Anonymous wrote:Why do people do this? In my group of friends (upper middle class) there’s a few that constantly gossip or talk about those that lost weight using ozempic. It’s their favorite topic. I find it so rude. Why do you care? Especially because many of these people actually look a lot healthier and more fit now. Especially if you’re heavy, why the hate towards people who choose to lose the weight?

Because they lose the superiority of being skinny. So now it has to be " skinny without help" except a majority of people DO need help to be skinny in later years. Its also how much you are willing to slave to being skinny which means extreme dieting, vomiting, or orthorexia.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

Are you reporting comments here? Did you report even one with insults and swears at the “anti” people. I’m guessing no.

You are free to report yourself. I'm assuming the button works the same way for you as it does for me.

Oh no, I want it to be clear who is doing the swearing and flying off the handle. But please don’t pretend you are into civil discourse when you selectively report.

This. The lack of self reflection on part of the PP who continually hurls ad hominems, is pretty telling.

No need to sockpuppet dear.

Sweetheart, ask Jeff - I'm a different poster. Or just report it, since truth is hard for you. It's the easy way out

I'm glad you're showing everyone what a nice person you are. Just a delight.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

Are you reporting comments here? Did you report even one with insults and swears at the “anti” people. I’m guessing no.

You are free to report yourself. I'm assuming the button works the same way for you as it does for me.

Oh no, I want it to be clear who is doing the swearing and flying off the handle. But please don’t pretend you are into civil discourse when you selectively report.

This. The lack of self reflection on part of the PP who continually hurls ad hominems, is pretty telling.

No need to sockpuppet dear.

Sweetheart, ask Jeff - I'm a different poster. Or just report it, since truth is hard for you. It's the easy way out

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

DP. As has been stated several times in this thread, some of us have been there. We want you to succeed, but taking the easy way doesn't come without consequences (and we know, you're doing to deny that GLP1's are an easier way). Long term success necessitates dealing more than just the extra pounds.

But we get it -- you think we're making it up, just haters, just horrible people, etc. There's a big mental journey that comes with losing and maintaining weight loss. And those of us who have done this successfully are trying to offer some suggestions. But sure, your mental health is fine, no one's overeating because they have deep stuff to untangle, etc.

Nothing we say will suffice. You've made up your own narrative about those who are responding to OP's question sincerely.

GLP-1s have been in use for more than 20 years. Can you please educate the rest of us on what the “consequences” have been for the earliest users of these drugs, people who have been studied extensively in multiple countries?

And no, long term, stable therapeutic effects of GLP-1 use don’t require “dealing” with anything additional, actually. Other than continued compliance with medication instructions. Statins for lowering serum lipids are the perfect analogy. As long as you keep taking them for the rest of your life, your serum cholesterol will remain in range. Would it be great if you also adopted a plant based diet and gave up the Velveeta? Yes absolutely but even if you don’t, your serum cholesterol will stay low and stable with the continued use of medication. No therapy is required.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

Are you reporting comments here? Did you report even one with insults and swears at the “anti” people. I’m guessing no.

You are free to report yourself. I'm assuming the button works the same way for you as it does for me.

Oh no, I want it to be clear who is doing the swearing and flying off the handle. But please don’t pretend you are into civil discourse when you selectively report.

This. The lack of self reflection on part of the PP who continually hurls ad hominems, is pretty telling.

No need to sockpuppet dear.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

Are you reporting comments here? Did you report even one with insults and swears at the “anti” people. I’m guessing no.

You are free to report yourself. I'm assuming the button works the same way for you as it does for me.

Oh no, I want it to be clear who is doing the swearing and flying off the handle. But please don’t pretend you are into civil discourse when you selectively report.

You are free to take your offended self to another thread since you should have been able to surmise by now that no one cares about your ignorant "advice."

Another post with insults and no substance.

You don't read the ones with substance. I love the victim playing. Keep it up.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

Are you reporting comments here? Did you report even one with insults and swears at the “anti” people. I’m guessing no.

