Anonymous
04/15/2024 10:25
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People aren't tied to a desk. People don't pay for air or hotel, they use points. It's easier to travel. People prioritize travel. International real estate is more obtainable.
We have a house in Europe. We spend 8 week in the summer there and 2-4 other weeks throughout the year there. We bought outside of town because we couldn't take anymore of the insta tourists.
You are not MC/UMC. Who the hell can take 10 weeks off per year? You are not relatable.
Did I say anything about taking time off from work?
DH works while we are there. He just needs to be near a phone throughout the day. And be able to get on a computer for an hour or so in the evenings.
That is not the reality of remote work for most people.
That is career dependent. DH isn’t “remote”. That’s how his job was even before Covid and remote work was popular.
So then you aren’t actually traveling. You have multiple residences.
We are traveling.
So if someone spends the summer or part of at their beach house they aren’t traveling.
Our house is in southern France we use it as a home base and travel all over Europe from there.
Yeah, so you’re rich, normal everyday Americans don’t own homes in Southern France, just fyi. People like you always have traveled and always have had the best of everything, good for you.
You are making a lot of assumptions. We paid less than $150k for the house. It is worth considerably more now because of work we have done, not contracted anything out. We purchased a modest house here to allow us to do this.
Real estate and daily COL are considerably less many parts of Europe.
Anonymous
04/15/2024 08:09
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This was the norm where I grew up. Caribbean for spring break, ski in the winter, beach house or Europe in the summer. I think social media and the internet has made this lifestyle more visible, and especially compounded with the anti-snob snobbery/pressure our generation puts on each other against owning material things (or maybe it’s anti-Boomer backlash), more people follow it and aspire to it since it’s a more socially acceptable way to spend your money.
Honestly this seem like boring travel. If you’re just going to Europe and the Caribbean, you’re not very adventurous.
Few places are "adventurous" these days. Going back packing in Indonesia isn't an adventure. It's an extremely well-trod place.
Having been to many countries (50+ though doubtlessly some will sniff and say that's nothing) I've lost some of that wonderlust and now prefer to return to favorite places. A tradition of returning to your favorite country in Europe or island in the Caribbean is a pleasure to enjoy and savor if it gives you pleasure. And "harder" travel requiring longer flights and greater inconvenience does get old once you've done it a few times, especially just to see something slightly different from a very similar environment you've already been to.
Anonymous
04/15/2024 08:03
Subject: When did this become the norm?
I think there are some families who are practically allergic to downtime. I see it in families at my Arlington school. Every weekend is full of travel sports, trips etc. Every break is flying somewhere. Some of the kids are exhasted.
Anonymous
04/15/2024 07:50
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This was the norm where I grew up. Caribbean for spring break, ski in the winter, beach house or Europe in the summer. I think social media and the internet has made this lifestyle more visible, and especially compounded with the anti-snob snobbery/pressure our generation puts on each other against owning material things (or maybe it’s anti-Boomer backlash), more people follow it and aspire to it since it’s a more socially acceptable way to spend your money.
Honestly this seem like boring travel. If you’re just going to Europe and the Caribbean, you’re not very adventurous.
Yeah, being a random transient so you can be a striver bragging about how many countries you've visited is so superior.
Rich hit the same places over and over because they've been everywhere, now they want a seamless high caliber experience, no surprises, they want to be around other rich families they know and sort of trust, and often they end up buying second and third homes at these places.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 23:57
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:I absolutely hate all of the logistics of traveling and fail to see why others love it so much. The packing and unpacking, finding travel sized containers, how and what to pack on the carry ons, the horrid plane food, the dirty public bathrooms, the electrical adapters, uncomfortable beds, jet lag, other travelers …I just find it all so tedious and annoying as hell.
And yet here you are on the *travel* forum. Why?!
Anonymous
04/14/2024 23:02
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:I absolutely hate all of the logistics of traveling and fail to see why others love it so much. The packing and unpacking, finding travel sized containers, how and what to pack on the carry ons, the horrid plane food, the dirty public bathrooms, the electrical adapters, uncomfortable beds, jet lag, other travelers …I just find it all so tedious and annoying as hell.
