Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:57
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Actually, you don't have those rights. You don't have a right to be comfortable, anywhere. I understand that what you mean is that you wish to be comfortable and expect that sex-segregated facilities will provide the comfort you seek. But you don't have a right to that. The gym has a policy about gender identity, and your personal comfort does not trump that policy.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:55
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Not pp, but where do you suggest intersex people change? And what criteria would you use for your designation?
(I'd bet you don't even know what intersex means)
Why are you being rude? The criteria, in my opinion, should be external genitalia.
Can you answer the question?
Also, what gym has ever asked to see your external genitalia before becoming a member? Because I would really like to avoid that gym. Or any gym with members, male or female, man or woman, that likes to check out my genitalia in the locker room.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:54
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
I think you're overestimating your "rights."
I'm baffled how many of you notice other people's genitals in a locker room. You all are the creepy, pervy ones.
I have a right to be reasonably comfortable. We all do. That is why we have decency laws. Men are generally not allowed in female designated bathrooms/changing areas. I don't really see why this should be an exception.
You're mixing up gender and sex. Men/Women = gender; male/female = sex.
The person in question at Planet Fitness was a transgender woman (though it appears genetically male). But I've never joined a gym that either looked at my genitals, or made me take a chromosome test.
I would say if you want to be reasonably comfortable, change in a stall, or at home. Because since no one is violating you, your ideas of "reasonable comfort" do not appear to be rational.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:53
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Not pp, but where do you suggest intersex people change? And what criteria would you use for your designation?
(I'd bet you don't even know what intersex means)
Why are you being rude? The criteria, in my opinion, should be external genitalia.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:51
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
I think you're overestimating your "rights."
I'm baffled how many of you notice other people's genitals in a locker room. You all are the creepy, pervy ones.
I have a right to be reasonably comfortable. We all do. That is why we have decency laws. Men are generally not allowed in female designated bathrooms/changing areas. I don't really see why this should be an exception.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:47
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Not pp, but where do you suggest intersex people change? And what criteria would you use for your designation?
(I'd bet you don't even know what intersex means)
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:45
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
If you feel that way, there are plenty of other gyms that support your position and you are welcome to use any of them. The Planet Fitness policy is as stated. So, if you are not comfortable with it, pick another gym to exercise in.
I will be, obviously.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:44
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
I knew when I typed that that some idiot would feel the need to correct me. You know what the hell I mean.
Men and women are different. Some women are uncomfortable changing under the eyes of strange men, and vice versa. If I don't see your penis, fine, but if I do I will be uncomfortable. I think I have a right to not be put in that position in the ladies dressing room. I understand that transgender people have their own fears and threats, but I don't think the solution is to say screw the comfort of everyone else.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:42
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
If you feel that way, there are plenty of other gyms that support your position and you are welcome to use any of them. The Planet Fitness policy is as stated. So, if you are not comfortable with it, pick another gym to exercise in.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:40
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
I think you're overestimating your "rights."
I'm baffled how many of you notice other people's genitals in a locker room. You all are the creepy, pervy ones.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:38
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
What is that reason?
Also, vaginas are internal. If you're going about your business in the locker room, and the other people are going about their business in the locker room, you're not going to be seeing any vaginas.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:33
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
I'm as liberal and PC as the next person, but I think I have a right to reasonably expect the female locker room to be for vaginas. I have a right to be comfortable too, and a penis in the locker room would definitely make me uncomfortable. You can say its a personal failing, but we have separate bathrooms for a reason.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:30
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No, he's not. He's a transgender woman. That's the actual medical term for the person you describe. It's not magic, it's science.
Someone with a Y chromosome is a man.
That's science.
No, someone with a Y chromosome is male or possibly intersex. Gender is in the brain; sex is in the chromosomes. Please return your GED.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:28
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Does he leave the toilet seat up? I'd be pissed if that happened in the ladies room.
Anonymous
03/09/2015 15:27
Subject: Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No, he's not. He's a transgender woman. That's the actual medical term for the person you describe. It's not magic, it's science.
Someone with a Y chromosome is a man.
That's science.
No, that's not science. Science is a little more complicated than that.
http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome