Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

Judiciary has obligations too.
Issues of breach of contract go to court of claims, yet district judges issued a temporary restraining order to issue grants with a nationwide injunction.
Issues of firing go to merit systems protection board, yet district judges issued temporary restraining order not to fire with a nationwide injunction.

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Back before the GOP decided deportation was the new boogey man, this would not have seemed so nefarious. In my city, there was a street where Latino men would hang out waiting for work. My BIL was flipping houses at the time. He would go pick some of these guys up, they would do the work , and he paid them. I’m sure many did not have ID, and they didn’t have tools since he had them at the job site. If he did this today, he could be arrested for human smuggling. At the time, it seemed fine and never occurred to me that it could be unlawful.

In other words, in the pre-illegal-aliens-are-so-scary era, a guy driving a van load of guys to a work site would not have raised a lot of eyebrows.

You can thank Van Hollen for his hanging.

He has killed people including a mother of a family. He doesn't have a chance in court. He was better off being out of the country. Now they are going to hang him.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Now the government has to prove its case it court. I think that they will get embarrassed, but at least both parties now have a say instead of him being abducted and shipped out.

I posted the previous and I don't think he ever would have been charged without all of this going on, but now that they are charging him it is going to be easy to find witnesses if the gov't says we will let you stay if you testify against him that he in anyway abused you. Considering his wife's claim that he would take her phone and car, has hit her, pushed her, slapped her, broken her kids tablets, locked them in her room. https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2025-05/highlighted_petition_Abrego_Garcia-1.pdf

So now picture if he allegedly did that to his wife what at least one of the allegedly hundreds of migrants will be willing to stay if they can stay in the country under a crime victim visa.

This is the proper way to do things. He will have his day in court and I hope the others in El Salvador do as well. Things do not seem always to be as cut an dry as they seem. The lack of journalism is so troubling. Where are the investigative reporters? It is ridiculous the only way to often get to some semblance of the truth is to try and find original documents. The case of the gay make-up artist who was sent to CECOT is horrifying. He appears to have a legitimate claim for asylum with an abundance of proof he was a gay make up artist in Venezuela. But what is very rarely being reported is that before entering San Diego he entered through Texas. From the New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-immigration/the-makeup-artist-donald-trump-deported-under-the-alien-enemies-act

The first time Andry tried to enter the U.S [this was in Texas]., he was arrested and sent to Tabasco, Mexico, where a friend helped him download a government app that allowed migrants to make appointments at ports of entry. The system, known as CBP One, was the Biden Administration’s attempt to create a more orderly process for people to enter the country. Part of the premise was to incentivize migrants to come “the right way,” though it often took months for slots to open up. On the morning of August 29th, a U.S. official interviewed Andry at the U.S.-Mexico border in San Diego. Andry had no criminal record, and the exchange seemed straightforward.

But then the article never explains why he was arrested and sent back to Mexico. And Tabsaco Mexico is in the Southern part of Mexico, which is what Mexico has done when migrants are deported from the US to dissuade them from immediately returning to attempt to enter the US again. This happened under Biden. So why wasn't he able to claim asylum in Texas? What was it that caused him to be expelled in Texas? Where did the system break down the first time he attempted to enter?

And an aside- what is up with referring to Latinos and women by their first name - Kilmar and Andry and Hillary instead of last names?

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Now the government has to prove its case it court. I think that they will get embarrassed, but at least both parties now have a say instead of him being abducted and shipped out.

This! He will get his day in court and the government will have to prove its many allegations. I don't GAF about Abrego Garcia. The important thing is that the government follows the law.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 50 Venezuelans who were in the United States legally and have never been accused, much less convicted of any crime, locked up in CECOT.

BRING THEM BACK!

THEY ARENT AMERICANS! We don’t want them.

THEY ARE HUMAN!!!!! I’m American AND I WANT THEM HERE.
I would much rather see you deported.

They have homes.
In their own countries
Anyone here illegally needs to be deported.

after due process, per the US Constitution.

Due process is different for illegals than for citizens. And we have such a thing as expedited removal.

Out they go!

No it is not.

Yeah expedited removal, where they don't go infront of judge doesn't exist

or does it?

Illegal immigrants who have appeared in front a judge and given an order of expedited removal can be deported. Random people on the street who don’t have such an order cannot be sent to a foreign gulag for no reason.

No, for expedited removal, they don't go infront of a judge. It's a faster process than a deportation hearing.

Here's an immigration advocacy group describing the process. Typically in the past it was used at the border, now they're changing how its used.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-removal-expansion/

Do illegals at the border have due process if you're defining it as going in front of a judge? It would appear that no, not everyone has due process if you're going by that definition.

You say this like it's nothing. You say it like you don't care about the law or the Constitution or the truth or innocent people being imprisoned.

But many of us do.

Also, some of the people being rounded up are LEGAL. Some of the people in a Salvadoran prison were LEGAL. So anything you have been fed by Stephen Miller about "illegals" does not apply to them anyway.

I'm guessing you're not familiar with the NILC? Itt's one of the main advocacy groups for immigrants int his country.

SCOTUS has said this is all legal, meaning its consitutional with respect to expedited removals.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Now the government has to prove its case it court. I think that they will get embarrassed, but at least both parties now have a say instead of him being abducted and shipped out.

This! He will get his day in court and the government will have to prove its many allegations. I don't GAF about Abrego Garcia. The important thing is that the government follows the law.

