Anonymous wrote:I'm not SEC, but another office with lots of lawyers, and we are having the same 8 hours versus 8.5 hours argument. We collectively hate ourselves for this.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

Well, first off, the agency has thrown the CBA out the window. They can’t pick and choose which provisions they like or don’t. Second, the CBA isn’t policy anyway (as we’ve seen with telework).

Third, I can work from 630 - 230. Then go to lunch (wherever I want). 8 hours of work done. Timecard is perfectly accurate.

Wrong. See FLSA.

They’re corresponding badge swipes to time cards. You’re required to have an unpaid lunch in the office. Swiping for only 8 hours means you’re defrauding the government of 0.5 hours/day.

You do you, but seems like a sure fire way to be on the future RIF list.

You’re just making stuff up. Nothing says that you can’t take your lunch outside the office. So you’re saying I can’t go to a nearby restaurant for lunch? Isn’t that Bowser’s whole rationale for loving RTO??

Sure you can. But you’re making stuff up if you think you can take “lunch” at 2:30 and pretend you worked 8 hours after being in the office from 6:30am (as though you didn’t eat). I suggest you reach out to OHR or OGC. Guarantee they’ll tell you it’s 8.5 hours in the office inclusive of unpaid lunch (wherever you want to take it), and you can’t use the unpaid lunch to shorten your work day by 30 min.

Nobody’s pretending. I did work from 630-2:30. Why the hell does it matter when or where I eat lunch?? The government got 8 hrs of work from me, and I was paid for 8 hrs.

You are LITERALLY saving your lunch (and breakfast?) to shorten your work day. Good luck to you!

My “work day” isn’t shortened. It’s 8 hours. It would have been very easy to write a rule to say what you think it says or what you WANT it to say or what you WISH it said. They didn’t.

Then what do you think the provision that says you can’t save your lunch to shorten your day means?

That you can’t forgo lunch and only work 7.5 hours? No idea.

Where is this “provision” written anyway? Just the CBA? The CBA isn’t HR policy. Obviously. Or are you saying I’ll be fired for violating the CBA? That’d be ironic, no?

Right, the fact that you can’t come up for an alternative meaning that makes any sense shows that the CBA provision does mean what you are desperately trying to fight against. A contract isn’t going to be interpreted in a way that completely writes out a provision.

I’m not sure the CBA wouldn’t be viewed as hr policy, but that’s kind of a semantic difference. Yeah, you could view getting fired for violating the CBA as ironic. That won’t put bread on your table.

Point me to anything on this earth that says (or even implies) that an employee may be terminated for violating the CBA. That she didn’t even voluntarily agree to, btw.

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A contract isn’t going to be interpreted in a way that completely writes out a provision.

Very well done! (What about 0% TW?)

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A contract isn’t going to be interpreted in a way that completely writes out a provision.

Very well done! (What about 0% TW?)

A contract isn’t going to be interpreted in a way that completely writes out a provision.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

Well, first off, the agency has thrown the CBA out the window. They can’t pick and choose which provisions they like or don’t. Second, the CBA isn’t policy anyway (as we’ve seen with telework).

Third, I can work from 630 - 230. Then go to lunch (wherever I want). 8 hours of work done. Timecard is perfectly accurate.

Wrong. See FLSA.

They’re corresponding badge swipes to time cards. You’re required to have an unpaid lunch in the office. Swiping for only 8 hours means you’re defrauding the government of 0.5 hours/day.

You do you, but seems like a sure fire way to be on the future RIF list.

You’re just making stuff up. Nothing says that you can’t take your lunch outside the office. So you’re saying I can’t go to a nearby restaurant for lunch? Isn’t that Bowser’s whole rationale for loving RTO??

Sure you can. But you’re making stuff up if you think you can take “lunch” at 2:30 and pretend you worked 8 hours after being in the office from 6:30am (as though you didn’t eat). I suggest you reach out to OHR or OGC. Guarantee they’ll tell you it’s 8.5 hours in the office inclusive of unpaid lunch (wherever you want to take it), and you can’t use the unpaid lunch to shorten your work day by 30 min.

Nobody’s pretending. I did work from 630-2:30. Why the hell does it matter when or where I eat lunch?? The government got 8 hrs of work from me, and I was paid for 8 hrs.

You are LITERALLY saving your lunch (and breakfast?) to shorten your work day. Good luck to you!

My “work day” isn’t shortened. It’s 8 hours. It would have been very easy to write a rule to say what you think it says or what you WANT it to say or what you WISH it said. They didn’t.

Then what do you think the provision that says you can’t save your lunch to shorten your day means?

That you can’t forgo lunch and only work 7.5 hours? No idea.

Where is this “provision” written anyway? Just the CBA? The CBA isn’t HR policy. Obviously. Or are you saying I’ll be fired for violating the CBA? That’d be ironic, no?

Right, the fact that you can’t come up for an alternative meaning that makes any sense shows that the CBA provision does mean what you are desperately trying to fight against. A contract isn’t going to be interpreted in a way that completely writes out a provision.

I’m not sure the CBA wouldn’t be viewed as hr policy, but that’s kind of a semantic difference. Yeah, you could view getting fired for violating the CBA as ironic. That won’t put bread on your table.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

Well, first off, the agency has thrown the CBA out the window. They can’t pick and choose which provisions they like or don’t. Second, the CBA isn’t policy anyway (as we’ve seen with telework).

Third, I can work from 630 - 230. Then go to lunch (wherever I want). 8 hours of work done. Timecard is perfectly accurate.

Wrong. See FLSA.

They’re corresponding badge swipes to time cards. You’re required to have an unpaid lunch in the office. Swiping for only 8 hours means you’re defrauding the government of 0.5 hours/day.

