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Anonymous wrote:The good Benedictine sisters at Mt St Scholastica disagree with Butker’s remarks.

https://www.mountosb.org/

The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.

Instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his comments seem to have fostered division. One of our concerns was the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman. We sisters have dedicated our lives to God and God’s people, including the many women whom we have taught and influenced during the past 160 years. These women have made a tremendous difference in the world in their roles as wives and mothers and through their God-given gifts in leadership, scholarship, and their careers.

Our community has taught young women and men not just how to be “homemakers” in a limited sense, but rather how to make a Gospel-centered, compassionate home within themselves where they can welcome others as Christ, empowering them to be the best versions of themselves. We reject a narrow definition of what it means to be Catholic. We are faithful members of the Catholic Church who embrace and promote the values of the Gospel, St. Benedict, and Vatican II and the teachings of Pope Francis.

We want to be known as an inclusive, welcoming community, embracing Benedictine values that have endured for more than 1500 years and have spread through every continent and nation. We believe those values are the core of Benedictine College.

Thank you sisters for speaking out to protect our religious faith from Zealots!

I love it’s the nuns who will stand strong against powerful men who try to bogart our religion for monetary and political gain.

You'd certainly expect nuns to understand that a woman's highest calling is not necessarily being a homemaker, even as a matter of Catholic theology.

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Anonymous wrote:I get some people are all about the woman staying demure and a man leading the family. Some women enjoy being housewife and that is good for them. No prob with any of this kind of thinking.

BUT what he said totally demeans women. He said his wife’s life did not start or meant nothing until she started being a wife and mother. As a woman I take great offense with this statement. I take great offense at the way he expressed what he feels women should be. It’s one thing to suggest someone can live one way, it’s another to suggest there is only one way to live that’s right.

I think he is such a blatantly offensive man whose mom has to be losing her mind!!

WTf? In 20 min he managed to offend most people. It’s not about his views, it’s about how he expressed them.

You are putting words in his mouth. He never said his wife's life "meant nothing." He said that SHE would be the first to tell you that her life truly started when she started "living her vocation as a wife and mother." For most women who have children - this is true, whether they admit it or not.
I remember the old adage that nobody on their death bed wishes they had spent more time at the office. The important thing is relationships - family and friends. Raising children IS the most important job in the world.
I worked outside the home when my children were young. I won many awards. But, today - those awards mean nothing. What is important is that my children are grown, productive people in the world who have strong relationships with THEIR spouses and are raising happy, well adjusted children. This doesn't happen by accident. It is a result of having parents who spend time with them when they are young and serve as good role models.
And, he never demeaned women who choose to work outside the home. Instead, he relishes the idea that his wife love and is good at the role of homemaker. And, that she makes him a better father and husband by keeping him focused on what is important - family.

Are you saying the same thing about men, that they first start to live when they become husbands and fathers? Why isn’t homemaking their greatest goal? Surely it should be something men can and should aspire to.

And what do you say to those who choose the celibate religious life? Are they not living?

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Anonymous wrote:I get some people are all about the woman staying demure and a man leading the family. Some women enjoy being housewife and that is good for them. No prob with any of this kind of thinking.

BUT what he said totally demeans women. He said his wife’s life did not start or meant nothing until she started being a wife and mother. As a woman I take great offense with this statement. I take great offense at the way he expressed what he feels women should be. It’s one thing to suggest someone can live one way, it’s another to suggest there is only one way to live that’s right.

I think he is such a blatantly offensive man whose mom has to be losing her mind!!

WTf? In 20 min he managed to offend most people. It’s not about his views, it’s about how he expressed them.

You are putting words in his mouth. He never said his wife's life "meant nothing." He said that SHE would be the first to tell you that her life truly started when she started "living her vocation as a wife and mother." For most women who have children - this is true, whether they admit it or not.
I remember the old adage that nobody on their death bed wishes they had spent more time at the office. The important thing is relationships - family and friends. Raising children IS the most important job in the world.
I worked outside the home when my children were young. I won many awards. But, today - those awards mean nothing. What is important is that my children are grown, productive people in the world who have strong relationships with THEIR spouses and are raising happy, well adjusted children. This doesn't happen by accident. It is a result of having parents who spend time with them when they are young and serve as good role models.
And, he never demeaned women who choose to work outside the home. Instead, he relishes the idea that his wife love and is good at the role of homemaker. And, that she makes him a better father and husband by keeping him focused on what is important - family.

Are you saying the same thing about men, that they first start to live when they become husbands and fathers? Why isn’t homemaking their greatest goal? Surely it should be something men can and should aspire to.

And what do you say to those who choose the celibate religious life? Are they not living?

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Anonymous wrote:The good Benedictine sisters at Mt St Scholastica disagree with Butker’s remarks.

https://www.mountosb.org/

The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.

Instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his comments seem to have fostered division. One of our concerns was the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman. We sisters have dedicated our lives to God and God’s people, including the many women whom we have taught and influenced during the past 160 years. These women have made a tremendous difference in the world in their roles as wives and mothers and through their God-given gifts in leadership, scholarship, and their careers.

Our community has taught young women and men not just how to be “homemakers” in a limited sense, but rather how to make a Gospel-centered, compassionate home within themselves where they can welcome others as Christ, empowering them to be the best versions of themselves. We reject a narrow definition of what it means to be Catholic. We are faithful members of the Catholic Church who embrace and promote the values of the Gospel, St. Benedict, and Vatican II and the teachings of Pope Francis.

We want to be known as an inclusive, welcoming community, embracing Benedictine values that have endured for more than 1500 years and have spread through every continent and nation. We believe those values are the core of Benedictine College.

Thank you sisters for speaking out to protect our religious faith from Zealots!

I love it’s the nuns who will stand strong against powerful men who try to bogart our religion for monetary and political gain.

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Anonymous wrote:I get some people are all about the woman staying demure and a man leading the family. Some women enjoy being housewife and that is good for them. No prob with any of this kind of thinking.

BUT what he said totally demeans women. He said his wife’s life did not start or meant nothing until she started being a wife and mother. As a woman I take great offense with this statement. I take great offense at the way he expressed what he feels women should be. It’s one thing to suggest someone can live one way, it’s another to suggest there is only one way to live that’s right.

I think he is such a blatantly offensive man whose mom has to be losing her mind!!

WTf? In 20 min he managed to offend most people. It’s not about his views, it’s about how he expressed them.

You are putting words in his mouth. He never said his wife's life "meant nothing." He said that SHE would be the first to tell you that her life truly started when she started "living her vocation as a wife and mother." For most women who have children - this is true, whether they admit it or not.
I remember the old adage that nobody on their death bed wishes they had spent more time at the office. The important thing is relationships - family and friends. Raising children IS the most important job in the world.
I worked outside the home when my children were young. I won many awards. But, today - those awards mean nothing. What is important is that my children are grown, productive people in the world who have strong relationships with THEIR spouses and are raising happy, well adjusted children. This doesn't happen by accident. It is a result of having parents who spend time with them when they are young and serve as good role models.
And, he never demeaned women who choose to work outside the home. Instead, he relishes the idea that his wife love and is good at the role of homemaker. And, that she makes him a better father and husband by keeping him focused on what is important - family.

Anonymous wrote:I get some people are all about the woman staying demure and a man leading the family. Some women enjoy being housewife and that is good for them. No prob with any of this kind of thinking.

BUT what he said totally demeans women. He said his wife’s life did not start or meant nothing until she started being a wife and mother. As a woman I take great offense with this statement. I take great offense at the way he expressed what he feels women should be. It’s one thing to suggest someone can live one way, it’s another to suggest there is only one way to live that’s right.

I think he is such a blatantly offensive man whose mom has to be losing her mind!!

WTf? In 20 min he managed to offend most people. It’s not about his views, it’s about how he expressed them.

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Anonymous wrote:The good Benedictine sisters at Mt St Scholastica disagree with Butker’s remarks.

https://www.mountosb.org/

The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.

Instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his comments seem to have fostered division. One of our concerns was the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman. We sisters have dedicated our lives to God and God’s people, including the many women whom we have taught and influenced during the past 160 years. These women have made a tremendous difference in the world in their roles as wives and mothers and through their God-given gifts in leadership, scholarship, and their careers.

Our community has taught young women and men not just how to be “homemakers” in a limited sense, but rather how to make a Gospel-centered, compassionate home within themselves where they can welcome others as Christ, empowering them to be the best versions of themselves. We reject a narrow definition of what it means to be Catholic. We are faithful members of the Catholic Church who embrace and promote the values of the Gospel, St. Benedict, and Vatican II and the teachings of Pope Francis.

We want to be known as an inclusive, welcoming community, embracing Benedictine values that have endured for more than 1500 years and have spread through every continent and nation. We believe those values are the core of Benedictine College.

Thank you sisters for speaking out to protect our religious faith from Zealots!

I love it’s the nuns who will stand strong against powerful men who try to bogart our religion for monetary and political gain.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t wanna make this into a Taylor Swift thread, but whether you are a fan or not, it’s deeply offensive that he referred to her as his teammates girlfriend. Come on. Even if she hadn’t accomplished as much as she has, which just objectively whether you’re a fan or not is a A LOT, she is a human being and no one should be reduced to their relationship to not a person in that way.

He sees women as second-class citizens. That is not OK and not something people are just going to stay quiet about clearly since the Internet is totally blowing up over this.

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"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.

