I think this is going on with a small number of kids. Not enough to merit the attention that it gets on this board.
The overall number is statistically insignificant, but when put in the context of the individual school, it is not so insignificant It is when the cheating affects a highly sought after school where there is a limited number of spaces that it does become VERY significant. Plus, even in the cases of non-high demand schools, it is thousands of dollars being spent on a child who is not part of our tax base here.
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
I agree.
And it's not always fraud, but someones principal's "discretion." We run some numbers at our high-demand school recently, and found that over 20% of the kids in some grades a) had joined the school while living in boundary but b) no longer did. They lived elsewhere in DC, with a few in MD. This was enabled by the principal (who's now gone), who of course loved to complain over overcrowding...
Clarification - in many cases, the student in question didn't live in boundary when joining, it was an older sibling who had at some point done so.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 16:45
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:I saw the kid being picked up in a white (make/model withheld) car and I followed the car. It went right on past the DC/Maryland line. How much more proof do you need?
I would accept proof of MD residency, not just a cool story, bro.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 16:43
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think this is all a little like the voter fraud issue. The numbers of actual voter fraud are so small as to have no impact but the psychology of it is outsized and says way more about this country' s scare resources (and the lopsided dispersal of these resources) than about any real problem that needs to be solved or addressed.
+1 Like Reagan's welfare queen. She existed, but the truth was so distorted. I think this is going on with a small number of kids. Not enough to merit the attention that it gets on this board.
The overall number is statistically insignificant, but when put in the context of the individual school, it is not so insignificant It is when the cheating affects a highly sought after school where there is a limited number of spaces that it does become VERY significant. Plus, even in the cases of non-high demand schools, it is thousands of dollars being spent on a child who is not part of our tax base here.
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
I agree.
And it's not always fraud, but someones principal's "discretion." We run some numbers at our high-demand school recently, and found that over 20% of the kids in some grades a) had joined the school while living in boundary but b) no longer did. They lived elsewhere in DC, with a few in MD. This was enabled by the principal (who's now gone), who of course loved to complain over overcrowding...
Anonymous
03/30/2015 16:36
Subject: residency cheater
I saw the kid being picked up in a white (make/model withheld) car and I followed the car. It went right on past the DC/Maryland line. How much more proof do you need?
Anonymous
03/30/2015 16:31
Subject: residency cheater
I want follow up. Were they cheating or no?
Anonymous
03/30/2015 14:46
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:You do know that a person has every right to face their accuser and when they found out that you snitched. Oh! Well just be prepared for a scuffle in the school yard. Remember there's no confidential agreement signed with DCPS employees so...when the gossop-mill starts which is usually pretty accurate information. Then it is onn like Donkey-Kong.
I like you.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 14:42
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Voter fraud is a fine comparison, because it is the kind of issue that most of us don't care enough to do something about as a whole, however, if we saw someone clearly voting by fraud, all of us would certainly bring it to the voting proctor's attention.
So yeah, maybe the fact that everyone on this site is up in arms about the OP's experience is a little blown out of proportion. But it doesn't change the fact that under this example (or the voting fraud example) where OP has pretty good certainty that someone is cheating, that OP should bring it to the attention of the appropriate authorities. Doesn't matter if the issue is significantly minor overall -- if you have a pretty certain case, then it should be dealt with.
So yeah, maybe the fact that everyone on this site is up in arms about the OP's experience is a little blown out of proportion. But it doesn't change the fact that under this example (or the voting fraud example) where OP has pretty good certainty that someone is cheating, that OP should bring it to the attention of the appropriate authorities. Doesn't matter if the issue is significantly minor overall -- if you have a pretty certain case, then it should be dealt with.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 14:29
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think this is all a little like the voter fraud issue. The numbers of actual voter fraud are so small as to have no impact but the psychology of it is outsized and says way more about this country' s scare resources (and the lopsided dispersal of these resources) than about any real problem that needs to be solved or addressed.
+1 Like Reagan's welfare queen. She existed, but the truth was so distorted. I think this is going on with a small number of kids. Not enough to merit the attention that it gets on this board.
The overall number is statistically insignificant, but when put in the context of the individual school, it is not so insignificant It is when the cheating affects a highly sought after school where there is a limited number of spaces that it does become VERY significant. Plus, even in the cases of non-high demand schools, it is thousands of dollars being spent on a child who is not part of our tax base here.
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
+1 Voter fraud is a bad comparison. There are statistically significant numbers of out-of-state kids in SOME DC schools. It's true. I think a few principals have the attitude that they will educate the kids that come to them as long as they have somehow managed to check off the right boxes. These principals are not proactive about following up on residency fraud.
But if I saw someone vote and then get back in line and try to vote again, I certainly would say something.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 13:47
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think this is all a little like the voter fraud issue. The numbers of actual voter fraud are so small as to have no impact but the psychology of it is outsized and says way more about this country' s scare resources (and the lopsided dispersal of these resources) than about any real problem that needs to be solved or addressed.
+1 Like Reagan's welfare queen. She existed, but the truth was so distorted. I think this is going on with a small number of kids. Not enough to merit the attention that it gets on this board.
The overall number is statistically insignificant, but when put in the context of the individual school, it is not so insignificant It is when the cheating affects a highly sought after school where there is a limited number of spaces that it does become VERY significant. Plus, even in the cases of non-high demand schools, it is thousands of dollars being spent on a child who is not part of our tax base here.
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Anonymous
03/30/2015 13:29
Subject: Re:residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:I think this is all a little like the voter fraud issue. The numbers of actual voter fraud are so small as to have no impact but the psychology of it is outsized and says way more about this country' s scare resources (and the lopsided dispersal of these resources) than about any real problem that needs to be solved or addressed.
+1 Like Reagan's welfare queen. She existed, but the truth was so distorted. I think this is going on with a small number of kids. Not enough to merit the attention that it gets on this board.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 13:23
Subject: Re:residency cheater
I think this is all a little like the voter fraud issue. The numbers of actual voter fraud are so small as to have no impact but the psychology of it is outsized and says way more about this country' s scare resources (and the lopsided dispersal of these resources) than about any real problem that needs to be solved or addressed.
Anonymous
03/30/2015 13:06
Subject: residency cheater
Anonymous wrote:You do know that a person has every right to face their accuser and when they found out that you snitched. Oh! Well just be prepared for a scuffle in the school yard. Remember there's no confidential agreement signed with DCPS employees so...when the gossop-mill starts which is usually pretty accurate information. Then it is onn like Donkey-Kong.
Yo, REPRESENT!