You are free to report yourself. I'm assuming the button works the same way for you as it does for me.

Oh no, I want it to be clear who is doing the swearing and flying off the handle. But please don’t pretend you are into civil discourse when you selectively report.

This. The lack of self reflection on part of the PP who continually hurls ad hominems, is pretty telling.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

DP. As has been stated several times in this thread, some of us have been there. We want you to succeed, but taking the easy way doesn't come without consequences (and we know, you're doing to deny that GLP1's are an easier way). Long term success necessitates dealing more than just the extra pounds.

But we get it -- you think we're making it up, just haters, just horrible people, etc. There's a big mental journey that comes with losing and maintaining weight loss. And those of us who have done this successfully are trying to offer some suggestions. But sure, your mental health is fine, no one's overeating because they have deep stuff to untangle, etc.

Nothing we say will suffice. You've made up your own narrative about those who are responding to OP's question sincerely.

My goodness. What a mixture of condescension, main character syndrome, and ignorance.

My goodness. What a mixture of childishness, deflection, and incredible ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

Are you reporting comments here? Did you report even one with insults and swears at the “anti” people. I’m guessing no.

You are free to report yourself. I'm assuming the button works the same way for you as it does for me.

Oh no, I want it to be clear who is doing the swearing and flying off the handle. But please don’t pretend you are into civil discourse when you selectively report.

You are free to take your offended self to another thread since you should have been able to surmise by now that no one cares about your ignorant "advice."

Another post with insults and no substance.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

Are you reporting comments here? Did you report even one with insults and swears at the “anti” people. I’m guessing no.

You are free to report yourself. I'm assuming the button works the same way for you as it does for me.

Oh no, I want it to be clear who is doing the swearing and flying off the handle. But please don’t pretend you are into civil discourse when you selectively report.

You are free to take your offended self to another thread since you should have been able to surmise by now that no one cares about your ignorant "advice."

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

DP here. PP is right. You made the claim. You need to prove it. As Hitchens's Razor says, "That which which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".

Not on a GLP but….Calories in, calories out still applies. They are still in calorie deficit because science.

Not always. I eat & feel 100% the same off and on GLP-1. The difference? I’m able to lose weight (s l o w l y) while on GLP. Oh and lowered my A1c (prediabetic), cholesterol and BP.

CICO still applies. It’s your burn rate that is changing.

Doesn't that a prove the opposite? That it's not just cico, but actually also something also that affects metabolism or burn rate?

Exactly. I’m growing tired of the CICO know-it-alls.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

Are you reporting comments here? Did you report even one with insults and swears at the “anti” people. I’m guessing no.

You are free to report yourself. I'm assuming the button works the same way for you as it does for me.

Oh no, I want it to be clear who is doing the swearing and flying off the handle. But please don’t pretend you are into civil discourse when you selectively report.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

DP. As has been stated several times in this thread, some of us have been there. We want you to succeed, but taking the easy way doesn't come without consequences (and we know, you're doing to deny that GLP1's are an easier way). Long term success necessitates dealing more than just the extra pounds.

But we get it -- you think we're making it up, just haters, just horrible people, etc. There's a big mental journey that comes with losing and maintaining weight loss. And those of us who have done this successfully are trying to offer some suggestions. But sure, your mental health is fine, no one's overeating because they have deep stuff to untangle, etc.

Nothing we say will suffice. You've made up your own narrative about those who are responding to OP's question sincerely.

My goodness. What a mixture of condescension, main character syndrome, and ignorance.

DP. Yet another response full of personal insults and no substance.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

Are you reporting comments here? Did you report even one with insults and swears at the “anti” people. I’m guessing no.

You are free to report yourself. I'm assuming the button works the same way for you as it does for me.

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Anonymous wrote:The defensiveness in this thread is insane. I have never seen a person lose weight via diet an exercise be so angry and bothered as some of the people here.

Because they don't get accused of doing it the wrong and lazy way. So why would they be defensive when not attacked?

