Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:55
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No they don’t.
My DH used to joke about it taking an act of Congress to take his citizenship away. We don’t think that’s such a far stretch anymore.
Now he’s made sure all of our passports are in order and we have copies of his paperwork, including his DD-214, in more than one location. He’s been told by past coworkers that assumed he sought their approval that he’s “one of the good ones”. Maybe they will shield him if things get out of hand.
Hopefully we never have to deal with some vigilante going off doing the lord’s work and taking matters into their own hands.
You should be afraid of armed vigilantes with torches and pitch forks who take it upon themselves to capture "illegals." Mobs aren't smart enough to discern whether you belong here. Look at the Sikhs who got murdered after 9-11. Even Hispanic people got accused of being "Arabs." Look at Trump's praise of the Charlottesville mob. He will encourage this.
+1 this is what I fear: vigilantes going around rounding up "them illegals".
I am Asian American; DH is a white European immigrant. I told DH that if we went to war with China, I could easily see the MAGA mob trying to round up all the "chin*s", including me because I look like one even though I'm not Chinese.
Those mobs wouldn't stop to ask for papers or where you're really from. They just attack. Look at how many Asian Americans were beat up during covid because people thought those Asian Americans brought covid in, and that included patients yelling at Asian American doctors who were trying to help them.
This type of hysteria is what Trump is good at stoking. It's frightening.
Yup. My kids are Korean. I've always been worried about a war with North Korea, because I most certainly do not trust my neighbors to know the difference between North Korea and South Korea.
People are stupid, and if the government tries any form of mass deportation, it will make life extraordinarily difficult for people of color, regardless of their actual legal status. Which of course is a feature, not a bug for the MAGAs
During World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. Approximately two-thirds of the detainees were United States citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, Guam, the Philippines, and Wake Island in December 1941.
FDR was a democrat.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:55
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s no reasoning with MAGA on this topic. No amount of linked articles, fact-checking, or earnest pleas help. They are not interested in the details of mass deportation and what it would look like in practice. The topic of illegal immigration sets them off at a deep and primal level and they can’t and don’t want to think straight on the matter. If mass deportation ever happens, they will derive pleasure from the images they see in the news.
says the poster who wants to kill unborn babies as she’s judged them to be unproductive and violent before they are even born.
Exactly.
I take it you didn't live in a city engulfed in shootings,death and crack in the 1980s (not DC in my case) and it shows. Just wait about 20 years in Texas and see what happens there. It's not going to be pretty.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:53
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
. My dear, you are an idiot who cannot understand parody while engaging in it.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?
I'm genuinely asking.
Hungary deported 3-5k ppl a day in wwii using trains. I think we can safely add a zero by using military cargo jets with slave ship type bunks in them.
What is a military “cargo jet?”
Have you ever taken a flight on a military transport aircraft?
How do you propose that a “military jet” be retrofitted with slave ship bunks?
Waiting for your answer, very intriguing ideas you are proposing.
Those big planes that tanks can drive into. I’m reading a wwii history. It’s opened my creativity. When there’s a will there’s a say. The maggots will figure it out, I’m sure.
So you haven’t been inside a military transport aircraft. Surprise.
The big planes that tanks can drive into? They can carry a single tank. Modern tanks are too heavy to be transported by air, except a single tank at a time.
A maximum of 77.5 tons of cargo can be transported. An M1 weighs about 65 tons, depending on its version and combat readiness. So a Boeing C-17 Globemaster III can only carry a single M1. By comparison, a Lockheed C-5M Galaxy can transport 130 tons and thus two M1s. So moving tanks by aircraft is very complex and expensive.
I am excited you are bringing your expertise to the issue. Calling people “maggots?” You are very creative.
The bigger question is how will the Jewish community save illegal immigrants from the death camps? They have to get millions of illegal immigrants to Israel to provide protection and ensure each person receives shelter, food, healthcare, education, good jobs with high pay, etc.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:53
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
c-17 Globmaster III can carry and 102 troops with gear. We have about 223.
Pp above is creatively designing a slave ship type bunk system for said aircraft. We will watch anxiously as her creative slave ship
bunk design develops.
If there’s anyone that can design a good slave ship, it’s pp.
Pp above is creatively designing a slave ship type bunk system for said aircraft. We will watch anxiously as her creative slave ship
bunk design develops.
If there’s anyone that can design a good slave ship, it’s pp.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:52
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No they don’t.
My DH used to joke about it taking an act of Congress to take his citizenship away. We don’t think that’s such a far stretch anymore.
Now he’s made sure all of our passports are in order and we have copies of his paperwork, including his DD-214, in more than one location. He’s been told by past coworkers that assumed he sought their approval that he’s “one of the good ones”. Maybe they will shield him if things get out of hand.
Hopefully we never have to deal with some vigilante going off doing the lord’s work and taking matters into their own hands.
You should be afraid of armed vigilantes with torches and pitch forks who take it upon themselves to capture "illegals." Mobs aren't smart enough to discern whether you belong here. Look at the Sikhs who got murdered after 9-11. Even Hispanic people got accused of being "Arabs." Look at Trump's praise of the Charlottesville mob. He will encourage this.
+1 this is what I fear: vigilantes going around rounding up "them illegals".
I am Asian American; DH is a white European immigrant. I told DH that if we went to war with China, I could easily see the MAGA mob trying to round up all the "chin*s", including me because I look like one even though I'm not Chinese.
Those mobs wouldn't stop to ask for papers or where you're really from. They just attack. Look at how many Asian Americans were beat up during covid because people thought those Asian Americans brought covid in, and that included patients yelling at Asian American doctors who were trying to help them.
