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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

I live a fairly good life as I know that every moment I have to live is precious.

The anger and misery come from the mythology believers trying to impose their fictions on my life.

"impose their fictions on my life."

EXCEPT no one is doing that to you at all. Its totally all in your head.

There are entire states trying to push Christian curriculum into public schools. Certain US Supreme Court justices make no secret that their religion impacts how they rule. They were in fact chosen because of their religious beliefs, in a nation that is supposed to have separation of church and state.

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While this gets pointed out repeatedly, there is almost always some ignorant believer who will post that their beliefs aren't harming anyone.

Well unless THEY are Christian Nationalists or whatever is pushing curricula, SCOTUS, etc. then THEY are being accurate. It's stupid to confound any belief with the nutjob agenda.

People only break into countries built by Christians. They follow white Christians everywhere. It's annoying.

lol shots fired

Anonymous wrote:Hey I think we’ve made great progress here. We have at least one theist admitting they do not care if what they believe is true or not.

Not only is this is a thing atheists can completely agree with, I can’t think of a way it can be argued.

Kinda game over for the debate.

Then I guess there is no reason for atheists to troll here anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

+1M Atheists are indeed very angry and combative to try and "prove" the religious people wrong on here. Things that make you go hmmmm.

You can take as many personal shots as you like. I don't think any atheists here are angry, except maybe about one thing:

How you believers often won't answer simple questions.

I am not saying your beliefs are wrong. I am asking how you justify them since there seems to be no significant evidence for them. If you take that as "trying" to "prove you wrong", well, that's your issue. This is a discussion forum, after all, and if you're not prepared to discuss things, maybe you should not participate in discussion?

I would encourage you to grow up and if you are going to engage be prepared to explain your religious beliefs the same way you might with someone who disagreed with you on any other topic on DCUM. Gardening, colleges, investing, health, and yes, politics.

Okay. How would you talk about college with someone who didn’t believe that a college education existed?

Someone who thinks that people pay a lot of money and go to college for four years in order to maintain some kind of social standing and to be accepted into their families who might otherwise shun them, or at least be very disappointed and bring it up frequently. That the families are upset not because they care about their family member and believe they would benefit from a college education, but because they have been brainwashed into thinking a college education is real.

However, this person tells you, there isn’t actually anything that is real or valuable happening at colleges or universities. Their main function is in brainwashing the people who attend into thinking they have some kind of value, and anyone with any kind of critical thinking skills could see that higher education is a sham.

How would you respond to these people? And what if every thread on the college board was overrun by them?

Show them a degree. Solid proof of a college education. Show them job postings requiring that education.

Also, every thread in this forum isn't over run by athiests. That's a big stretch.

There are athiests and people mocking religion on nearly every single thread.
It’s really more or less unusable for actually talking about religion.

You’re not counting this thread, are you?

No. But probably 75% of the threads on here have posts from atheists. The other 25% are mostly logistical.

It would be nice if you could talk to someone who is of a different faith or people who are questioning their faith. But instead the whole forum is rendered more or less useless by atheist trolls.

You can always talk to people of other faiths here and just ignore the atheists. And regarding people who are questioning their faith -- it seems good for them to hear all perspectives -the various types of faith and also no faith.

Hey I think we’ve made great progress here. We have at least one theist admitting they do not care if what they believe is true or not.

Not only is this is a thing atheists can completely agree with, I can’t think of a way it can be argued.

Kinda game over for the debate.

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

+1M Atheists are indeed very angry and combative to try and "prove" the religious people wrong on here. Things that make you go hmmmm.

You can take as many personal shots as you like. I don't think any atheists here are angry, except maybe about one thing:

How you believers often won't answer simple questions.

I am not saying your beliefs are wrong. I am asking how you justify them since there seems to be no significant evidence for them. If you take that as "trying" to "prove you wrong", well, that's your issue. This is a discussion forum, after all, and if you're not prepared to discuss things, maybe you should not participate in discussion?

I would encourage you to grow up and if you are going to engage be prepared to explain your religious beliefs the same way you might with someone who disagreed with you on any other topic on DCUM. Gardening, colleges, investing, health, and yes, politics.