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Now the government has to prove its case it court. I think that they will get embarrassed, but at least both parties now have a say instead of him being abducted and shipped out.

Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

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Anonymous wrote:Kilmars lawyers made "BIG MISTAKE" by pushing for his return to U.S.

If he's found guilty, he's gonna spend a long time in prison complaining about his ideological radical lawyers, who made a hero out of him and tried to get him back to the United States when that was not in his own self-interest.

If he's acquitted, they can still bring the deportation charges because the standard of proof is very different in deportation charges ... From the government's point of view, it's a win-win to do it this way.

Have you seen the photos of CECOT? Anyplace is better. A US jail. Deportation. The whole point is that they sent him to a hell hole illegally.

Apparently he wasn't in CECOT. They had him in another jail. Either for PR purposes, or they didn't agree with the MS-13 designation.
Now he will be there after his US prison sentence, or perhaps after sentencing, they will send him back to El Salvador.
I've read his withholding of removal no longer applies.

I suspect the withholding of removal to El Salvador doesn’t apply but I haven’t seen confirmation of it.

Agree his deportation orders still apply.

He will never walk free in the US.

Eh. He is already burning down this administration's immigration policy. He destroying public support for Trump and immigration.

He is now being charged with fake charges and Judge Xinis is being asked to consider the crime fraud exception against the government.

You think he will never walk free in the US? I think he probably will. And legitimately, unlike the pardoned Proud Boys.

Actually he is destroying the reputation of the Democrats beyond how low their reputation already is. When the Democrats work so hard to advocate for a criminal illegal alien instead of citizens the American people see them for who they really are.
Interesting that Van Hollen didn’t advocate nearly as hard for his actual constituents - especially those murdered at the hands of illegal aliens.

Polls do not agree with you. Sorry not sorry.

Yeah, they do.

“Sorry not sorry.” -> are you 12?

Anonymous wrote:This is yet another example of the left dying on the hill
moment. Once again they pick a battle, the machine starts to roll only to find out later that justice and the law always wins.

So funny that you believe this. Or else your trolling effort is a fail.

This is yet another example of the left dying on the hill
moment. Once again they pick a battle, the machine starts to roll only to find out later that justice and the law always wins.

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Anonymous wrote:Kilmars lawyers made "BIG MISTAKE" by pushing for his return to U.S.

If he's found guilty, he's gonna spend a long time in prison complaining about his ideological radical lawyers, who made a hero out of him and tried to get him back to the United States when that was not in his own self-interest.

If he's acquitted, they can still bring the deportation charges because the standard of proof is very different in deportation charges ... From the government's point of view, it's a win-win to do it this way.

Have you seen the photos of CECOT? Anyplace is better. A US jail. Deportation. The whole point is that they sent him to a hell hole illegally.

Apparently he wasn't in CECOT. They had him in another jail. Either for PR purposes, or they didn't agree with the MS-13 designation.
Now he will be there after his US prison sentence, or perhaps after sentencing, they will send him back to El Salvador.
I've read his withholding of removal no longer applies.

I suspect the withholding of removal to El Salvador doesn’t apply but I haven’t seen confirmation of it.

Agree his deportation orders still apply.

He will never walk free in the US.

Eh. He is already burning down this administration's immigration policy. He destroying public support for Trump and immigration.

He is now being charged with fake charges and Judge Xinis is being asked to consider the crime fraud exception against the government.

You think he will never walk free in the US? I think he probably will. And legitimately, unlike the pardoned Proud Boys.

Actually he is destroying the reputation of the Democrats beyond how low their reputation already is. When the Democrats work so hard to advocate for a criminal illegal alien instead of citizens the American people see them for who they really are.
Interesting that Van Hollen didn’t advocate nearly as hard for his actual constituents - especially those murdered at the hands of illegal aliens.

Polls do not agree with you. Sorry not sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:Kilmars lawyers made "BIG MISTAKE" by pushing for his return to U.S.

If he's found guilty, he's gonna spend a long time in prison complaining about his ideological radical lawyers, who made a hero out of him and tried to get him back to the United States when that was not in his own self-interest.

If he's acquitted, they can still bring the deportation charges because the standard of proof is very different in deportation charges ... From the government's point of view, it's a win-win to do it this way.

Have you seen the photos of CECOT? Anyplace is better. A US jail. Deportation. The whole point is that they sent him to a hell hole illegally.

Apparently he wasn't in CECOT. They had him in another jail. Either for PR purposes, or they didn't agree with the MS-13 designation.
Now he will be there after his US prison sentence, or perhaps after sentencing, they will send him back to El Salvador.
I've read his withholding of removal no longer applies.

I suspect the withholding of removal to El Salvador doesn’t apply but I haven’t seen confirmation of it.

Agree his deportation orders still apply.

He will never walk free in the US.

Eh. He is already burning down this administration's immigration policy. He destroying public support for Trump and immigration.

He is now being charged with fake charges and Judge Xinis is being asked to consider the crime fraud exception against the government.

You think he will never walk free in the US? I think he probably will. And legitimately, unlike the pardoned Proud Boys.

Actually he is destroying the reputation of the Democrats beyond how low their reputation already is. When the Democrats work so hard to advocate for a criminal illegal alien instead of citizens the American people see them for who they really are.
Interesting that Van Hollen didn’t advocate nearly as hard for his actual constituents - especially those murdered at the hands of illegal aliens.