Anonymous
05/02/2013 21:44
Subject: AAP Eligible letter received
Work samples do not trump everything else. They are one part of the total package. It's a chance to show a more complete picture of the child.
This is nothing new, work samples have been part of the AAP package for years.
This is nothing new, work samples have been part of the AAP package for years.
Anonymous
05/02/2013 21:43
Subject: AAP Eligible letter received
If its a tiebreaker, fine. But not the primary determinant. You seem to be agreeing with my point.
Anonymous
05/02/2013 21:36
Subject: AAP Eligible letter received
Anonymous wrote:A few cherry picked writing samples determine whether a child gets into AAP? Really? I find that hard to believe.
I would weigh a test, even if given just one day, much more heavily than a few select representative writing samples. Especially if another test is repeated the following year.
Unless that is some amazing writing sample, which probably applies to a very small percentage of children.
I wouldn't - especially if the test scores are inconclusive (borderline) - you need a tie-breaker so to speak.
Anonymous
05/02/2013 21:34
Subject: Re:AAP Eligible letter received
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PP, had great work samples including fourth grade level math (solving multiple step multiplication and division problems) and a very well written essay.
So what? Since when work samples trump everything else?
Since the screening committee became aware of the extent of prepping for the tests, so they place more emphasis on other evidence.
My child's teacher submitted writing samples that showed the ability to think about and formulate ideas in a mature way. One essay had won an essay contest judged by the school's outside business sponsor.
If that's the case, then why the lower GBRS? Or the not-so-perfect report card grades? Why a WISC of 120? If everything else points to an OK (but not stellar) performer, I don't think that any kind of work samples should matter...
Sorry, I posted the bolded post and I am not the same as the earlier poster.
Work samples, especially those produced at school, are important because they show what the child actually can do and give insight into how the child thinks. While a test is only one day, work samples are produced over time. Writing samples are particularly useful in showing a child's thought process. They're worthwhile in that they help to give a fuller picture of the types of behaviors the child is exhibiting in class.
I am sorry but the above-mentioned performance metrics do not represent "one day"! NNAT, FxAT, WISC, even the report card, all are consistent in range and point to a good student but not a great one... How can some selected samples of work trump everything else? It makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
Anonymous
05/02/2013 21:29
Subject: AAP Eligible letter received
They use many different types of work samples, including science and math work. Writing samples were just one example mentioned.
Tests are fine, but they have limitations. The more data points to look at, the better.
Tests are fine, but they have limitations. The more data points to look at, the better.
Anonymous
05/02/2013 21:23
Subject: AAP Eligible letter received
A few cherry picked writing samples determine whether a child gets into AAP? Really? I find that hard to believe.
I would weigh a test, even if given just one day, much more heavily than a few select representative writing samples. Especially if another test is repeated the following year.
Unless that is some amazing writing sample, which probably applies to a very small percentage of children.
I would weigh a test, even if given just one day, much more heavily than a few select representative writing samples. Especially if another test is repeated the following year.
Unless that is some amazing writing sample, which probably applies to a very small percentage of children.
Anonymous
05/02/2013 21:21
Subject: AAP Eligible letter received
Anonymous wrote:Many children could not shown their thinking process in their writings! I teach in college and many of my best students are not good writers at all. They formulate innovative hypothesis, do great experiment, solve problems, and logically put all things together; however, their writings are sub-bar. Some even need help from writing centers. Many great writers cannot do these. That is why there are different majors. Using writing samples to judge potential is too narrow. As a science teacher, I see testing score as a much better predictor than writing samples.
depends on the content of the writings: do they think "big thoughts?" This emphasis on the craft of writing well is misplaced.
I think many of these high scorers on tests don't necessarily think big thoughts, exhibit a sense of humor etc. These are hallmarks of the type of kids they want in the program.
Anonymous
05/02/2013 21:15
Subject: AAP Eligible letter received
Many children could not shown their thinking process in their writings! I teach in college and many of my best students are not good writers at all. They formulate innovative hypothesis, do great experiment, solve problems, and logically put all things together; however, their writings are sub-bar. Some even need help from writing centers. Many great writers cannot do these. That is why there are different majors. Using writing samples to judge potential is too narrow. As a science teacher, I see testing score as a much better predictor than writing samples.