Many non-believers do believe that believers are "wrong"...hence the use of terms like "idiots", "sheep", etc. etc. to describe them, as well as terms like "sky fairies" to poke fun at someone's beliefs. Don't ask believers to "grow up", when non-believers are also exhibiting childish behavior that you apparently don't like.

The justification is Faith. Period. Either you accept that, or you don't.

I don't accept that. I did, for a long time. I had religious faith too. Then I thought about it, very seriously, and studied it, as I have studied many subjects. I realized that I really wanted to go to heaven and live forever. And eventually, I realized that heaven made no sense.

I’m sorry, but this gets such an eye roll from me. You studied many subjects and eventually discovered that thousands of years of philosophy have been wrong, and the only thing that makes sense is that you are the most important being in the universe.

Okay.

Thank you for sharing your story with the rest of us peons. Why would we be spending any time reading the story of God when we could be learning more about YOU, pp?

DP. Yes thousands of years of outdated beliefs have been proven wrong when better methods/knowledge were discovered. I'm sorry you can't see that. I'm glad that I did see that finally in HS learning how the world actually works (at a catholic school nonetheless!).

-signed huge science/astronomy nerd fascinated with the origins of the universe

Sure. We can change our beliefs about the observable universe with new information. I also like science/astronomy. I have an MD and a PhD in neuroscience. But as many people have said, faith and God are outside of our observation unless we look within ourselves.

I don’t think it’s an accident that the pp did “some reading” and concluded that it was impossible that there ever has been, is now, or could ever be, anything more important than herself. I’m sure that she needed that belief for some reason. But I very much doubt that most people who did the “reading” that she did would come to the same conclusion she did! The fact that you can’t believe in God, but you have complete faith in that poster’s conclusions is ridiculous.

The only reason I can imagine you would believe her is that it confirms your own needed belief that there is nothing bigger or more important than yourself and no reason to do anything other than what you feel like doing.

How convenient to think that faith and God are outside of our observation unless we look within ourselves!

Whatever. You say that you want more proof, but if God came down here Himself and told you that there He existed and there is something in the Universe that mattered more than you do, you wouldn’t believe Him.
So what do you expect anyone else to say?

You can’t let go of your belief in your own divinity and you aren’t even willing to try. There is no reason to argue with you.

DP. I think nearly all atheists would say if they were shown evidence of a god they’d change their position immediately. They might not worship the god, depending on which one it was or its virtues, but they’d believe. They’d have to. I know I would.

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

+1M Atheists are indeed very angry and combative to try and "prove" the religious people wrong on here. Things that make you go hmmmm.

You can take as many personal shots as you like. I don't think any atheists here are angry, except maybe about one thing:

How you believers often won't answer simple questions.

I am not saying your beliefs are wrong. I am asking how you justify them since there seems to be no significant evidence for them. If you take that as "trying" to "prove you wrong", well, that's your issue. This is a discussion forum, after all, and if you're not prepared to discuss things, maybe you should not participate in discussion?

I would encourage you to grow up and if you are going to engage be prepared to explain your religious beliefs the same way you might with someone who disagreed with you on any other topic on DCUM. Gardening, colleges, investing, health, and yes, politics.

Many non-believers do believe that believers are "wrong"...hence the use of terms like "idiots", "sheep", etc. etc. to describe them, as well as terms like "sky fairies" to poke fun at someone's beliefs. Don't ask believers to "grow up", when non-believers are also exhibiting childish behavior that you apparently don't like.

The justification is Faith. Period. Either you accept that, or you don't.

I don't accept that. I did, for a long time. I had religious faith too. Then I thought about it, very seriously, and studied it, as I have studied many subjects. I realized that I really wanted to go to heaven and live forever. And eventually, I realized that heaven made no sense.

I’m sorry, but this gets such an eye roll from me. You studied many subjects and eventually discovered that thousands of years of philosophy have been wrong, and the only thing that makes sense is that you are the most important being in the universe.

Okay.

Thank you for sharing your story with the rest of us peons. Why would we be spending any time reading the story of God when we could be learning more about YOU, pp?

DP. Yes thousands of years of outdated beliefs have been proven wrong when better methods/knowledge were discovered. I'm sorry you can't see that. I'm glad that I did see that finally in HS learning how the world actually works (at a catholic school nonetheless!).

