Anonymous wrote:Ballerina Farm's Hannah Neeleman Blasts 'Tradwife' Print Profile as 'an Attack on My Family and My Marriage'

https://people.com/ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman-blasts-print-profile-8687137

OMG, driving with a baby on her shoulder?! Has this woman had zero safety training?

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Anonymous wrote:Ballerina Farm's Hannah Neeleman Blasts 'Tradwife' Print Profile as 'an Attack on My Family and My Marriage'

https://people.com/ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman-blasts-print-profile-8687137

The article is unreadable to me because of the McDonald’s ad that keeps squishing the words together. I can’t get past the first paragraph.

Honestly, that article was so biased that I can’t help but think some of it was exaggerated and it makes me wonder what she didn’t write in that would’ve been favorable to the family.

It’s not a lifestyle for me and I don’t strive for her life. I see nothing wrong with wanting to live that life. If that’s the life she wants to live and that is her choice.

But that’s the whole point of this debate.
Does someone want to lead this life, or does someone (female) not have agency in this organized religion to say ‘no?’

This was the billionaire's wife who wanted a trip to greece for her birthday but instead got an apron?

Wouldn't want to trade places with her in a million years. I feel awful for her.

Anonymous wrote:Ballerina Farm's Hannah Neeleman Blasts 'Tradwife' Print Profile as 'an Attack on My Family and My Marriage'

https://people.com/ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman-blasts-print-profile-8687137

The article is unreadable to me because of the McDonald’s ad that keeps squishing the words together. I can’t get past the first paragraph.

Honestly, that article was so biased that I can’t help but think some of it was exaggerated and it makes me wonder what she didn’t write in that would’ve been favorable to the family.

It’s not a lifestyle for me and I don’t strive for her life. I see nothing wrong with wanting to live that life. If that’s the life she wants to live and that is her choice.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter was born in 2005 and the Mormon bloggers were numerous, prolific and well known. Beautiful photography, gorgeous children and thoughtful writing, it was all very curated, albeit in blog form. This just feels like an amped up version, consistent now with the tenor of Instagram. It's all less real. But the seeds have certainly been there for years. just significantly more over the top. Thank you for the pp who noted her julliard training was basically a dance intensive over the summer. I mean really...as a mother of a college daughter who dances, this is not the same as being " julliard trained." The whole situation is unreal.

She graduated from Juilliard with a BFA in dance in 2012. She went for a summer intensive, fell in love with it, and went back for college.

A BFA from Juilliard qualifies someone to be described as "Juilliard trained".

I stand corrected. But the reality is that she did little professionally with that BFA so not surprisingly she holds on to that credential as a part of her identity but that part of her life is in the past. It was a road not taken. And unlike her peers who pursued it, who had the courage probably to do so...she did not. It's a way to perhaps stay connected to that part of her....but she seems deeply conflicted about having had to let it go. Let's be honest. Otherwise it would not continue to be quoted as a part of her life over and over again. I find it sad. Some of us have been around long enough to see through when people do this.

It's a huge feat for a girl from Springville, Utah (a small town outside Provo, very conservative), homeschooled with her 8 siblings, to get into Julliard. It's not a path people in her orbit were taking. It was painful to read her comments about ballet and what it meant to her to give it up. She names her social media the Ballerina Farmer.

Oh please. That was her choice. She also got pregnant while at Julliard so she never had a career after that.

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Anonymous wrote:Ballerina Farm's Hannah Neeleman Blasts 'Tradwife' Print Profile as 'an Attack on My Family and My Marriage'

https://people.com/ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman-blasts-print-profile-8687137

Pretty weak rebuttal.

The voicetrack has the energy of a hostage video.

Right, not quite gun to the head, but it sounded like she was reading a script drafted by his PR people with him standing next to the person filming.

Good article on the cut. Good point about how she can be a "co ceo" and also a bit under his thumb, not mutually exclusive.
https://www.thecut.com/article/ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman-culture-war-response.html

I echo Chris rock when he said that American's biggest addiction is not opoids, but attention. He outlined the four general ways to get it. Show your ass, be infamous, be excellent or be a victim.

In this case it seems wrong to suggest she is doing the first but she is using her body and her beauty to promote. It's wholesome, but it's still use of her body. Can we be real about that? It's such a given that we don't even question that of course you have to be these things on Instagram to reach that level. But I digress...I think they are promoting their way of life which they see as "Excellent." And/or superior. All of it...the eight kids, the "natural" life on the farm, the homeschooling, etc. That's why he got wounded and pissed (her too probably) when the article came out. Because it's a narcissistic injury. (I'm not saying they are narcissists). Wrapped up in faux humility these are savvy business people who want to and believe they have control. Because in the echo chamber of Instagram they have followers kissng the ring and that buffers them. But when the scope widens and surprise surprise the larger public does not universally buy it, they feel compelled to defend themselves and act victimized. Grow up... accept that you won't be adored by all and moreso to some, your life actually looks backwards and you may be pitied and or criticized. Your brand does not appeal universally, sorry. If you feel good about yourselves (doesn't the Bible say be not of this world?) and you are making money why should you give such a big sh*t? Everyone has to love you or envy you? It's exhausting.

