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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

I know you mean well but this is a very good example of privilege. My children are biracial so no I will not have them around family members who lie and say Jan 6 was BLM and antifa or that the proud boys and unite the right rally are good things. You dont love me or my partner or children if you support politicians/polices/lies that threaten their safety and deny them basic humanity. This is not an intellectual exercise for many people. These are our lives.

DP. My children are also biracial and the URM side of the family is MAGA (or at least Trump voters), largely due to religious beliefs.

Never had anything said or done that threatens their safety or denied their basic humanity.

YMMV

Are you the white parent? As a biracial woman myself, trust me when I tell you, your children have a different racial experience than you. They feel and notice things that you do not, that you cannot. And a time will likely come where they inform you that they have absolutely experienced racism from your MAGA family. And they will spend lots of money on therapy coming to terms with the fact that their own parent cared more about keeping the peace with these people than protecting them.

PP said it was the URM side of the family who is MAGA. PP says it’s based on religious beliefs so you can guess which URM they are talking about. So no the MAGA side isn’t being racist, they are the URMs!

+1000

Just stop with the myth of MAGA is racist. Tons of BIPOC people voted for trump. Latinx people voted for trump. Even LGTBQIA++ people support trump.

Anonymous wrote:I mean, you probably currently live in an area where everyone is liberal and loud about it. So which would be worse?

Definitely maga spewing their fox talking points without the ability to critically think

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

I know you mean well but this is a very good example of privilege. My children are biracial so no I will not have them around family members who lie and say Jan 6 was BLM and antifa or that the proud boys and unite the right rally are good things. You dont love me or my partner or children if you support politicians/polices/lies that threaten their safety and deny them basic humanity. This is not an intellectual exercise for many people. These are our lives.

DP. My children are also biracial and the URM side of the family is MAGA (or at least Trump voters), largely due to religious beliefs.

Never had anything said or done that threatens their safety or denied their basic humanity.

YMMV

Are you the white parent? As a biracial woman myself, trust me when I tell you, your children have a different racial experience than you. They feel and notice things that you do not, that you cannot. And a time will likely come where they inform you that they have absolutely experienced racism from your MAGA family. And they will spend lots of money on therapy coming to terms with the fact that their own parent cared more about keeping the peace with these people than protecting them.

PP said it was the URM side of the family who is MAGA. PP says it’s based on religious beliefs so you can guess which URM they are talking about. So no the MAGA side isn’t being racist, they are the URMs!

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

I know you mean well but this is a very good example of privilege. My children are biracial so no I will not have them around family members who lie and say Jan 6 was BLM and antifa or that the proud boys and unite the right rally are good things. You dont love me or my partner or children if you support politicians/polices/lies that threaten their safety and deny them basic humanity. This is not an intellectual exercise for many people. These are our lives.

DP. My children are also biracial and the URM side of the family is MAGA (or at least Trump voters), largely due to religious beliefs.

Never had anything said or done that threatens their safety or denied their basic humanity.

YMMV

Good lord. Them voting for the party that embraces and promotes racism and violence is the exact act that threatens their safety and denies them their basic humanity.

MAGA defenders are NUTS@!@@

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

I know you mean well but this is a very good example of privilege. My children are biracial so no I will not have them around family members who lie and say Jan 6 was BLM and antifa or that the proud boys and unite the right rally are good things. You dont love me or my partner or children if you support politicians/polices/lies that threaten their safety and deny them basic humanity. This is not an intellectual exercise for many people. These are our lives.

DP. My children are also biracial and the URM side of the family is MAGA (or at least Trump voters), largely due to religious beliefs.

Never had anything said or done that threatens their safety or denied their basic humanity.

YMMV

Are you the white parent? As a biracial woman myself, trust me when I tell you, your children have a different racial experience than you. They feel and notice things that you do not, that you cannot. And a time will likely come where they inform you that they have absolutely experienced racism from your MAGA family. And they will spend lots of money on therapy coming to terms with the fact that their own parent cared more about keeping the peace with these people than protecting them.

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

I can't believe people like you continue to act as though politics doesn’t have real life impact and doesn't reflect real life values. Deciding that someone's values are enough of a mismatch for my own that I don't want to associate with that person is normal. We all do it. Just because someone shares some genes with me doesn't mean I have to associate with them, no matter how detectable their views or how harmful their decisions. Tolerance doesn't mean I have to have you at my Thanksgiving table.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

I know you mean well but this is a very good example of privilege. My children are biracial so no I will not have them around family members who lie and say Jan 6 was BLM and antifa or that the proud boys and unite the right rally are good things. You dont love me or my partner or children if you support politicians/polices/lies that threaten their safety and deny them basic humanity. This is not an intellectual exercise for many people. These are our lives.

DP. My children are also biracial and the URM side of the family is MAGA (or at least Trump voters), largely due to religious beliefs.

Never had anything said or done that threatens their safety or denied their basic humanity.

YMMV

To your face. They have never said it to your face. But you could end up like me (DP) and find out it was said outside your earshot.

We made it almost 10 years. But once you hear it, you can’t unhear it.

Anonymous wrote:Wondering what hate sounds like, check out the look Politico story. Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat - “Thousands of private messages reveal young GOP leaders joking about gas chambers, slavery and rape.”

Sometimes it’s safer to distance yourself from people who normalize hateful language that dehumanizes others.

I was thinking of this thread when I read that article. These are the types of family members people are removing from their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

I know you mean well but this is a very good example of privilege. My children are biracial so no I will not have them around family members who lie and say Jan 6 was BLM and antifa or that the proud boys and unite the right rally are good things. You dont love me or my partner or children if you support politicians/polices/lies that threaten their safety and deny them basic humanity. This is not an intellectual exercise for many people. These are our lives.

DP. My children are also biracial and the URM side of the family is MAGA (or at least Trump voters), largely due to religious beliefs.

Never had anything said or done that threatens their safety or denied their basic humanity.

YMMV

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

I know you mean well but this is a very good example of privilege. My children are biracial so no I will not have them around family members who lie and say Jan 6 was BLM and antifa or that the proud boys and unite the right rally are good things. You dont love me or my partner or children if you support politicians/polices/lies that threaten their safety and deny them basic humanity. This is not an intellectual exercise for many people. These are our lives.

One summer I let my kids visit their grandparents with their dad in Alabama. My son- I can’t believe it to this day- came back and referred to “the war between the states.”

That’s when I put my foot down.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

Uncle Larlo values roughing up people and denying you a right to speak based on your values or your identity, but it’s fine to politely ask to please pass the turkey.

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

Uncle Larlo values roughing up people and denying you a right to speak based on your values, but it’s fine to politely ask to please pass the turkey.

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe anyone allows politics to keep them apart from family. Truly. And I feel reasonably strongly about my politics. But love for my family and my desire for my children to grow up near grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins is far stronger than anything else. Teach your kids that people have different values and different opinions, and that we don't slice out of our lives people who have different perspectives.

Sure. I do. And, family events include and become conversations about values.

At a recent family dinner, my 17 year old nephew casually said “so, I guess we just won’t talk about Uncle X’s racist comment.”