-signed huge science/astronomy nerd fascinated with the origins of the universe

Sure. We can change our beliefs about the observable universe with new information. I also like science/astronomy. I have an MD and a PhD in neuroscience. But as many people have said, faith and God are outside of our observation unless we look within ourselves.

I don’t think it’s an accident that the pp did “some reading” and concluded that it was impossible that there ever has been, is now, or could ever be, anything more important than herself. I’m sure that she needed that belief for some reason. But I very much doubt that most people who did the “reading” that she did would come to the same conclusion she did! The fact that you can’t believe in God, but you have complete faith in that poster’s conclusions is ridiculous.

The only reason I can imagine you would believe her is that it confirms your own needed belief that there is nothing bigger or more important than yourself and no reason to do anything other than what you feel like doing.

How convenient to think that faith and God are outside of our observation unless we look within ourselves!

Whatever. You say that you want more proof, but if God came down here Himself and told you that there He existed and there is something in the Universe that mattered more than you do, you wouldn’t believe Him.
So what do you expect anyone else to say?

You can’t let go of your belief in your own divinity and you aren’t even willing to try. There is no reason to argue with you.

Your modus operandi seems to be name calling. There is no proof of God. That's why faith is required.

But the good news is that you'll spend your life believing that you'll go to heaven when you die.

Instead, you'll go where your beloved dog goes and where you were before you were born. Nowhere.

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

+1M Atheists are indeed very angry and combative to try and "prove" the religious people wrong on here. Things that make you go hmmmm.

You can take as many personal shots as you like. I don't think any atheists here are angry, except maybe about one thing:

How you believers often won't answer simple questions.

I am not saying your beliefs are wrong. I am asking how you justify them since there seems to be no significant evidence for them. If you take that as "trying" to "prove you wrong", well, that's your issue. This is a discussion forum, after all, and if you're not prepared to discuss things, maybe you should not participate in discussion?

I would encourage you to grow up and if you are going to engage be prepared to explain your religious beliefs the same way you might with someone who disagreed with you on any other topic on DCUM. Gardening, colleges, investing, health, and yes, politics.

Many non-believers do believe that believers are "wrong"...hence the use of terms like "idiots", "sheep", etc. etc. to describe them, as well as terms like "sky fairies" to poke fun at someone's beliefs. Don't ask believers to "grow up", when non-believers are also exhibiting childish behavior that you apparently don't like.

The justification is Faith. Period. Either you accept that, or you don't.

I don't accept that. I did, for a long time. I had religious faith too. Then I thought about it, very seriously, and studied it, as I have studied many subjects. I realized that I really wanted to go to heaven and live forever. And eventually, I realized that heaven made no sense.

I’m sorry, but this gets such an eye roll from me. You studied many subjects and eventually discovered that thousands of years of philosophy have been wrong, and the only thing that makes sense is that you are the most important being in the universe.

Okay.

Thank you for sharing your story with the rest of us peons. Why would we be spending any time reading the story of God when we could be learning more about YOU, pp?

DP. Yes thousands of years of outdated beliefs have been proven wrong when better methods/knowledge were discovered. I'm sorry you can't see that. I'm glad that I did see that finally in HS learning how the world actually works (at a catholic school nonetheless!).

-signed huge science/astronomy nerd fascinated with the origins of the universe

Sure. We can change our beliefs about the observable universe with new information. I also like science/astronomy. I have an MD and a PhD in neuroscience. But as many people have said, faith and God are outside of our observation unless we look within ourselves.

I don’t think it’s an accident that the pp did “some reading” and concluded that it was impossible that there ever has been, is now, or could ever be, anything more important than herself. I’m sure that she needed that belief for some reason. But I very much doubt that most people who did the “reading” that she did would come to the same conclusion she did! The fact that you can’t believe in God, but you have complete faith in that poster’s conclusions is ridiculous.

The only reason I can imagine you would believe her is that it confirms your own needed belief that there is nothing bigger or more important than yourself and no reason to do anything other than what you feel like doing.

How convenient to think that faith and God are outside of our observation unless we look within ourselves!

Whatever. You say that you want more proof, but if God came down here Himself and told you that there He existed and there is something in the Universe that mattered more than you do, you wouldn’t believe Him.
So what do you expect anyone else to say?

