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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

You’re doing a lot of mental gymnastics to sell promotion in a system with different age cutoffs. Is it possible? Well, my kid isn’t yet 10 so it’s possible for him to be the next Messi. Extremely unlikely, but I guess anything is possible.

Again... (and this is just an example)

MLSN could create a new category called "conversion player" where older SY players are allowed to play down in BY. This would give new SY to BY MLS1 clubs an initial advantage which would age out over time.

Point is theres all kinds of ways MLS can make BY and SY leagues work together. The only real requirement is that MLS1 is considered Tier 1 so theres demand.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't think you can be promoted to the 1st team from the 2nd team, you are doing your child a disservice. Your child may not have the habits to develop into a 1st team player but you are selling your child short on the 1st team or bust bandwagon. My kid was no where near a 1st-3rd team baller when we started and we comfortably play MLS Next 1 now.

You obviously don’t have an August-December child. Going from B to A in the same age group is doable, going from B to A and skipping an age group is a totally different situation.

Anonymous wrote:If you don't think you can be promoted to the 1st team from the 2nd team, you are doing your child a disservice. Your child may not have the habits to develop into a 1st team player but you are selling your child short on the 1st team or bust bandwagon. My kid was no where near a 1st-3rd team baller when we started and we comfortably play MLS Next 1 now.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

Sure and that club would then have to deal with 2 registration dates and limit the ability to sell 2nd team kids movement to the first team.

You're literally desperate to make this into a thing

It is pretty obvious that they're an ECNL hat.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

Sure and that club would then have to deal with 2 registration dates and limit the ability to sell 2nd team kids movement to the first team.

You're literally desperate to make this into a thing

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

Sure and that club would then have to deal with 2 registration dates and limit the ability to sell 2nd team kids movement to the first team.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

You’re doing a lot of mental gymnastics to sell promotion in a system with different age cutoffs. Is it possible? Well, my kid isn’t yet 10 so it’s possible for him to be the next Messi. Extremely unlikely, but I guess anything is possible.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

Sure and that club would then have to deal with 2 registration dates and limit the ability to sell 2nd team kids movement to the first team.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

How could you have pro/rel if you don't have MLSN1?

Because our club (and the rest of clubs of our area) were told that joining MLSN2 would be a first step to next season 2026/27 the teams qualifying to promote towards MLSN1.

Now that we know MLSN2 is a dead end, we'd better move to ECNL.

You have your ECNL hat on too tight.

Nobody is stopping you from joining a 2nd tier league.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.