Anonymous
Post 06/16/2025 18:07     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her

For students in 90+ percentile, I do think mcps’s lack of rigor results in them wasting maybe five hours a day. As much as I like the idea of public, it’s become to focused on helping the bottom performers in ES and MS, so I am for vouchers. There needs to he competition to remove complacency and unresponsiveness of CO.


I agree. Imagine if we could cultivate these kids. Seems like potential wasted by inhibiting them from fulfilling their potential. The creme of the crop should be treated with resources similar to the bottom feeders. Society would value both. Or is it the moco taxpayers value the bottom only?
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2025 15:45     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the difference between cohorted Advanced CKLA vs the old ELC? And how does it compare to CES (which just seem like a way to bus kids to improve numbers elsewhere).

Assuming it's cohorted, is the new cohorted advanced CKLA just as good?



Model 1 (cohorted advanced class) is replacement for ELC. It is a new curriculum — that is the difference.

No one is going to be able to answer whether it is just as good unless they have seen the new curriculum. CKLA is strong so in theory a cohorted class that moves at a faster pace and incorporates enrichment throughout is strong — but the specifics of what is in the curriculum, and how it is implemented, matter.


Good point. I do think cohorting is important. And I have liked CKLA during the 3rd grade (and al grade for my other child) this year. So I'm glad to stick with it but have it be cohorted with other kids who are able to move at a quicker pace
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2025 15:39     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:What is the difference between cohorted Advanced CKLA vs the old ELC? And how does it compare to CES (which just seem like a way to bus kids to improve numbers elsewhere).

Assuming it's cohorted, is the new cohorted advanced CKLA just as good?



Model 1 (cohorted advanced class) is replacement for ELC. It is a new curriculum — that is the difference.

No one is going to be able to answer whether it is just as good unless they have seen the new curriculum. CKLA is strong so in theory a cohorted class that moves at a faster pace and incorporates enrichment throughout is strong — but the specifics of what is in the curriculum, and how it is implemented, matter.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2025 14:57     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
What is the difference between cohorted Advanced CKLA vs the old ELC? And how does it compare to CES (which just seem like a way to bus kids to improve numbers elsewhere).

Assuming it's cohorted, is the new cohorted advanced CKLA just as good?

Anonymous
Post 06/16/2025 07:53     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well-regarded privates are good for bright students, but not for truly gifted students. That’s why it is such a shame that CES/magnet programming has been watered down through the lottery. Many gifted students are in their home schools, and those who get in are finding a program that is not nearly as rigorous as it used to be


That is watered down. What a shame. Just get rid of CES then.

What are the options for middle school? They don't offer gifted programs at local schools? Is it a lottery again for Eastern and Takoma which will turn off many gifted kids bc of the long bus rides?


Middle school magnets work almost exactly the same as CES, yes. High school is different.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2025 07:48     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her

For students in 90+ percentile, I do think mcps’s lack of rigor results in them wasting maybe five hours a day. As much as I like the idea of public, it’s become to focused on helping the bottom performers in ES and MS, so I am for vouchers. There needs to he competition to remove complacency and unresponsiveness of CO.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2025 07:06     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:Well-regarded privates are good for bright students, but not for truly gifted students. That’s why it is such a shame that CES/magnet programming has been watered down through the lottery. Many gifted students are in their home schools, and those who get in are finding a program that is not nearly as rigorous as it used to be


That is watered down. What a shame. Just get rid of CES then.

What are the options for middle school? They don't offer gifted programs at local schools? Is it a lottery again for Eastern and Takoma which will turn off many gifted kids bc of the long bus rides?
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2025 21:22     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Well-regarded privates are good for bright students, but not for truly gifted students. That’s why it is such a shame that CES/magnet programming has been watered down through the lottery. Many gifted students are in their home schools, and those who get in are finding a program that is not nearly as rigorous as it used to be
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2025 21:06     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her


Private schools are less rigorous than public in elementary. For example, our private k-8 used the Bridges math curriculum which is more than a year behind Eureka. Most privates don’t cohort for math and English until 6th grade at the minimum. At least we have contacted math in 4th grade in mcps


What about in middle school and high school? I have wondered the same if MCPS squanders the potential of highly abled/gifted kids.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2025 21:03     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her


Private schools are less rigorous than public in elementary. For example, our private k-8 used the Bridges math curriculum which is more than a year behind Eureka. Most privates don’t cohort for math and English until 6th grade at the minimum. At least we have contacted math in 4th grade in mcps


Eureka is a joke though. Number bonds?! My kid is so bored I enrolled him in Russian school of mathematics for after school.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2025 20:34     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her


Private schools are less rigorous than public in elementary. For example, our private k-8 used the Bridges math curriculum which is more than a year behind Eureka. Most privates don’t cohort for math and English until 6th grade at the minimum. At least we have contacted math in 4th grade in mcps
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2025 19:59     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2025 19:56     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love Yang’s question around this. Why is compacted math a system wide decision but Enriched Literacy was left up to principals to decide.


I noticed that presenter who appeared over video said data illustrated ELC kids performed better than CES. Does anyone know what study this was?

We turned down CES bc the long bus ride and being pulled out of environment with siblings and friends seemed less than ideal. There was no transparency ELC was going away at thedeadline to reply to CES though... so we may regret it.... Unless we get model 1, I guess. Oh well


Not that they performed better — that they made gains at a higher rate. Those are different. There is an MCPS analysis fronts. Few years back on this.


This one? https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2020/CES%20and%20ELC%20Examination%2010Jan2020.pdf

Note that this was back before the CES became a lottery, so CES kids would have had gotten into the CES because they had higher scores to start with than ELC kids (for the most part.)


Thanks. Good point.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2025 19:52     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:Old list of gifted liaisons here, may or may not be the same now (the one at our school is still the same): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DBK2SxCHj63vMk2kVLk_1grZzV1Prp2adBvaBktzH28/edit?usp=drivesdk



Thanks. Apparently they were Cc'd on email. No reply
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2025 19:34     Subject: Looks like ELC is gone
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love Yang’s question around this. Why is compacted math a system wide decision but Enriched Literacy was left up to principals to decide.


I noticed that presenter who appeared over video said data illustrated ELC kids performed better than CES. Does anyone know what study this was?

We turned down CES bc the long bus ride and being pulled out of environment with siblings and friends seemed less than ideal. There was no transparency ELC was going away at thedeadline to reply to CES though... so we may regret it.... Unless we get model 1, I guess. Oh well


Not that they performed better — that they made gains at a higher rate. Those are different. There is an MCPS analysis fronts. Few years back on this.


This one? https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2020/CES%20and%20ELC%20Examination%2010Jan2020.pdf

Note that this was back before the CES became a lottery, so CES kids would have had gotten into the CES because they had higher scores to start with than ELC kids (for the most part.)