Anonymous
05/26/2025 11:12
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised (and maybe I’ve missed it) that no one has mentioned grants and subsidies that foreign governments use to fund their students abroad. For example, my kids roommates at an Ivy included two internationals who had most (or all? I didn’t press for details) of their tuition paid for by the governments of their countries. For one of them, repayment required x years of national service in a specific area of government, but it was a country that required national service anyway.
Foreign governments don't just pay tuition. They do fund research at these universities or provide some other enticement.
Foreign governments absolutely paid tuition directly for certain students. This was in the 80s and 90s. Maybe changed?
Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant they do pay tuition, but in addition, provide other funding.
Anonymous
05/26/2025 11:10
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised (and maybe I’ve missed it) that no one has mentioned grants and subsidies that foreign governments use to fund their students abroad. For example, my kids roommates at an Ivy included two internationals who had most (or all? I didn’t press for details) of their tuition paid for by the governments of their countries. For one of them, repayment required x years of national service in a specific area of government, but it was a country that required national service anyway.
Foreign governments don't just pay tuition. They do fund research at these universities or provide some other enticement.
Foreign governments absolutely paid tuition directly for certain students. This was in the 80s and 90s. Maybe changed?
Anonymous
05/26/2025 11:01
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:LOL, Trump is doing this because Baron was not accepted at Stanford, Harvard, and Columbia.
Funny because out of all of Trump's kids, Baron is the only one with some brain cells.
He will come for retribution at some point. He is his mother's son. It's not going to be Don Jr in 2028 it will be Barron because they will remove the age restrictions watch and wait.
You have zero way of knowing this, it's just some TDS fever dream that Barron was rejected from these schools. Does saying that make your kid's rejection sit a little better?
Anonymous
05/26/2025 09:05
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In other countries, international students need to pay a lot more than domestic students.
As they do here....in general at least as they are not eligible for aid.
Internationals are not eligible for need-based aid at publics and at many privates. However, several top schools indeed give a large amount of need-based aid to internationals. You can see this data in section H6 of the Common Data Set. (Harvard gives $53M per year in institutional grants to internationals)
These pretty much go to international graduate students, except for a few.
Check section H6. This is for undergrad only.
This is a surprise, Harvard has about 1000 international undergraduates, 711 get aid.
There is known trick for some international students, someone give huge donations to Harvard or other elite schools, school admit a VIP's child with financial aid. It's in the news recently that China's Xi, his daughter had full financial aid in Harvard, she doesn't need but that's how Harvard admit those kind of kids.
Anonymous
05/25/2025 20:24
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am absolutely all for gifted international students coming to the US for college. I think it’s a positive all around. And I get how some low endowment schools need the income of full pay international students to make things work.
But the NY Times had an article today listing the schools with the most international students. I think it’s nuts that more than 30 percent of students at Columbia, Chicago, CMU, Hopkins, and Northeastern are international. I get it for CalTech, but that’s such a specialized school. We definitely have a big enough talent pool of students - including full pay students - to fill those classes at those schools. So I’m perplexed why schools like Columbia and Northeastern are choosing to be so heavily international
Let me introduce you to the concept known as "money". Those schools have a heavy STEM presence. China and India have an endless supply of students who could go toe to toe with top US students. So it is an easy win, win, win for all. The college gets whip-smart students, more money, and the student gets a chance to work in the US or bring that degree back home.
Amid all your celebrating over the win, win, win, you forgot to include the LOSE part. You know, the part where the foreign student takes his STEM knowledge back to his home country & it is used to kill Americans & their allies. But those are usually just military people, not important people like you.
Anonymous
05/25/2025 20:23
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?
Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.
NO!
-Left leaning moderate who does not want the government dictating every decision!
Then stop grabbing our tax dollars!
Anonymous
05/25/2025 20:18
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:Let's just go full N. Korea and just wrap ourselves in the flags and weapons. 🤷
Typical lib^. Takes any idea & runs too far with it. Doesn’t know when to stop, & isn’t smart enough to handle the gray area between extremes.
In contrast, Trump always takes a tough stand at the start, & softens his position during the negotiations.
Anonymous
05/25/2025 19:57
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Yes, we should prioritize educating our own population over foreign students. 1000%
Anonymous
05/25/2025 19:34
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
I graduated from elite colleges and am aware the % of international students is much higher now than it was 25 years ago. I do think there is a valid argument to be made that if these schools are taking in hundreds of millions in Fed funding and even more, then they do have some obligations to prioritize American students. It wasn't an issue in 2000, so perhaps return to 2000 levels. It's all about feeling proportional and the battles around Harvard and other schools is the feeling that they are not being proportional, whether it's student demographics or campus culture.
Anonymous
05/25/2025 19:03
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Let's just go full N. Korea and just wrap ourselves in the flags and weapons. 🤷
Anonymous
05/25/2025 18:35
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In other countries, international students need to pay a lot more than domestic students.
As they do here....in general at least as they are not eligible for aid.
Internationals are not eligible for need-based aid at publics and at many privates. However, several top schools indeed give a large amount of need-based aid to internationals. You can see this data in section H6 of the Common Data Set. (Harvard gives $53M per year in institutional grants to internationals)
These pretty much go to international graduate students, except for a few.
Check section H6. This is for undergrad only.
Anonymous
05/25/2025 18:27
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In other countries, international students need to pay a lot more than domestic students.
As they do here....in general at least as they are not eligible for aid.
Internationals are not eligible for need-based aid at publics and at many privates. However, several top schools indeed give a large amount of need-based aid to internationals. You can see this data in section H6 of the Common Data Set. (Harvard gives $53M per year in institutional grants to internationals)
These pretty much go to international graduate students, except for a few.
Anonymous
05/25/2025 18:24
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?
Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.
NO!
-Left leaning moderate who does not want the government dictating every decision!
Anonymous
05/25/2025 15:48
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
LOL, Trump is doing this because Baron was not accepted at Stanford, Harvard, and Columbia.
Funny because out of all of Trump's kids, Baron is the only one with some brain cells.
He will come for retribution at some point. He is his mother's son. It's not going to be Don Jr in 2028 it will be Barron because they will remove the age restrictions watch and wait.
Funny because out of all of Trump's kids, Baron is the only one with some brain cells.
He will come for retribution at some point. He is his mother's son. It's not going to be Don Jr in 2028 it will be Barron because they will remove the age restrictions watch and wait.
Anonymous
05/25/2025 15:20
Subject: Maybe it would be a good thing if Trump limited international students at t100 schools?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In other countries, international students need to pay a lot more than domestic students.
As they do here....in general at least as they are not eligible for aid.
Internationals are not eligible for need-based aid at publics and at many privates. However, several top schools indeed give a large amount of need-based aid to internationals. You can see this data in section H6 of the Common Data Set. (Harvard gives $53M per year in institutional grants to internationals)