You do you, but seems like a sure fire way to be on the future RIF list.

You’re just making stuff up. Nothing says that you can’t take your lunch outside the office. So you’re saying I can’t go to a nearby restaurant for lunch? Isn’t that Bowser’s whole rationale for loving RTO??

Sure you can. But you’re making stuff up if you think you can take “lunch” at 2:30 and pretend you worked 8 hours after being in the office from 6:30am (as though you didn’t eat). I suggest you reach out to OHR or OGC. Guarantee they’ll tell you it’s 8.5 hours in the office inclusive of unpaid lunch (wherever you want to take it), and you can’t use the unpaid lunch to shorten your work day by 30 min.

Nobody’s pretending. I did work from 630-2:30. Why the hell does it matter when or where I eat lunch?? The government got 8 hrs of work from me, and I was paid for 8 hrs.

You are LITERALLY saving your lunch (and breakfast?) to shorten your work day. Good luck to you!

My “work day” isn’t shortened. It’s 8 hours. It would have been very easy to write a rule to say what you think it says or what you WANT it to say or what you WISH it said. They didn’t.

Then what do you think the provision that says you can’t save your lunch to shorten your day means?

That you can’t forgo lunch and only work 7.5 hours? No idea.

Where is this “provision” written anyway? Just the CBA? The CBA isn’t HR policy. Obviously. Or are you saying I’ll be fired for violating the CBA? That’d be ironic, no?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

Well, first off, the agency has thrown the CBA out the window. They can’t pick and choose which provisions they like or don’t. Second, the CBA isn’t policy anyway (as we’ve seen with telework).

Third, I can work from 630 - 230. Then go to lunch (wherever I want). 8 hours of work done. Timecard is perfectly accurate.

I don’t see how your first and second points differ, and the agency would not agree that the CBA isn’t still in effect, and you probably wouldn’t want that because plenty of other things would also go out the window.

Your time card might be accurate, but you would be violating the CBA lunch provision (and at least theoretically could face some sort of discipline) if you took your lunch outside the building, as in you were only in the office for 8 hours. If you took it in the office, they’d have no way to know since you’d have 8.5 hours in the office.

You can do whatever you like, but it seems like they are going to be looking at badge records to make sure people are complying with RTO, and if they consistently see you in the office only 8 hours, you are taking a risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

Well, first off, the agency has thrown the CBA out the window. They can’t pick and choose which provisions they like or don’t. Second, the CBA isn’t policy anyway (as we’ve seen with telework).

Third, I can work from 630 - 230. Then go to lunch (wherever I want). 8 hours of work done. Timecard is perfectly accurate.

Wrong. See FLSA.

They’re corresponding badge swipes to time cards. You’re required to have an unpaid lunch in the office. Swiping for only 8 hours means you’re defrauding the government of 0.5 hours/day.

You do you, but seems like a sure fire way to be on the future RIF list.

You’re just making stuff up. Nothing says that you can’t take your lunch outside the office. So you’re saying I can’t go to a nearby restaurant for lunch? Isn’t that Bowser’s whole rationale for loving RTO??

Sure you can. But you’re making stuff up if you think you can take “lunch” at 2:30 and pretend you worked 8 hours after being in the office from 6:30am (as though you didn’t eat). I suggest you reach out to OHR or OGC. Guarantee they’ll tell you it’s 8.5 hours in the office inclusive of unpaid lunch (wherever you want to take it), and you can’t use the unpaid lunch to shorten your work day by 30 min.

Nobody’s pretending. I did work from 630-2:30. Why the hell does it matter when or where I eat lunch?? The government got 8 hrs of work from me, and I was paid for 8 hrs.

You are LITERALLY saving your lunch (and breakfast?) to shorten your work day. Good luck to you!

My “work day” isn’t shortened. It’s 8 hours. It would have been very easy to write a rule to say what you think it says or what you WANT it to say or what you WISH it said. They didn’t.

Then what do you think the provision that says you can’t save your lunch to shorten your day means?

Anonymous wrote:I heard that they’re installing badge swipes in restrooms and will deduct time taking a dump from your 8 hrs. Can’t take a dump to shorten your workday!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.” Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

Well, first off, the agency has thrown the CBA out the window. They can’t pick and choose which provisions they like or don’t. Second, the CBA isn’t policy anyway (as we’ve seen with telework).

Third, I can work from 630 - 230. Then go to lunch (wherever I want). 8 hours of work done. Timecard is perfectly accurate.

Wrong. See FLSA.

They’re corresponding badge swipes to time cards. You’re required to have an unpaid lunch in the office. Swiping for only 8 hours means you’re defrauding the government of 0.5 hours/day.

You do you, but seems like a sure fire way to be on the future RIF list.

You’re just making stuff up. Nothing says that you can’t take your lunch outside the office. So you’re saying I can’t go to a nearby restaurant for lunch? Isn’t that Bowser’s whole rationale for loving RTO??

Sure you can. But you’re making stuff up if you think you can take “lunch” at 2:30 and pretend you worked 8 hours after being in the office from 6:30am (as though you didn’t eat). I suggest you reach out to OHR or OGC. Guarantee they’ll tell you it’s 8.5 hours in the office inclusive of unpaid lunch (wherever you want to take it), and you can’t use the unpaid lunch to shorten your work day by 30 min.

Nobody’s pretending. I did work from 630-2:30. Why the hell does it matter when or where I eat lunch?? The government got 8 hrs of work from me, and I was paid for 8 hrs.

You are LITERALLY saving your lunch (and breakfast?) to shorten your work day. Good luck to you!

My “work day” isn’t shortened. It’s 8 hours. It would have been very easy to write a rule to say what you think it says or what you WANT it to say or what you WISH it said. They didn’t.