You can’t let go of your belief in your own divinity and you aren’t even willing to try. There is no reason to argue with you.

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

+1M Atheists are indeed very angry and combative to try and "prove" the religious people wrong on here. Things that make you go hmmmm.

You can take as many personal shots as you like. I don't think any atheists here are angry, except maybe about one thing:

How you believers often won't answer simple questions.

I am not saying your beliefs are wrong. I am asking how you justify them since there seems to be no significant evidence for them. If you take that as "trying" to "prove you wrong", well, that's your issue. This is a discussion forum, after all, and if you're not prepared to discuss things, maybe you should not participate in discussion?

I would encourage you to grow up and if you are going to engage be prepared to explain your religious beliefs the same way you might with someone who disagreed with you on any other topic on DCUM. Gardening, colleges, investing, health, and yes, politics.

Okay. How would you talk about college with someone who didn’t believe that a college education existed?

Someone who thinks that people pay a lot of money and go to college for four years in order to maintain some kind of social standing and to be accepted into their families who might otherwise shun them, or at least be very disappointed and bring it up frequently. That the families are upset not because they care about their family member and believe they would benefit from a college education, but because they have been brainwashed into thinking a college education is real.

However, this person tells you, there isn’t actually anything that is real or valuable happening at colleges or universities. Their main function is in brainwashing the people who attend into thinking they have some kind of value, and anyone with any kind of critical thinking skills could see that higher education is a sham.

How would you respond to these people? And what if every thread on the college board was overrun by them?

Show them a degree. Solid proof of a college education. Show them job postings requiring that education.

Also, every thread in this forum isn't over run by athiests. That's a big stretch.

There are athiests and people mocking religion on nearly every single thread.
It’s really more or less unusable for actually talking about religion.

You’re not counting this thread, are you?

No. But probably 75% of the threads on here have posts from atheists. The other 25% are mostly logistical.

It would be nice if you could talk to someone who is of a different faith or people who are questioning their faith. But instead the whole forum is rendered more or less useless by atheist trolls.

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

+1M Atheists are indeed very angry and combative to try and "prove" the religious people wrong on here. Things that make you go hmmmm.

You can take as many personal shots as you like. I don't think any atheists here are angry, except maybe about one thing:

How you believers often won't answer simple questions.

I am not saying your beliefs are wrong. I am asking how you justify them since there seems to be no significant evidence for them. If you take that as "trying" to "prove you wrong", well, that's your issue. This is a discussion forum, after all, and if you're not prepared to discuss things, maybe you should not participate in discussion?

I would encourage you to grow up and if you are going to engage be prepared to explain your religious beliefs the same way you might with someone who disagreed with you on any other topic on DCUM. Gardening, colleges, investing, health, and yes, politics.

Okay. How would you talk about college with someone who didn’t believe that a college education existed?

Someone who thinks that people pay a lot of money and go to college for four years in order to maintain some kind of social standing and to be accepted into their families who might otherwise shun them, or at least be very disappointed and bring it up frequently. That the families are upset not because they care about their family member and believe they would benefit from a college education, but because they have been brainwashed into thinking a college education is real.

However, this person tells you, there isn’t actually anything that is real or valuable happening at colleges or universities. Their main function is in brainwashing the people who attend into thinking they have some kind of value, and anyone with any kind of critical thinking skills could see that higher education is a sham.

How would you respond to these people? And what if every thread on the college board was overrun by them?

Show them a degree. Solid proof of a college education. Show them job postings requiring that education.

Also, every thread in this forum isn't over run by athiests. That's a big stretch.

There are athiests and people mocking religion on nearly every single thread.
It’s really more or less unusable for actually talking about religion.

You’re not counting this thread, are you?

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

I live a fairly good life as I know that every moment I have to live is precious.

The anger and misery come from the mythology believers trying to impose their fictions on my life.

"impose their fictions on my life."

EXCEPT no one is doing that to you at all. Its totally all in your head.

There are entire states trying to push Christian curriculum into public schools. Certain US Supreme Court justices make no secret that their religion impacts how they rule. They were in fact chosen because of their religious beliefs, in a nation that is supposed to have separation of church and state.

+1

While this gets pointed out repeatedly, there is almost always some ignorant believer who will post that their beliefs aren't harming anyone.

