Anonymous wrote:What's a normal amount of AP courses for a student to take?

Looking at my IB student's projected track, they will take 4-5 college-level courses over the course of their four years in high school. (AP government sophomore year, then 3-4 higher-level classes). I don't intend any attack here; I'm just curious if AP students generally take more or if this is similar.

I grew up with AP in FCPS, but I don't have any problems with IB. The big thing about it is that parents use it as a means to transfer from one school to another.

Anonymous wrote:You forgot about Edison. Also, Woodson, Chantilly, and Madison are all better than Marshall.

Anonymous wrote:What's a normal amount of AP courses for a student to take?

Looking at my IB student's projected track, they will take 4-5 college-level courses over the course of their four years in high school. (AP government sophomore year, then 3-4 higher-level classes). I don't intend any attack here; I'm just curious if AP students generally take more or if this is similar.

I grew up with AP in FCPS, but I don't have any problems with IB. The big thing about it is that parents use it as a means to transfer from one school to another.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true.
IB can be a good program.
IB is not the right program for FCPS.

FCPS is ridiculous to go through a boundary study while they keep IB as the program in some schools.

Compare the value. IB loses here.

I do see some value to this take. But PPs continue to conflate value of IB with the performance of the schools where it’s been placed. Zero correlation.

If your average American suburban parent is more comfortable with AP, ok, no issues. But to sayFCPS should just do away with IB shows defensiveness toward other students’ elite hs record.

The thread is about which high schools is FCPS are prestigious - associated with excellence in their academics and extra-curricular programs.

One hallmark of a prestigious school is a pervasive culture of achievement. IB schools in FCPS don’t have that culture. To the contrary, they tend to single out a small number of kids as deserving special attention, which underscores their top achievers are exceptions to the general mediocrity of those schools.

I can decode the title of a thread. And it quickly morphed into IB bashing.

The hallmark of a prestigious school is its rigor. IB’s tops AP’s. And it’s ok that it isn’t for everyone.

NP. You can't be serious. There is not one IB school that is considered "prestigious". And you need work on your apostrophe placement.

No boo…there isn’t a single non-TJ school that’s considered “prestigious.” The top tier 1-2 list has more to do with wealth than anything else. I’m kind of low key chuckling at all these adults losing their minds over this list and the whole AP vs IB debate. Forgot aiming for AP vs IB or prestige—-invest in some therapy for your poor kids bc you parents are cray-cray.

Hmm. Did you write the bolded, above? If so, it seems *you* are calling certain schools "prestigious". All you have to do is line up the SAT scores from all FCPS schools to see which are the highest scoring. And all of them have AP, not IB. Enough said.

But some of the IB schools have better scores than AP ones….bc it’s not AP vs IB…it’s income. You put IB at Langley, it will have high scores. You put AP in Annandale, it won’t. It’s not that complicated….

Langley doesn’t want IB. It’s not that complicated.

It’s prestigious enough without a make-weight program where every kid pursuing a snowflake diploma gets a *special* callout at graduation.

What Langley doesn’t want is transfer students.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true.
IB can be a good program.
IB is not the right program for FCPS.

FCPS is ridiculous to go through a boundary study while they keep IB as the program in some schools.

Compare the value. IB loses here.

I do see some value to this take. But PPs continue to conflate value of IB with the performance of the schools where it’s been placed. Zero correlation.

If your average American suburban parent is more comfortable with AP, ok, no issues. But to sayFCPS should just do away with IB shows defensiveness toward other students’ elite hs record.

The thread is about which high schools is FCPS are prestigious - associated with excellence in their academics and extra-curricular programs.

One hallmark of a prestigious school is a pervasive culture of achievement. IB schools in FCPS don’t have that culture. To the contrary, they tend to single out a small number of kids as deserving special attention, which underscores their top achievers are exceptions to the general mediocrity of those schools.

I can decode the title of a thread. And it quickly morphed into IB bashing.

The hallmark of a prestigious school is its rigor. IB’s tops AP’s. And it’s ok that it isn’t for everyone.

NP. You can't be serious. There is not one IB school that is considered "prestigious". And you need work on your apostrophe placement.

No boo…there isn’t a single non-TJ school that’s considered “prestigious.” The top tier 1-2 list has more to do with wealth than anything else. I’m kind of low key chuckling at all these adults losing their minds over this list and the whole AP vs IB debate. Forgot aiming for AP vs IB or prestige—-invest in some therapy for your poor kids bc you parents are cray-cray.

