Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do ppl understand many of us dont think it’s murdering a baby?
From that standpoint, do you get why we therefore have no issue with abortion?
NP. No, some of us can’t see how (apparently) intelligent people think that an abortion the day before you give birth is not murdering a baby but waiting a day and someone murdering it when it’s born is actually murder. That’s just completely anti-science. Do people like yourself understand that doctors can now do operations on babies before they’re born? Because the babies are actually babies even when they’re in there.
And I’m fairly moderate on abortion btw - I think it should be legal until around the point of viability.
I wonder how you’d feel if you were stabbed in the stomach the day before you were due to give birth to your much wanted baby, killing him/her. Would you consider it murder then? Or just nothing different than if you’d been stabbed when you weren’t pregnant?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do ppl understand many of us dont think it’s murdering a baby?
From that standpoint, do you get why we therefore have no issue with abortion?
NP. No, some of us can’t see how (apparently) intelligent people think that an abortion the day before you give birth is not murdering a baby but waiting a day and someone murdering it when it’s born is actually murder. That’s just completely anti-science. Do people like yourself understand that doctors can now do operations on babies before they’re born? Because the babies are actually babies even when they’re in there.
And I’m fairly moderate on abortion btw - I think it should be legal until around the point of viability.
I wonder how you’d feel if you were stabbed in the stomach the day before you were due to give birth to your much wanted baby, killing him/her. Would you consider it murder then? Or just nothing different than if you’d been stabbed when you weren’t pregnant?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Abortion - grew up thinking there was nothing wrong with having one, but now I think it's morally wrong except in the most extreme circumstances like incest rape. I think in many circumstances an abortion is one of the most cruel and selfish things a woman can do.
Public health care - I think all people should have access to medical care and used to think we needed a UK-style NHS, but working with the VA made me seriously rethink the US government's role ability to run a single payer system.
Gay rights - even in my liberal 80s home growing up my parents (like most I knew in the era) didn't think very highly about gay people and I was very late to the game to support gay marriage and adoption. I'm now very grateful we have national marriage equality.
Wow, this is the only abortion position I DONT understand! How is it so bad to force a raped woman to gestate that you would murder a baby to keep it from happening, but it’s okay to do it if she just got pregnant by accident and doesn’t want to gestate? And why is incest in there at all? The fetus doesn’t know or care about rape or incest? I just don’t get this. Like if the incest is consensual, why does that woman get to have an elective abortion but not other women?
I’m pro choice and this viewpoint is always the one I’ve held too. If you think abortion is murder of an innocent baby, why is it suddenly ok to murder an innocent baby because the baby is a product of incest or rape? The innocent baby didn’t rape anyone! You couldn’t murder the born baby just because his father was a rapist so why can you murder the unborn baby for that reason?
I think abortions should be legal for any reason before the age of viability. And I think the “no abortions except if rape” is hypocritical to the extreme.
Have you ever considered that there might be a shade or two of grey between "totally cool" and "murder"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Homelessness. Working in a field where the issue was adjacent to what we did, I learned a lot about them. The majority of them don't want "help" and "services" which means giving up their freedom and agency or means having to do something in return for shelter. They don't want job training or drug treatment. They don't want to live in a shelter. We should just give people housing and have some rules with it but there is a certain subset of people who are never going to function in society and there is no cure for it and they need to have a bathroom and bed and be able to sit inside during the day (shelters are only a place to sleep so they spend the day outdoors or prefer their tents). We also need to bring back mental institutions and allow families the ability to commit family members. It is a broken, useless system for most people. For those who do want a leg up and the help provided, more power to them! But it's a minority who do.
I agree about mental institutions but I can't imagine how they would be funded and where the work force would come from.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do ppl understand many of us dont think it’s murdering a baby?
From that standpoint, do you get why we therefore have no issue with abortion?
NP. No, some of us can’t see how (apparently) intelligent people think that an abortion the day before you give birth is not murdering a baby but waiting a day and someone murdering it when it’s born is actually murder. That’s just completely anti-science. Do people like yourself understand that doctors can now do operations on babies before they’re born? Because the babies are actually babies even when they’re in there.
And I’m fairly moderate on abortion btw - I think it should be legal until around the point of viability.