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Anonymous wrote:She doesn’t address what’s false in the article which did mention the co-CEO.

1) does she sometimes need a week in bed?
2) why only a “great” epidural when husband was out of town?
3) did hubby really use JetBlue connections to persuade her to date him when she already said no?

Those were the three most telling points in the article to me. There’s nothing in her response about specifics just assertions that reporter is out to get her. If the reporter used false info, you’d think she’d mention it.

I'm sure this was carefully crafted by some PR flak and there is definitely a reason she didn't get into specifics- because these things you listed were accurate. I also thought this was kind of a weird line in asserting herself as not at all oppressed and inaccurately portrayed.

"According to the mother of eight, she and Daniel have “many dreams still to accomplish,” later adding, “We aren’t done having babies.”

That's fine and all but not exactly countering the idea that she's basically a broodmare.

And it was clear in the article that she isn’t crazy about the idea of more kids—he’s the one who emphatically said yes when the reporter asked. The statement was obviously crafted by a pr firm he hired.

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Anonymous wrote:Ballerina Farm's Hannah Neeleman Blasts 'Tradwife' Print Profile as 'an Attack on My Family and My Marriage'

https://people.com/ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman-blasts-print-profile-8687137

Pretty weak rebuttal.

The voicetrack has the energy of a hostage video.

Anonymous wrote:She doesn’t address what’s false in the article which did mention the co-CEO.

1) does she sometimes need a week in bed?
2) why only a “great” epidural when husband was out of town?
3) did hubby really use JetBlue connections to persuade her to date him when she already said no?

Those were the three most telling points in the article to me. There’s nothing in her response about specifics just assertions that reporter is out to get her. If the reporter used false info, you’d think she’d mention it.

I'm sure this was carefully crafted by some PR flak and there is definitely a reason she didn't get into specifics- because these things you listed were accurate. I also thought this was kind of a weird line in asserting herself as not at all oppressed and inaccurately portrayed.

"According to the mother of eight, she and Daniel have “many dreams still to accomplish,” later adding, “We aren’t done having babies.”

That's fine and all but not exactly countering the idea that she's basically a broodmare.

She doesn’t address what’s false in the article which did mention the co-CEO.

1) does she sometimes need a week in bed?
2) why only a “great” epidural when husband was out of town?
3) did hubby really use JetBlue connections to persuade her to date him when she already said no?

Those were the three most telling points in the article to me. There’s nothing in her response about specifics just assertions that reporter is out to get her. If the reporter used false info, you’d think she’d mention it.

Anonymous wrote:Ballerina Farm's Hannah Neeleman Blasts 'Tradwife' Print Profile as 'an Attack on My Family and My Marriage'

https://people.com/ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman-blasts-print-profile-8687137

Pretty weak rebuttal.

Ballerina Farm's Hannah Neeleman Blasts 'Tradwife' Print Profile as 'an Attack on My Family and My Marriage'

https://people.com/ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman-blasts-print-profile-8687137

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter was born in 2005 and the Mormon bloggers were numerous, prolific and well known. Beautiful photography, gorgeous children and thoughtful writing, it was all very curated, albeit in blog form. This just feels like an amped up version, consistent now with the tenor of Instagram. It's all less real. But the seeds have certainly been there for years. just significantly more over the top. Thank you for the pp who noted her julliard training was basically a dance intensive over the summer. I mean really...as a mother of a college daughter who dances, this is not the same as being " julliard trained." The whole situation is unreal.

She graduated from Juilliard with a BFA in dance in 2012. She went for a summer intensive, fell in love with it, and went back for college.

A BFA from Juilliard qualifies someone to be described as "Juilliard trained".

I stand corrected. But the reality is that she did little professionally with that BFA so not surprisingly she holds on to that credential as a part of her identity but that part of her life is in the past. It was a road not taken. And unlike her peers who pursued it, who had the courage probably to do so...she did not. It's a way to perhaps stay connected to that part of her....but she seems deeply conflicted about having had to let it go. Let's be honest. Otherwise it would not continue to be quoted as a part of her life over and over again. I find it sad. Some of us have been around long enough to see through when people do this.

It's a huge feat for a girl from Springville, Utah (a small town outside Provo, very conservative), homeschooled with her 8 siblings, to get into Julliard. It's not a path people in her orbit were taking. It was painful to read her comments about ballet and what it meant to her to give it up. She names her social media the Ballerina Farmer.

Naomi /Love Taza was from Utah and got into Julliard too. There are lot of mormons who take this path

DP. There seems to be a subset of them that go into entertainment/sports to spread the message. The houghs and the Osmonds come to mind. I also had a friend in high school whose dad and uncle were in the NFL and whose aunt was a Dallas cowboys cheerleader.

Just like any religion, some people go into entertainment. I don't think the Houghs are even religious at all.