Hmm. Did you write the bolded, above? If so, it seems *you* are calling certain schools "prestigious". All you have to do is line up the SAT scores from all FCPS schools to see which are the highest scoring. And all of them have AP, not IB. Enough said.

But some of the IB schools have better scores than AP ones….bc it’s not AP vs IB…it’s income. You put IB at Langley, it will have high scores. You put AP in Annandale, it won’t. It’s not that complicated….

Langley doesn’t want IB. It’s not that complicated.

It’s prestigious enough without a make-weight program where every kid pursuing a snowflake diploma gets a *special* callout at graduation.

What Langley doesn’t want is transfer students.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true.
IB can be a good program.
IB is not the right program for FCPS.

FCPS is ridiculous to go through a boundary study while they keep IB as the program in some schools.

Compare the value. IB loses here.

I do see some value to this take. But PPs continue to conflate value of IB with the performance of the schools where it’s been placed. Zero correlation.

If your average American suburban parent is more comfortable with AP, ok, no issues. But to sayFCPS should just do away with IB shows defensiveness toward other students’ elite hs record.

The thread is about which high schools is FCPS are prestigious - associated with excellence in their academics and extra-curricular programs.

One hallmark of a prestigious school is a pervasive culture of achievement. IB schools in FCPS don’t have that culture. To the contrary, they tend to single out a small number of kids as deserving special attention, which underscores their top achievers are exceptions to the general mediocrity of those schools.

I can decode the title of a thread. And it quickly morphed into IB bashing.

The hallmark of a prestigious school is its rigor. IB’s tops AP’s. And it’s ok that it isn’t for everyone.

NP. You can't be serious. There is not one IB school that is considered "prestigious". And you need work on your apostrophe placement.

No boo…there isn’t a single non-TJ school that’s considered “prestigious.” The top tier 1-2 list has more to do with wealth than anything else. I’m kind of low key chuckling at all these adults losing their minds over this list and the whole AP vs IB debate. Forgot aiming for AP vs IB or prestige—-invest in some therapy for your poor kids bc you parents are cray-cray.

Hmm. Did you write the bolded, above? If so, it seems *you* are calling certain schools "prestigious". All you have to do is line up the SAT scores from all FCPS schools to see which are the highest scoring. And all of them have AP, not IB. Enough said.

But some of the IB schools have better scores than AP ones….bc it’s not AP vs IB…it’s income. You put IB at Langley, it will have high scores. You put AP in Annandale, it won’t. It’s not that complicated….

Langley doesn’t want IB. It’s not that complicated.

It’s prestigious enough without a make-weight program where every kid pursuing a snowflake diploma gets a *special* callout at graduation.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true.
IB can be a good program.
IB is not the right program for FCPS.

FCPS is ridiculous to go through a boundary study while they keep IB as the program in some schools.

Compare the value. IB loses here.

I do see some value to this take. But PPs continue to conflate value of IB with the performance of the schools where it’s been placed. Zero correlation.

If your average American suburban parent is more comfortable with AP, ok, no issues. But to sayFCPS should just do away with IB shows defensiveness toward other students’ elite hs record.

The thread is about which high schools is FCPS are prestigious - associated with excellence in their academics and extra-curricular programs.

One hallmark of a prestigious school is a pervasive culture of achievement. IB schools in FCPS don’t have that culture. To the contrary, they tend to single out a small number of kids as deserving special attention, which underscores their top achievers are exceptions to the general mediocrity of those schools.

I can decode the title of a thread. And it quickly morphed into IB bashing.

The hallmark of a prestigious school is its rigor. IB’s tops AP’s. And it’s ok that it isn’t for everyone.

The IB program limits students to 3, maybe 4 HL classes, which cannot be taken until senior year. AP students have no limit on the number of courses they can take that are at that level, and they can take them in whatever grade they are ready to. Therefore, AP is more rigorous.

The IB program requires students to take 6 high-level classes, taken over two years. There's English, World Language, Social Sciences, Science, Math, and an Elective. On top of a Theory of Knowledge class, write an essay, and complete 150 hours of service outside of class.

