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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

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Where is the evidence that kids with “lesser stats” are being accepted from OOS? Could that just be sour grapes talking?

Reading the anecdotes from parents stating their kids' stats and whether they were accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

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Where is the evidence that kids with “lesser stats” are being accepted from OOS? Could that just be sour grapes talking?

Go on any FB college group and see the stats posted from OOS accepted vs. instate accepted/deferred.

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

I would also note that when new graduates of highly rated schools end up at Booz Allen or SAIC with JMU grads, their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on.

But in all honesty...they don't end up at McKinsey, or Citadel or Goldman Sachs or Blackstone with JMU grads...which is why their snobbery exists to start.

I would be disappointed if my kid went to work for McKinsey.

If my kids ended up at McKinsey or Goldman, I'd be wondering how I'd failed as a parent (with apologies for going off topic, and wishing luck to those hoping for good news from JMU).

I don't get it...is Morgan Stanley acceptable? Are you saying you failed as a parent because your kid decided to enter the entire field of investment banking or private equity or investment management?

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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

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Where is the evidence that kids with “lesser stats” are being accepted from OOS? Could that just be sour grapes talking?

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

I would also note that when new graduates of highly rated schools end up at Booz Allen or SAIC with JMU grads, their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on.

But in all honesty...they don't end up at McKinsey, or Citadel or Goldman Sachs or Blackstone with JMU grads...which is why their snobbery exists to start.

I would be disappointed if my kid went to work for McKinsey.

If my kids ended up at McKinsey or Goldman, I'd be wondering how I'd failed as a parent (with apologies for going off topic, and wishing luck to those hoping for good news from JMU).

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

I would also note that when new graduates of highly rated schools end up at Booz Allen or SAIC with JMU grads, their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on.

But in all honesty...they don't end up at McKinsey, or Citadel or Goldman Sachs or Blackstone with JMU grads...which is why their snobbery exists to start.

I would be disappointed if my kid went to work for McKinsey.

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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

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Where is the evidence that kids with “lesser stats” are being accepted from OOS? Could that just be sour grapes talking?

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

I would also note that when new graduates of highly rated schools end up at Booz Allen or SAIC with JMU grads, their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on.

But in all honesty...they don't end up at McKinsey, or Citadel or Goldman Sachs or Blackstone with JMU grads...which is why their snobbery exists to start.

I agree. But GS, McKinsey and Citadel are still going to only take top 25-35% from HYPS. So with middle tier grads from those schools end up sharing a cubicle at Booz with JMU grads, all they have to fall back on is their pedigree. And I speak from experience having to deal with a Brown grad at SAIC as a JMU grad. The Andy Bernard caricature of a Cornell grad (from the Office) at a job he perceives to be below his station is spot-on.

This is so true and also very amusing. I’ve seen it in action too.
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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

I would also note that when new graduates of highly rated schools end up at Booz Allen or SAIC with JMU grads, their snobbery manifests even harder because they aren’t sure what they spent $350k on.

But in all honesty...they don't end up at McKinsey, or Citadel or Goldman Sachs or Blackstone with JMU grads...which is why their snobbery exists to start.

I agree. But GS, McKinsey and Citadel are still going to only take top 25-35% from HYPS. So with middle tier grads from those schools end up sharing a cubicle at Booz with JMU grads, all they have to fall back on is their pedigree. And I speak from experience having to deal with a Brown grad at SAIC as a JMU grad. The Andy Bernard caricature of a Cornell grad (from the Office) at a job he perceives to be below his station is spot-on.

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Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.

I agree. But when the college website says to aim for at least a 3.6 GPA and A's and B's in core subjects, and posts it average test scores, you would expect the OOS-ers to have more than a 3.5 GPA. They should be 3.9+ and on the higher end of the median range of test scores.

Only like 30% of JMU enrolled students actually submit scores. Hard to enforce this if 70% don't even submit (which includes a bunch of OOS folks too).

They could require test scores from OOS applicants. If you have different minimum standards, you can require additional information. Personally, I think JMU needs to re-think the "optional" for an essay/personal statement and "optional" letter of recommendation. They should up their application requirements for in-state. It would seem less "random" to those deferred or rejected.

Why would any student serious about a school consider any essay or letter of recommendation as optional? That’s just dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

DP. I would add that some of us JMU parents of students with stats that ARE high enough for some other schools also prefer the culture of the "lower ranked" school anyway. As PP said, high stats need not equal elitist snob.

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Anonymous wrote:I will be over the moon if any of my three kids go to JMU!!! I went there in the 90’s as did my sister. Both of us have great careers and absolutely loved our time there.

One of the reasons I love hiring JMU grads is they don’t think their sh*t doesn’t smell.

Wow. That reflects highly on JMU. Eloquently stated.

Perfect reflection of the poster's point. JMU isn't full of elitist judgy snobs.

I don't get these comments. It isn't full of elitist judgey snobs because elitist judgey snobs can get into much higher-ranked schools.

Not a reflection on JMU but merely how the world works. Iowa State and University of Oregon and Colorado State (all generally the same rank) also aren't filled with elitist judgey snobs. GMU and VCU I gather are also not filled with elitist judgey snobs.

Is this all a veiled snipe at UVA or something?

Even among higher ranked schools, some are more known for their elitist judgy snob vibe—like Duke and, yes, UVA. High stats kids need not automatically be elitist snobs.

Many people on this site who are obsessed with rankings like to sneer at a school like JMU. What these comments are saying is that, yes, we know that our kids’ stats are not high enough for some schools, but we’re fine with that because we prefer the culture of the lower ranked school anyway.

Does that help?

Anonymous wrote:Marylander here and I agree state public schools should prioritize in-state applicants and require higher stats of out-of-state applicants. I think some VA publics do, including UVA and WM. It’s disappointing when publics prioritize higher OOS tuition over raising the academic caliber of the student body. But I’m not convinced that’s always the case when students with lower grades or SATs get accepted over others that are more competitive on those two metrics. We’re not privy to other equally important parts of the application.