This type of hysteria is what Trump is good at stoking. It's frightening.
Yup. My kids are Korean. I've always been worried about a war with North Korea, because I most certainly do not trust my neighbors to know the difference between North Korea and South Korea.
People are stupid, and if the government tries any form of mass deportation, it will make life extraordinarily difficult for people of color, regardless of their actual legal status. Which of course is a feature, not a bug for the MAGAs
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:50
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[url]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?
I'm genuinely asking.
You start by not letting people in.
To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.
You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?
Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.
It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.
Child can go with the parents.
not if they're US citizens
Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:49
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[url]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?
I'm genuinely asking.
You start by not letting people in.
To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.
You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?
Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.
It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.
Child can go with the parents.
not if they're US citizens
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:49
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MAGA will need to consult history books to see how the Nazis did it.
They don’t need to see how the Nazis did it.
We have our own game plans we can trot back out from the 1930s and 1955.
How’s that song go?
“We’ve done it before and we can do it again”
“These were the “repatriation drives,” a series of informal raids that took place around the United States during the Great Depression. Local governments and officials deported up to 1.8 million people to Mexico, according to research conducted by Joseph Dunn, a former California state senator. Dunn estimates around 60 percent of these people were actually American citizens, many of them born in the U.S. to first-generation immigrants. For these citizens, deportation wasn’t “repatriation”—it was exile from their country”
https://www.history.com/news/great-depression-repatriation-drives-mexico-deportation
That's the fear, IMO. This will lead to profiling, and fear, such that all brown looking people will feel the need to carry around their birth certificate or passport to prove that they are US citizens.
There are some Hispanics who support Trump, and it would be the height of irony for these people to get rounded up. It's like that restaurant owner in the midwest who voted for Trump, then her illegal immigrant husband who had lived here for over a decade got deported. She thought Trump would only go after "those" people, not her husband. How stupid she was.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-immigration-crackdown-causes-some-to-rethink-their-vote/
People can carry their driver’s license, we all do daily.
First of all, no - we don't all carry our driver's licenses daily. I frequently go about life in my neighborhood without my wallet with me.
Second of all, your driver's license and birth certificate don't prove citizenship for people who were not born in the US. Do you want my kids to carry around their certificate of citizenship with them all the time? That piece of paper cost literally thousands of dollars and is extremely hard to replace. That's the problem when people who don't actually know anything about immigration spout off about immigration.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:48
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[url]Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?
I'm genuinely asking.
You start by not letting people in.
To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.
You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?
Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.
It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.
Child can go with the parents.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:47
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?
I'm genuinely asking.
Hungary deported 3-5k ppl a day in wwii using trains. I think we can safely add a zero by using military cargo jets with slave ship type bunks in them.
What is a military “cargo jet?”
Have you ever taken a flight on a military transport aircraft?
How do you propose that a “military jet” be retrofitted with slave ship bunks?
Waiting for your answer, very intriguing ideas you are proposing.
Those big planes that tanks can drive into. I’m reading a wwii history. It’s opened my creativity. When there’s a will there’s a say. The maggots will figure it out, I’m sure.
So you haven’t been inside a military transport aircraft. Surprise.
The big planes that tanks can drive into? They can carry a single tank. Modern tanks are too heavy to be transported by air, except a single tank at a time.
A maximum of 77.5 tons of cargo can be transported. An M1 weighs about 65 tons, depending on its version and combat readiness. So a Boeing C-17 Globemaster III can only carry a single M1. By comparison, a Lockheed C-5M Galaxy can transport 130 tons and thus two M1s. So moving tanks by aircraft is very complex and expensive.
I am excited you are bringing your expertise to the issue. Calling people “maggots?” You are very creative.
The bigger question is how will the Jewish community save illegal immigrants from the death camps? They have to get millions of illegal immigrants to Israel to provide protection and ensure each person receives shelter, food, healthcare, education, good jobs with high pay, etc.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:47
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had my green card processed under Biden. Took twice as long and had to fight for every step.
Also under Biden: the shafting of World Bank/IMF/UN retirees and their families in favor of visa applicants born in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.
Twice as long as what?
Got my green card under Trump and citizenship under Biden. An extra interview in the first case. Quite a fast process in the second.
Twice as long as expected.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:40
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really do not want concentration camps. The Republicans will fill them their "political" enemies.
Like Democrats are doing to many peaceful J6 protesters who stayed OUTSIDE?
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:39
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s no reasoning with MAGA on this topic. No amount of linked articles, fact-checking, or earnest pleas help. They are not interested in the details of mass deportation and what it would look like in practice. The topic of illegal immigration sets them off at a deep and primal level and they can’t and don’t want to think straight on the matter. If mass deportation ever happens, they will derive pleasure from the images they see in the news.
says the poster who wants to kill unborn babies as she’s judged them to be unproductive and violent before they are even born.
Exactly.
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:37
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really do not want concentration camps. The Republicans will fill them their "political" enemies.
Like Democrats are doing to many peaceful J6 protesters who stayed OUTSIDE?
According to MAGA dogma, there ARE no "peaceful protestors." Protestors are "thugs." Am I wrong?
Anonymous
07/22/2024 10:35
Subject: Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?
I'm genuinely asking.
Hungary deported 3-5k ppl a day in wwii using trains. I think we can safely add a zero by using military cargo jets with slave ship type bunks in them.
You do realize how that turned out, right?
Yes. We have to learn from history in order to repeat it.