Students at IB schools can take IB courses like one takes AP courses -- focusing on which individual AP courses they want to take. Or one can take all the IB classes and go for the certificate. At my child's IB school, students can even take AP courses beginning their sophomore year.

No, the IB program requires students to take 3-4 higher level classes and 2-3 standard level classes (6 total). They cannot take more than 4 higher level classes.

Both the standard-level and the higher-level IB courses get an additional 1.0 bump to the GPA, just like AP courses. The IB courses begin sophomore year, with IB chemistry and (potentially) math.

While the courses may be called IB standard level, they're treated the same as an AP course in terms of GPA boost. The GPA boost is given because of the difficulty of the course, just like AP courses. By junior year, if a students wishes to go for an IB diploma, they will be taking six courses with the 1.0 GPA boost (six advanced courses), potentially seven courses if a student takes an IB elective.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS installed in seven declining high schools and one solid high school to try and make them more prestigious. It was an attempt to create schools within a school.

It backfired. IB schools in FCPS became further stigmatized. Meanwhile the top AP schools became more sought-after in comparison.

It was not an effort to make them "more prestigious", idiot. It was designed to offer advanced, rigorous academic classes. This succeeded.

DP. It succeeded for relatively few students at significant expense when AP suits that purpose just fine, and it allows students to flee poorer performing schools.

It’s a mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true.
IB can be a good program.
IB is not the right program for FCPS.

FCPS is ridiculous to go through a boundary study while they keep IB as the program in some schools.

Compare the value. IB loses here.

I do see some value to this take. But PPs continue to conflate value of IB with the performance of the schools where it’s been placed. Zero correlation.

If your average American suburban parent is more comfortable with AP, ok, no issues. But to sayFCPS should just do away with IB shows defensiveness toward other students’ elite hs record.

The thread is about which high schools is FCPS are prestigious - associated with excellence in their academics and extra-curricular programs.

One hallmark of a prestigious school is a pervasive culture of achievement. IB schools in FCPS don’t have that culture. To the contrary, they tend to single out a small number of kids as deserving special attention, which underscores their top achievers are exceptions to the general mediocrity of those schools.

I can decode the title of a thread. And it quickly morphed into IB bashing.

The hallmark of a prestigious school is its rigor. IB’s tops AP’s. And it’s ok that it isn’t for everyone.

NP. You can't be serious. There is not one IB school that is considered "prestigious". And you need work on your apostrophe placement.

No boo…there isn’t a single non-TJ school that’s considered “prestigious.” The top tier 1-2 list has more to do with wealth than anything else. I’m kind of low key chuckling at all these adults losing their minds over this list and the whole AP vs IB debate. Forgot aiming for AP vs IB or prestige—-invest in some therapy for your poor kids bc you parents are cray-cray.

Hmm. Did you write the bolded, above? If so, it seems *you* are calling certain schools "prestigious". All you have to do is line up the SAT scores from all FCPS schools to see which are the highest scoring. And all of them have AP, not IB. Enough said.

But some of the IB schools have better scores than AP ones….bc it’s not AP vs IB…it’s income. You put IB at Langley, it will have high scores. You put AP in Annandale, it won’t. It’s not that complicated….

Langley doesn’t want IB. It’s not that complicated.

It’s prestigious enough without a make-weight program where every kid pursuing a snowflake diploma gets a *special* callout at graduation.

I get that but that’s not the point….Im saying “prestige” is just wealth, not IB vs AP.

Wealth facilitates achievement and a culture of excellence = prestige. It does not guarantee it.

IB schools in FCPS are poverty programs designed to shine a light on a few kids rather than to cultivate a strong school-wide culture.

Research has shown time and time again that SES and parental educational level are the biggest predictors of student achievement. But whatever.

This! Schools and teachers can only do so much. They have to work with the types of students they get. Money and parental involvement make a huge difference!

Also, if certain schools are so prestigious, and families are paying top dollar to live in those boundaries, you would expect at least 90% of their graduates to attent top 25 universities. Is that the case?

Or are they prestigious only due to wealth and lower numbers of EEL and first gen students?

Also, high standardized test scores are highly related to income level. Teachers that only have to teach wealthy kids with involved parents (not overly involved though. Teachers do not like helicopter/lawnmower ones) have it easy. The amazing teachers and schools are the ones who are able to inspire low income students to actually go to school and end up breaking their families’ cycles of poverty.