Anonymous
05/02/2013 21:00
Subject: AAP Eligible letter received
Work samples can also show potential. It's not so much about current performance as it is about giving a fuller picture of the child. Being able to see more about the child than simply performance on one test gives the committee a better chance to see whether the child is exhibiting the behaviors seen in a child who needs AAP. The more insight into how the child acts and thinks, the better chance to see the potential there.
Anonymous
05/02/2013 20:50
Subject: AAP Eligible letter received
What is WISE?
Anonymous
05/02/2013 20:49
Subject: AAP Eligible letter received
I thought at this age, potential should be focus instead of the produced work? Do kids really consistently perform at similar level from age 7 to 18? My experience is no. That is why potential should outweigh current performance. However, we see many kids with high potential rejected!
Anonymous
05/02/2013 20:47
Subject: Re:AAP Eligible letter received
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PP, had great work samples including fourth grade level math (solving multiple step multiplication and division problems) and a very well written essay.
So what? Since when work samples trump everything else?
Since the screening committee became aware of the extent of prepping for the tests, so they place more emphasis on other evidence.
My child's teacher submitted writing samples that showed the ability to think about and formulate ideas in a mature way. One essay had won an essay contest judged by the school's outside business sponsor.
If that's the case, then why the lower GBRS? Or the not-so-perfect report card grades? Why a WISC of 120? If everything else points to an OK (but not stellar) performer, I don't think that any kind of work samples should matter...
Sorry, I posted the bolded post and I am not the same as the earlier poster.
Work samples, especially those produced at school, are important because they show what the child actually can do and give insight into how the child thinks. While a test is only one day, work samples are produced over time. Writing samples are particularly useful in showing a child's thought process. They're worthwhile in that they help to give a fuller picture of the types of behaviors the child is exhibiting in class.
thank you, I have one more qe. did you take a test in GMU for WISE????
Anonymous
05/02/2013 20:37
Subject: Re:AAP Eligible letter received
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:PP, had great work samples including fourth grade level math (solving multiple step multiplication and division problems) and a very well written essay.
So what? Since when work samples trump everything else?
Since the screening committee became aware of the extent of prepping for the tests, so they place more emphasis on other evidence.
My child's teacher submitted writing samples that showed the ability to think about and formulate ideas in a mature way. One essay had won an essay contest judged by the school's outside business sponsor.
If that's the case, then why the lower GBRS? Or the not-so-perfect report card grades? Why a WISC of 120? If everything else points to an OK (but not stellar) performer, I don't think that any kind of work samples should matter...
Sorry, I posted the bolded post and I am not the same as the earlier poster.
Work samples, especially those produced at school, are important because they show what the child actually can do and give insight into how the child thinks. While a test is only one day, work samples are produced over time. Writing samples are particularly useful in showing a child's thought process. They're worthwhile in that they help to give a fuller picture of the types of behaviors the child is exhibiting in class.
Anonymous
05/02/2013 20:36
Subject: Re:AAP Eligible letter received
Anonymous wrote:DC ACCEPTED. 83% FAT, 121 NNAT, GBRS 11, Wisc 120. Mostly 3s, two 4s, and a couple of 2s on report card. Parent referral.
give me a Tip!! how could you DC in?
What kind parents referral????
My Dc not in
97/95/almost 4
don't know GBRS
Anonymous
05/02/2013 20:09
Subject: Re:AAP Eligible letter received
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wroteC ACCEPTED. 83% FAT, 121 NNAT, GBRS 11, Wisc 120. Mostly 3s, two 4s, and a couple of 2s on report card. Parent referral.
That was my DC. Again, work samples can trup everything. AART had some amazing work samples for my DC and I assume that the panel saw them and realized test scores were not an accurate reflection of the ability/intelligence level. Thank goodness the AART at our school cared!
You're lucky. Most of them don't unless you're a one of those annoying suck up parents.