Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

My political point is to say that this conversation is an example of how the lack of compassion for those different from you has poisoned our nation's culture. Also, it is helpful to look at how our former political mores are being violated by the day and we don't even notice. If having that conversation (which, by the way is being had in mainstream opinion pages) is uninteresting to you then maybe you should stick to talking to people who think like you. Here at DCUM, there are pesky liberals around so if you don't like us, buzz off.

It’s not lack of compassion to point out errors by Newsom and California administrators that contributed to the disaster. That’s what you consistently aren’t getting.

You are clueless. That is why it is offensive. Your narrative is all political disinformation.

Name one false claim I have posted. I’ll wait.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it’s climate change. Anyone who has lived in CA their whole life knows and feels this.

Palisades and Malibu will rebuild quickly. It’s too good a location and too wealthy to be abandoned.

I really don’t think so. Ca has a lot of building regulations and red tape. Finding a contractor to rebuild your house will take a long time - too much demand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the same crap Trump pulled after the hurricane hit North Carolina, spreading rumors about FEMA workers and making outrageous claims about a lack of funding.

Why do you people support this monster? He shows you time and again who he is and you just eat it up.

Trump was telling the truth, we had an entire House panel about this with the FEMA head having to come in to address it. Are you suggesting this is ok? As for funding, it was Mayorkas who said that funds wouldn’t last the hurricane season, a statement he later tried to backtrack. His comments sparked a furor, don’t blame Trump for discussing his comments.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/fema-employee-fired-telling-workers-to-ignore-trump-supporters-homes-hurricane-relief/

https://apnews.com/article/hurricane-helene-congress-fema-funding-5be4f18e00ce2b509d6830410cf2c1cb

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Slightly separate topic, if Ca has such high winds frequently, why don’t they put up some wind mills in these canyons to capture that energy. I thought they were trying to be green ?

Santa Ana , Diablo and Sundown winds occur only at seasonal times. If they occurred all the time LA, Oakland and Santa Barbara wouldn’t exist.

They aren’t a year round occurrence. There are wind farms out near Livermore and Stockton. They are on flatter rolling hillsides not canyons. I also don’t think you can have a line of windmills in a canyon as it’s too steep.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans are desperately trying to deflect from the fact that the primary cause is climate change. Not lesbian firefighters, not undefined “woke” policies - climate change.

The climate has been changing since most of North America was covered by an ice sheet 10000 years ago. And guess what, it’s going to keep changing, regardless of how many people switch to electric cars.

Human caused climate change is settled fact.
https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

That is absurd. Like really, one of the dumbest posts.

That is like saying we know what gravity is and how it works. We know gravity exists- not really able to figure out how it works. If knew we would have anti-gravity propulsion and not lame airplanes and rockets.

Climate is changing- but we also know that our climate has gone through massive changes previously. So life on this planet has to adapt or go extinct.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it’s climate change. Anyone who has lived in CA their whole life knows and feels this.

Palisades and Malibu will rebuild quickly. It’s too good a location and too wealthy to be abandoned.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it’s climate change. Anyone who has lived in CA their whole life knows and feels this.

Palisades and Malibu will rebuild quickly. It’s too good a location and too wealthy to be abandoned. Eaton will also be rebuilt. Heck, Paradise is also being rebuilt. Hopefully, the new houses will take advantage of new fire resistant materials that were not available when the original houses were built.

Come on now. Multiple arsonists have been arrested. Climate change doesn’t cause people to pick up blowtorches.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14278467/amp/Firefighters-catch-second-arsonist-blazes-Los-Angeles.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

My political point is to say that this conversation is an example of how the lack of compassion for those different from you has poisoned our nation's culture. Also, it is helpful to look at how our former political mores are being violated by the day and we don't even notice. If having that conversation (which, by the way is being had in mainstream opinion pages) is uninteresting to you then maybe you should stick to talking to people who think like you. Here at DCUM, there are pesky liberals around so if you don't like us, buzz off.

It’s not lack of compassion to point out errors by Newsom and California administrators that contributed to the disaster. That’s what you consistently aren’t getting.