Feel free to call me a social justice warrior. I don’t think it is an insult at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true.
IB can be a good program.
IB is not the right program for FCPS.

FCPS is ridiculous to go through a boundary study while they keep IB as the program in some schools.

Compare the value. IB loses here.

I do see some value to this take. But PPs continue to conflate value of IB with the performance of the schools where it’s been placed. Zero correlation.

If your average American suburban parent is more comfortable with AP, ok, no issues. But to sayFCPS should just do away with IB shows defensiveness toward other students’ elite hs record.

The thread is about which high schools is FCPS are prestigious - associated with excellence in their academics and extra-curricular programs.

One hallmark of a prestigious school is a pervasive culture of achievement. IB schools in FCPS don’t have that culture. To the contrary, they tend to single out a small number of kids as deserving special attention, which underscores their top achievers are exceptions to the general mediocrity of those schools.

I can decode the title of a thread. And it quickly morphed into IB bashing.

The hallmark of a prestigious school is its rigor. IB’s tops AP’s. And it’s ok that it isn’t for everyone.

NP. You can't be serious. There is not one IB school that is considered "prestigious". And you need work on your apostrophe placement.

No boo…there isn’t a single non-TJ school that’s considered “prestigious.” The top tier 1-2 list has more to do with wealth than anything else. I’m kind of low key chuckling at all these adults losing their minds over this list and the whole AP vs IB debate. Forgot aiming for AP vs IB or prestige—-invest in some therapy for your poor kids bc you parents are cray-cray.

Hmm. Did you write the bolded, above? If so, it seems *you* are calling certain schools "prestigious". All you have to do is line up the SAT scores from all FCPS schools to see which are the highest scoring. And all of them have AP, not IB. Enough said.

But some of the IB schools have better scores than AP ones….bc it’s not AP vs IB…it’s income. You put IB at Langley, it will have high scores. You put AP in Annandale, it won’t. It’s not that complicated….

Langley doesn’t want IB. It’s not that complicated.

It’s prestigious enough without a make-weight program where every kid pursuing a snowflake diploma gets a *special* callout at graduation.

You are truly re tar ded if you describe IB in these terms. You simply have no idea what the diploma requires.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true.
IB can be a good program.
IB is not the right program for FCPS.

FCPS is ridiculous to go through a boundary study while they keep IB as the program in some schools.

Compare the value. IB loses here.

I do see some value to this take. But PPs continue to conflate value of IB with the performance of the schools where it’s been placed. Zero correlation.

If your average American suburban parent is more comfortable with AP, ok, no issues. But to sayFCPS should just do away with IB shows defensiveness toward other students’ elite hs record.

The thread is about which high schools is FCPS are prestigious - associated with excellence in their academics and extra-curricular programs.

One hallmark of a prestigious school is a pervasive culture of achievement. IB schools in FCPS don’t have that culture. To the contrary, they tend to single out a small number of kids as deserving special attention, which underscores their top achievers are exceptions to the general mediocrity of those schools.

I can decode the title of a thread. And it quickly morphed into IB bashing.

The hallmark of a prestigious school is its rigor. IB’s tops AP’s. And it’s ok that it isn’t for everyone.

NP. You can't be serious. There is not one IB school that is considered "prestigious". And you need work on your apostrophe placement.

No boo…there isn’t a single non-TJ school that’s considered “prestigious.” The top tier 1-2 list has more to do with wealth than anything else. I’m kind of low key chuckling at all these adults losing their minds over this list and the whole AP vs IB debate. Forgot aiming for AP vs IB or prestige—-invest in some therapy for your poor kids bc you parents are cray-cray.

This is wrong. The top non-TJ schools (none of which are IB) are more prestigious with the watering down of TJ admissions.

You are wrong. No non-TJ school is prestigious. Just stop it.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS does not have to offer two different programs. Go back to AP at all schools - save money and reduce transfers. The pig-headedness of FCPS sticking with IB defies explanation.

Unless the intended effect is facilitating transfers.

At this point it may be. They’ve certainly had enough experience with IB at this point to know that the prestigious schools don’t want it and that it detracts from the reputations of the schools that have it.

How they can consider boundary adjustments with IB/AP is very puzzling. This is not rocket science. They are not the same. And, just as important, it has been proven that it gives an "out" to pupil place.