You are doubting the fact that diet and exercise is the better, and more challenging way?

Better? No it’s not better. Are you doubting the fact that people taking these meds are doing diet and excerxise? Because I worked out 6 days a week and made a hell of a lot of changes to my diet.

Yes, I absolutely doubt that all or even a significant majority of the people taking these drugs exercise 6 days a week and eat healthfully.

That’s because you choose to stay ignorant. That’s totally on you.

I eagerly await your support for the claim that all or a significant majority of people on this drug are *actually* exercising 6 days a week and eating healthfully. You know, so I don’t stay ignorant.

I told you what I did. You are the one making a claim that majority of the people do not. So the burden of proof is on you, moron.

So you don’t have any. Thanks that’s what I thought.

You’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

I know men on the drug as well, and their reaction is so different. Many tell everyone and they don’t have the same shame. I can’t imagine any of them getting upset with anyone calling it the easy or lazy way out. Most I know would say: damn straight.

Instead, here, we have posters who are so sensitive that they just swear at other posters.

Why do you care if it’s anything? You’re thin and happy right? This is none of your business!!!!

This is a discussion board. Why are you here if you don’t want to discuss? Just to stomp out view points you are too sensitive to hear? The topic is in the title of the thread, no surprises here.

As I stated repeatedly, I take these drugs. I know how they work first hand. You are not on these drugs. You have no idea how they impact people. You aren’t here to learn or discuss. You are here to shit on people for sport. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Look at your language. No one is sh*tting on you. That is your own sensitivity speaking. There is only one side swearing at the other.

Your gaslighting is not working on me. I see you for who you truly are. A miserable, bitter person who needs to lash out at people to make herself feel better.

No gaslighting and lashing out. You folks are the ones swearing at posters.

Calling us lazy and telling us we took the easy way out is lashing out in my book. It is totally unprovoked. I am still baffled as to why you need to say something like that. You aren't "discussing" anything as you claimed.

Do you see the topic of this thread? This is not a general thread on the use of GLP1s and poster called someone lazy. It’s a thread about reasons for gossiping and shaming people. It’s not unprovoked, That’s the topic. I’m still baffled why you are here if don’t want to read these comments.

Oh I've read all of the comments. Even the ones Jeff deleted. You clearly haven't though. The ones I'm referring to simply said, "Those who take the drugs are lazy." So are you saying that the gossiping in such a way are right? Are you saying you disagree with them? This is personal to me since I take the drugs. What bearing does this have on your life?

DP. As has been stated several times in this thread, some of us have been there. We want you to succeed, but taking the easy way doesn't come without consequences (and we know, you're doing to deny that GLP1's are an easier way). Long term success necessitates dealing more than just the extra pounds.

But we get it -- you think we're making it up, just haters, just horrible people, etc. There's a big mental journey that comes with losing and maintaining weight loss. And those of us who have done this successfully are trying to offer some suggestions. But sure, your mental health is fine, no one's overeating because they have deep stuff to untangle, etc.

Nothing we say will suffice. You've made up your own narrative about those who are responding to OP's question sincerely.

I think you should worry about your own mental health. Mine is fine. I think it's some kind of delusion you're suffering from that paints every overweight person as mentally ill. No amount of education is going to change your mind, I know.

It has been stated by me and others that OF COURSE it's easier to lose weight on these drugs. That is the whole point. What it is NOT and the only thing we have a problem with is "lazy" or "invalid." You choose to not read countless posts by people who are saying over and over and over again it's still work and you have to make the same changes. The drugs just make it possible. I lost weight several times the hard way. I know what it takes. You, however, have no idea what weight loss on those drugs takes since you've never taken them. It's not stopping you from trashing everyone who takes them even though I'm healthier than I've ever been. So I guess you're right about one thing. Nothing you say will change my mind. You're aren't my doctor. You aren't walking in my shoes. You are just here to be nasty for sport since this has no bearing on your life whatsoever. But sure, let's examine my mental health.

I've also said over and over again