It's difficult to take you seriously when mainstream conservative political thought sees fit to advance comepletely bullshit theories about this.

It’s ridiculous to take you seriously when you are more interested in pointing fingers at republicans who literally have no influence in the state rather than finding out why the palisades reservoir was empty, why firefighters are saying they have no water in their hoses, why LA’s firefighter budget was slashed by $18 million, why insurance companies were prevented from projecting future losses in their premium calculations, why California had insurance companies walking away from the state altogether (they obviously understood the risk!), why Newsom cut the wildfire budget by $101 million, and on and on. Of course Americans are sympathetic to the loss of homes and life! But we need to stop these boneheaded actions because California will always have fires due to its topography and landscape.

And this is exactly the kind of half-baked bullshit I'm talking about. Prior to the minor cutback this year, Newsom had increased the CAL-FIRE budget from $2 billion when he took office to 3.8 billion in
the 24-25 budget. Personnel actually increased by approximately 6000 in the same period. Insurance companies were prevented from projecting future losses because no one would be able to buy insurance otherwise (see Florida).

Like I said, you glom on to half-truths because some convicted felon told you so.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The MAGAs politicizing this tragedy are truly disgusting. Why do you hate your fellow countrymen so much just because they vote for democrats?

Agree. As a democrat who grew up in North Carolina, the country really came together in empathy for those who lost homes and businesses. It's very sad to know that apparently the only real Americans are those who live in red states. Those in blue states don't merit our compassion.

Of course there is compassion. There’s also recognition that there were colossal policy errors in that democrat run state that contributed to this.

Ignoring flood zone warnings in red states is not a colossal policy error?

Whataboutism isn’t an argument. Start a new thread if you want to debate flood zones which affect both red and blue states. This is a thread about California.

The point was that there are criticisms to be made of politicians in both states. But making them while people are still in danger is tacky.

This isn’t a thread about red states, it’s about California, so start your own if you want to debate that. But if you click on a thread entitled “oh California”‘on a POLITICAL board then guess what, you’re going to find discussions about how government actions contributed to the disaster. Move along if it’s not a discussion for you. By the way these debates are on dcum and just about editorial page of every major newspaper similar to how we discussed Katrina and Lahaina.

My political point is to say that this conversation is an example of how the lack of compassion for those different from you has poisoned our nation's culture. Also, it is helpful to look at how our former political mores are being violated by the day and we don't even notice. If having that conversation (which, by the way is being had in mainstream opinion pages) is uninteresting to you then maybe you should stick to talking to people who think like you. Here at DCUM, there are pesky liberals around so if you don't like us, buzz off.

It’s not lack of compassion to point out errors by Newsom and California administrators that contributed to the disaster. That’s what you consistently aren’t getting.

You are clueless. That is why it is offensive. Your narrative is all political disinformation.

Anonymous wrote:Slightly separate topic, if Ca has such high winds frequently, why don’t they put up some wind mills in these canyons to capture that energy. I thought they were trying to be green ?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in California. There have always been fire stops, mandatory clearing of brush around rural properties, and the reservoirs were full for the last several years due to above average rainfall. But Conservatives don’t like to hear that.

Careful. There will be a full public accounting of whether the reservoirs were full and whether brush was cleared in the wooded areas. If you want to make bold statements like "the reservoirs were full" when even California officials are saying otherwise, it's going to look bad. The left cannot just create reality. No one is going along with it anymore.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah it’s climate change. Anyone who has lived in CA their whole life knows and feels this.

Palisades and Malibu will rebuild quickly. It’s too good a location and too wealthy to be abandoned. Eaton will also be rebuilt. Heck, Paradise is also being rebuilt. Hopefully, the new houses will take advantage of new fire resistant materials that were not available when the original houses were built.

Anonymous wrote:This is the same crap Trump pulled after the hurricane hit North Carolina, spreading rumors about FEMA workers and making outrageous claims about a lack of funding.

Why do you people support this monster? He shows you time and again who he is and you just eat it up.