Well unless THEY are Christian Nationalists or whatever is pushing curricula, SCOTUS, etc. then THEY are being accurate. It's stupid to confound any belief with the nutjob agenda.

You may not be a nut job, but believing in the supernatural is nutty. It wasn't before there wasn't much known about science, but it is now.

Thot we wuz talkin bout the nutjob agenda of making Amerika a Kristian Nashun and there you go again Atheist Friend, generalizing again.

I guess Atheists are just really butthurt. Go look at the light from dead stars and try to calm yourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

+1M Atheists are indeed very angry and combative to try and "prove" the religious people wrong on here. Things that make you go hmmmm.

You can take as many personal shots as you like. I don't think any atheists here are angry, except maybe about one thing:

How you believers often won't answer simple questions.

I am not saying your beliefs are wrong. I am asking how you justify them since there seems to be no significant evidence for them. If you take that as "trying" to "prove you wrong", well, that's your issue. This is a discussion forum, after all, and if you're not prepared to discuss things, maybe you should not participate in discussion?

I would encourage you to grow up and if you are going to engage be prepared to explain your religious beliefs the same way you might with someone who disagreed with you on any other topic on DCUM. Gardening, colleges, investing, health, and yes, politics.

Many non-believers do believe that believers are "wrong"...hence the use of terms like "idiots", "sheep", etc. etc. to describe them, as well as terms like "sky fairies" to poke fun at someone's beliefs. Don't ask believers to "grow up", when non-believers are also exhibiting childish behavior that you apparently don't like.

The justification is Faith. Period. Either you accept that, or you don't.

I don't accept that. I did, for a long time. I had religious faith too. Then I thought about it, very seriously, and studied it, as I have studied many subjects. I realized that I really wanted to go to heaven and live forever. And eventually, I realized that heaven made no sense.

I’m sorry, but this gets such an eye roll from me. You studied many subjects and eventually discovered that thousands of years of philosophy have been wrong, and the only thing that makes sense is that you are the most important being in the universe.

Okay.

Thank you for sharing your story with the rest of us peons. Why would we be spending any time reading the story of God when we could be learning more about YOU, pp?

DP. Yes thousands of years of outdated beliefs have been proven wrong when better methods/knowledge were discovered. I'm sorry you can't see that. I'm glad that I did see that finally in HS learning how the world actually works (at a catholic school nonetheless!).

-signed huge science/astronomy nerd fascinated with the origins of the universe

Sure. We can change our beliefs about the observable universe with new information. I also like science/astronomy. I have an MD and a PhD in neuroscience. But as many people have said, faith and God are outside of our observation unless we look within ourselves.

I don’t think it’s an accident that the pp did “some reading” and concluded that it was impossible that there ever has been, is now, or could ever be, anything more important than herself. I’m sure that she needed that belief for some reason. But I very much doubt that most people who did the “reading” that she did would come to the same conclusion she did! The fact that you can’t believe in God, but you have complete faith in that poster’s conclusions is ridiculous.

The only reason I can imagine you would believe her is that it confirms your own needed belief that there is nothing bigger or more important than yourself and no reason to do anything other than what you feel like doing.

How convenient to think that faith and God are outside of our observation unless we look within ourselves!

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

+1M Atheists are indeed very angry and combative to try and "prove" the religious people wrong on here. Things that make you go hmmmm.

You can take as many personal shots as you like. I don't think any atheists here are angry, except maybe about one thing:

How you believers often won't answer simple questions.

I am not saying your beliefs are wrong. I am asking how you justify them since there seems to be no significant evidence for them. If you take that as "trying" to "prove you wrong", well, that's your issue. This is a discussion forum, after all, and if you're not prepared to discuss things, maybe you should not participate in discussion?

I would encourage you to grow up and if you are going to engage be prepared to explain your religious beliefs the same way you might with someone who disagreed with you on any other topic on DCUM. Gardening, colleges, investing, health, and yes, politics.

Many non-believers do believe that believers are "wrong"...hence the use of terms like "idiots", "sheep", etc. etc. to describe them, as well as terms like "sky fairies" to poke fun at someone's beliefs. Don't ask believers to "grow up", when non-believers are also exhibiting childish behavior that you apparently don't like.