DP. Sure, let's just continue idolizing men who abandon their families and father child after child with different women (or women who do the same). Such great role models. You do you, but I absolutely agree with Butker's assertion that the highest vocation for both men AND women is marriage and parenthood (for those who want a family). That doesn't mean there aren't other vocations, such as careers obviously - just that the *highest* and most crucial to a thriving civilization is raising children within a family structure. Not sure how you can argue with that, but I'm sure you will.

Nice strawman.

Ah, I see you can't make a serious rebuttal, so you resort to deflection. There is no strawman. You disagree with him and you can't stand it that others do not. *shrug*

*sigh* - the strawman is the premise that the only choices for men are to be philandering scumbags like our former President, idolized by the GOP, and conservative Christian men who idolize a wife who forgoes all professional ambition to serve their husbands and families, also, coincidentally, idolized by the GOP. The reality, as we all know, is that there is a broad spectrum of male behavior and there are many ways to be a good husband that don't involve buying into patriarchy and misogyny.

I think we've found the strawman... "the GOP" doesn't idolize TFG. A small minority of far-right Trump supporters do. The rest of the GOP would dearly love to have a different candidate.

Well why didn’t you come out in force to elect a different candidate then? Trump has received the majority of votes in the GOP primaries. Contradicts what you assert.

Anonymous wrote:The good Benedictine sisters at Mt St Scholastica disagree with Butker’s remarks.

https://www.mountosb.org/

The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.

Instead of promoting unity in our church, our nation, and the world, his comments seem to have fostered division. One of our concerns was the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman. We sisters have dedicated our lives to God and God’s people, including the many women whom we have taught and influenced during the past 160 years. These women have made a tremendous difference in the world in their roles as wives and mothers and through their God-given gifts in leadership, scholarship, and their careers.

Our community has taught young women and men not just how to be “homemakers” in a limited sense, but rather how to make a Gospel-centered, compassionate home within themselves where they can welcome others as Christ, empowering them to be the best versions of themselves. We reject a narrow definition of what it means to be Catholic. We are faithful members of the Catholic Church who embrace and promote the values of the Gospel, St. Benedict, and Vatican II and the teachings of Pope Francis.

We want to be known as an inclusive, welcoming community, embracing Benedictine values that have endured for more than 1500 years and have spread through every continent and nation. We believe those values are the core of Benedictine College.

Anonymous wrote:He is a southern stupid at hole with divorced parents and serious mommy issues. He is not even 30 yet. He needs to go hide in his basement.

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"his and his family’s success is a result of his wife’s focus on being a wife and mother, claiming that “her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

He can focus on a crazy demanding career because she takes care of home and family so yes, his wife is a partner in his success. Imagine how difficult his life would be managing home, babies and a demanding career involving practice, travel, promotions, interviews etc and trying to set up investments for post NFL life?

Her vocation life started means before that she was a young student and then took over responsibility to build and manage a household and raise kids with her husband.

So, basically, he's saying

To men: make sure your wife is a sahm so you can focus on your career and be a real man
To women: make sure you take care of the kids and house so your husband can focus on his career.

If both the man and woman want that kind of marriage, then who are we to say otherwise. But, it does seem a bit tone deaf to be saying that at a graduation of college students, many of whom are women, including the professors and admins who are sitting on the stage.

That’s is literally the exact opposite of what he said to the men and you’d know that if you read/listened to the whole speech. His message to men was that their focus must be on their vocation as a husband/father. He basically says everything else is secondary to that.

Look, if the patriarchy was so great for women we wouldn't have fought so hard against it. So spare me the talk about men and their vocations as husbands and fathers. It's just an excuse to subjugate women in the vast majority of cases.

DP. Sure, let's just continue idolizing men who abandon their families and father child after child with different women (or women who do the same). Such great role models. You do you, but I absolutely agree with Butker's assertion that the highest vocation for both men AND women is marriage and parenthood (for those who want a family). That doesn't mean there aren't other vocations, such as careers obviously - just that the *highest* and most crucial to a thriving civilization is raising children within a family structure. Not sure how you can argue with that, but I'm sure you will.

Nice strawman.

Ah, I see you can't make a serious rebuttal, so you resort to deflection. There is no strawman. You disagree with him and you can't stand it that others do not. *shrug*

*sigh* - the strawman is the premise that the only choices for men are to be philandering scumbags like our former President, idolized by the GOP, and conservative Christian men who idolize a wife who forgoes all professional ambition to serve their husbands and families, also, coincidentally, idolized by the GOP. The reality, as we all know, is that there is a broad spectrum of male behavior and there are many ways to be a good husband that don't involve buying into patriarchy and misogyny.

I think we've found the strawman... "the GOP" doesn't idolize TFG. A small minority of far-right Trump supporters do. The rest of the GOP would dearly love to have a different candidate.