Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 20:49     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
In college, the poor often do better because they don't have much money to go to party/other social lives --- they keep working hard and prepare for TOFEL/GRE, and they come to US


Which college(s) are you getting your statistics from? Harvard, UMD, Montgomery College, MIT, UMBC, Stanford


Stats from people I know of. Yes, Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Columbia University professors, UMD ? what is that ?


What the actual data show:

whether a student graduates or not seems to depend today almost entirely on just one factor — how much money his or her parents make. To put it in blunt terms: Rich kids graduate; poor and working-class kids don’t. Or to put it more statistically: About a quarter of college freshmen born into the bottom half of the income distribution will manage to collect a bachelor’s degree by age 24, while almost 90 percent of freshmen born into families in the top income quartile will go on to finish their degree.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/magazine/who-gets-to-graduate.html
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 20:47     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Very true ! In China, top colleges like Tsinghua and PKU often see more students from poor area and poor families, because they are willing to put up the hard work, and this is the way to get out from poverty. Here, we often see W schools students (from wealthy families) are doing better. What is wrong with America ?


In China, wealthy people don't use their wealth to buy their child access to better preschools, schools, academies, and universities? What an exceptional country.


College admissions are based on entrance exam results, you can't buy it. Poor or rich the very same test.


But you can buy everything else.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 20:43     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
PS: UMD=University of Maryland
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 20:42     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
I did not know the poor, as a whole, in colleges performed better than the middle and upper classes. Thanks for your revolutionary statistics. Now If only you can translate your personal anecdotes into peer-reviewed references, I might buy your story.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 20:38     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
Anonymous wrote:
In college, the poor often do better because they don't have much money to go to party/other social lives --- they keep working hard and prepare for TOFEL/GRE, and they come to US


Which college(s) are you getting your statistics from? Harvard, UMD, Montgomery College, MIT, UMBC, Stanford


Stats from people I know of. Yes, Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Columbia University professors, UMD ? what is that ?
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 20:35     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Very true ! In China, top colleges like Tsinghua and PKU often see more students from poor area and poor families, because they are willing to put up the hard work, and this is the way to get out from poverty. Here, we often see W schools students (from wealthy families) are doing better. What is wrong with America ?


Very likely those poorer students are very bright, so their studying enables them to do well. A smart kid who studies hard will succeed. Being poor doesn't mean that a child isn't bright.


Being poor may have more incentive to work harder to succeed, that was the point.


But not everyone succeeds, even though they may work extremely hard. Just working hard alone will not be enough. Working hard is most successful if one is also very intelligent.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 20:33     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
In college, the poor often do better because they don't have much money to go to party/other social lives --- they keep working hard and prepare for TOFEL/GRE, and they come to US


Which college(s) are you getting your statistics from? Harvard, UMD, Montgomery College, MIT, UMBC, Stanford
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 20:32     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Very true ! In China, top colleges like Tsinghua and PKU often see more students from poor area and poor families, because they are willing to put up the hard work, and this is the way to get out from poverty. Here, we often see W schools students (from wealthy families) are doing better. What is wrong with America ?


Very likely those poorer students are very bright, so their studying enables them to do well. A smart kid who studies hard will succeed. Being poor doesn't mean that a child isn't bright.


Being poor may have more incentive to work harder to succeed, that was the point.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 20:28     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
Anonymous wrote:
Very true ! In China, top colleges like Tsinghua and PKU often see more students from poor area and poor families, because they are willing to put up the hard work, and this is the way to get out from poverty. Here, we often see W schools students (from wealthy families) are doing better. What is wrong with America ?


Very likely those poorer students are very bright, so their studying enables them to do well. A smart kid who studies hard will succeed. Being poor doesn't mean that a child isn't bright.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 20:05     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
Anonymous wrote:
College admissions are based on entrance exam results, you can't buy it. Poor or rich the very same test.


Agree, but some can buy the next best thing --- year round tutoring for the almighty test


In college, the poor often do better because they don't have much money to go to party/other social lives --- they keep working hard and prepare for TOFEL/GRE, and they come to US
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 19:58     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
College admissions are based on entrance exam results, you can't buy it. Poor or rich the very same test.


Agree, but some can buy the next best thing --- year round tutoring for the almighty test
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 19:57     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
Accommodations made for individuals at the tail end (2 to 3 standard deviations away from the mean are NOT independent of peer group. Do you think students at the tails are NOT peers?
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 19:56     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Very true ! In China, top colleges like Tsinghua and PKU often see more students from poor area and poor families, because they are willing to put up the hard work, and this is the way to get out from poverty. Here, we often see W schools students (from wealthy families) are doing better. What is wrong with America ?


In China, wealthy people don't use their wealth to buy their child access to better preschools, schools, academies, and universities? What an exceptional country.


College admissions are based on entrance exam results, you can't buy it. Poor or rich the very same test.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 19:55     Subject: Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
My kid got into both the programs. He loves STEM as much as he loves writing and literature. Why can't he have both?

Why curtail his interest at 6th grade to only STEM or Humanities?

So, now even if my kid chooses one stream - I will be supplementing to make up for the gap in the other stream at home.

At the very least - let the magnet curriculum, readings, projects, homework and assignment be online for all students to emulate if they want. Why not?
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2015 19:54     Subject: Re:Prep classes for HGC and MS magnet tests
Anonymous wrote:So, why can't accommodations for the fastest be made within one solid excellent curriculum for all in STEM and the humanities? These ends are not mutually exclusive. have you heard of block scheduling in schools to permit some flexibility for the tail ends.


It is about other factors, including perhaps most importantly, the peer group.