The justification is Faith. Period. Either you accept that, or you don't.

I don't accept that. I did, for a long time. I had religious faith too. Then I thought about it, very seriously, and studied it, as I have studied many subjects. I realized that I really wanted to go to heaven and live forever. And eventually, I realized that heaven made no sense.

I’m sorry, but this gets such an eye roll from me. You studied many subjects and eventually discovered that thousands of years of philosophy have been wrong, and the only thing that makes sense is that you are the most important being in the universe.

Okay.

Thank you for sharing your story with the rest of us peons. Why would we be spending any time reading the story of God when we could be learning more about YOU, pp?

DP. Yes thousands of years of outdated beliefs have been proven wrong when better methods/knowledge were discovered. I'm sorry you can't see that. I'm glad that I did see that finally in HS learning how the world actually works (at a catholic school nonetheless!).

-signed huge science/astronomy nerd fascinated with the origins of the universe

Sure. We can change our beliefs about the observable universe with new information. I also like science/astronomy. I have an MD and a PhD in neuroscience. But as many people have said, faith and God are outside of our observation unless we look within ourselves.

I don’t think it’s an accident that the pp did “some reading” and concluded that it was impossible that there ever has been, is now, or could ever be, anything more important than herself. I’m sure that she needed that belief for some reason. But I very much doubt that most people who did the “reading” that she did would come to the same conclusion she did! The fact that you can’t believe in God, but you have complete faith in that poster’s conclusions is ridiculous.

The only reason I can imagine you would believe her is that it confirms your own needed belief that there is nothing bigger or more important than yourself and no reason to do anything other than what you feel like doing.

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

I live a fairly good life as I know that every moment I have to live is precious.

The anger and misery come from the mythology believers trying to impose their fictions on my life.

"impose their fictions on my life."

EXCEPT no one is doing that to you at all. Its totally all in your head.

There are entire states trying to push Christian curriculum into public schools. Certain US Supreme Court justices make no secret that their religion impacts how they rule. They were in fact chosen because of their religious beliefs, in a nation that is supposed to have separation of church and state.

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While this gets pointed out repeatedly, there is almost always some ignorant believer who will post that their beliefs aren't harming anyone.

Well unless THEY are Christian Nationalists or whatever is pushing curricula, SCOTUS, etc. then THEY are being accurate. It's stupid to confound any belief with the nutjob agenda.

You may not be a nut job, but believing in the supernatural is nutty. It wasn't before there wasn't much known about science, but it is now.

Anonymous wrote:They would rather go to Hell than be wrong. They also don't want too many other people to go to Heaven who will witness the stupidity so they want to drag as many as they can to the losing side.

Sounds like you're feeling tempted by atheism.

Forget it. you're not our type.

Besides no one is recruited to atheism. We all make up our own minds. No one will come to your door to give you the good news or threaten you with eternal damnation.

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Anonymous wrote:They are usually so angry and miserable they want YOU to be too. They want to feel right about the topic and they want YOU to feel wrong for your beliefs. From what I've witnessed on this board they're generally an angry miserable bunch. I think while they don't know it or even realize it they might be driven by the devil to pull people away from God. They might be being used.

Think about this: when on these boards have you seen believers trying to covert atheists into believing in God? When have you seen them pushed, shamed and antagonized for not believing in God? Never. Why is that? Does that seem strange to you? It's one way. Ask yourself why is it one way? Food for thought.

I live a fairly good life as I know that every moment I have to live is precious.

The anger and misery come from the mythology believers trying to impose their fictions on my life.

"impose their fictions on my life."

EXCEPT no one is doing that to you at all. Its totally all in your head.

There are entire states trying to push Christian curriculum into public schools. Certain US Supreme Court justices make no secret that their religion impacts how they rule. They were in fact chosen because of their religious beliefs, in a nation that is supposed to have separation of church and state.

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While this gets pointed out repeatedly, there is almost always some ignorant believer who will post that their beliefs aren't harming anyone.

Well unless THEY are Christian Nationalists or whatever is pushing curricula, SCOTUS, etc. then THEY are being accurate. It's stupid to confound any belief with the nutjob agenda.

People only break into countries built by Christians. They follow white Christians everywhere. It's annoying.