I wonder how you’d feel if you were stabbed in the stomach the day before you were due to give birth to your much wanted baby, killing him/her. Would you consider it murder then? Or just nothing different than if you’d been stabbed when you weren’t pregnant?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Abortion - grew up thinking there was nothing wrong with having one, but now I think it's morally wrong except in the most extreme circumstances like incest rape. I think in many circumstances an abortion is one of the most cruel and selfish things a woman can do.
Public health care - I think all people should have access to medical care and used to think we needed a UK-style NHS, but working with the VA made me seriously rethink the US government's role ability to run a single payer system.
Gay rights - even in my liberal 80s home growing up my parents (like most I knew in the era) didn't think very highly about gay people and I was very late to the game to support gay marriage and adoption. I'm now very grateful we have national marriage equality.
Wow, this is the only abortion position I DONT understand! How is it so bad to force a raped woman to gestate that you would murder a baby to keep it from happening, but it’s okay to do it if she just got pregnant by accident and doesn’t want to gestate? And why is incest in there at all? The fetus doesn’t know or care about rape or incest? I just don’t get this. Like if the incest is consensual, why does that woman get to have an elective abortion but not other women?
I’m pro choice and this viewpoint is always the one I’ve held too. If you think abortion is murder of an innocent baby, why is it suddenly ok to murder an innocent baby because the baby is a product of incest or rape? The innocent baby didn’t rape anyone! You couldn’t murder the born baby just because his father was a rapist so why can you murder the unborn baby for that reason?
I think abortions should be legal for any reason before the age of viability. And I think the “no abortions except if rape” is hypocritical to the extreme.
Anonymous wrote:Jewish people are perpetual victims in society... sure look the perps to me in Israel these days...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do ppl understand many of us dont think it’s murdering a baby?
From that standpoint, do you get why we therefore have no issue with abortion?
NP. No, some of us can’t see how (apparently) intelligent people think that an abortion the day before you give birth is not murdering a baby but waiting a day and someone murdering it when it’s born is actually murder. That’s just completely anti-science. Do people like yourself understand that doctors can now do operations on babies before they’re born? Because the babies are actually babies even when they’re in there.
And I’m fairly moderate on abortion btw - I think it should be legal until around the point of viability.
I wonder how you’d feel if you were stabbed in the stomach the day before you were due to give birth to your much wanted baby, killing him/her. Would you consider it murder then? Or just nothing different than if you’d been stabbed when you weren’t pregnant?
Nobody is getting abortions the day before they are due to give birth. Third trimester abortions are always because there are extreme medical circumstances and require an OB to sign off on it. You can’t waltz down to an abortion clinic at 39 weeks and get one, they wouldn’t even have the right equipment for it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do ppl understand many of us dont think it’s murdering a baby?
From that standpoint, do you get why we therefore have no issue with abortion?
NP. No, some of us can’t see how (apparently) intelligent people think that an abortion the day before you give birth is not murdering a baby but waiting a day and someone murdering it when it’s born is actually murder. That’s just completely anti-science. Do people like yourself understand that doctors can now do operations on babies before they’re born? Because the babies are actually babies even when they’re in there.
And I’m fairly moderate on abortion btw - I think it should be legal until around the point of viability.
I wonder how you’d feel if you were stabbed in the stomach the day before you were due to give birth to your much wanted baby, killing him/her. Would you consider it murder then? Or just nothing different than if you’d been stabbed when you weren’t pregnant?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do ppl understand many of us dont think it’s murdering a baby?
From that standpoint, do you get why we therefore have no issue with abortion?
NP. No, some of us can’t see how (apparently) intelligent people think that an abortion the day before you give birth is not murdering a baby but waiting a day and someone murdering it when it’s born is actually murder. That’s just completely anti-science. Do people like yourself understand that doctors can now do operations on babies before they’re born? Because the babies are actually babies even when they’re in there.
And I’m fairly moderate on abortion btw - I think it should be legal until around the point of viability.
I wonder how you’d feel if you were stabbed in the stomach the day before you were due to give birth to your much wanted baby, killing him/her. Would you consider it murder then? Or just nothing different than if you’d been stabbed when you weren’t pregnant?
Anonymous wrote:Do ppl understand many of us dont think it’s murdering a baby?
From that standpoint, do you get why we therefore have no issue with abortion?