You’re doing it wrong. And most people as well.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 21:37
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:As a person who grew up in a developing country nothing makes my eyes roll more than wealthy folks blabbing about going off the beaten path and exposing their kids to different cultures like it’s a life lesson. It’s so patronizing. I’ve met people who’ve never left this country who are more open minded than some who have traveled extensively. It’s fine if you enjoy traveling. But don’t use other countries as “experiences/your playground.”
This right here! THANK YOU.
Outright showy materialism got tacky, so now the elite has decided to signal superiority by traveling to show how worldly they are and better than the rubes.
It’s the same gross mindset, only with a bigger carbon footprint, which is weird because these people also tend to be liberal pseudo-environmentalists.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 21:31
Subject: When did this become the norm?
As a person who grew up in a developing country nothing makes my eyes roll more than wealthy folks blabbing about going off the beaten path and exposing their kids to different cultures like it’s a life lesson. It’s so patronizing. I’ve met people who’ve never left this country who are more open minded than some who have traveled extensively. It’s fine if you enjoy traveling. But don’t use other countries as “experiences/your playground.”
Anonymous
04/14/2024 20:55
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This was the norm where I grew up. Caribbean for spring break, ski in the winter, beach house or Europe in the summer. I think social media and the internet has made this lifestyle more visible, and especially compounded with the anti-snob snobbery/pressure our generation puts on each other against owning material things (or maybe it’s anti-Boomer backlash), more people follow it and aspire to it since it’s a more socially acceptable way to spend your money.
Honestly this seem like boring travel. If you’re just going to Europe and the Caribbean, you’re not very adventurous.
Cool, did I say those are the only places I’ve ever gone? No, I said it was the norm where I grew up. As in, this circuit was normal and not unusual. To respond to the OP—
“When do you think it become the norm for people to travel so aggressively? I feel like everyone we know travels for every school break and for long periods in the summer (like 2-3 weeks in Europe). These aren’t small driving trips either. The families we know go from very expensive ski vacations (have you ever added up the cost of flights, lodging, lift tickets, gear rentals, etc. for family of 4-5 to ski for a week in CO or UT? It’s nuts) in the winter to luxury beach vacations in the Caribbean for spring break. Or, if they want to “mix it up,” they’ll do Costa Rica for spring break and an African safari for their summer trip.
Get it now? I guarantee I’ve done more interesting travel than you.
This is an example of aggressive travel, you are more interesting and better because of your wordly excursions.
And they had to throw in “expensive” and “luxury.” Sounds cultured to me 😭
And then there’s arguing about how cultured and worldly you are on an anonymous message board. I feel less cultured reading this drivel.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 20:40
Subject: Re:When did this become the norm?
Is It?
Anonymous
04/14/2024 20:31
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This was the norm where I grew up. Caribbean for spring break, ski in the winter, beach house or Europe in the summer. I think social media and the internet has made this lifestyle more visible, and especially compounded with the anti-snob snobbery/pressure our generation puts on each other against owning material things (or maybe it’s anti-Boomer backlash), more people follow it and aspire to it since it’s a more socially acceptable way to spend your money.
Honestly this seem like boring travel. If you’re just going to Europe and the Caribbean, you’re not very adventurous.
Cool, did I say those are the only places I’ve ever gone? No, I said it was the norm where I grew up. As in, this circuit was normal and not unusual. To respond to the OP—
“When do you think it become the norm for people to travel so aggressively? I feel like everyone we know travels for every school break and for long periods in the summer (like 2-3 weeks in Europe). These aren’t small driving trips either. The families we know go from very expensive ski vacations (have you ever added up the cost of flights, lodging, lift tickets, gear rentals, etc. for family of 4-5 to ski for a week in CO or UT? It’s nuts) in the winter to luxury beach vacations in the Caribbean for spring break. Or, if they want to “mix it up,” they’ll do Costa Rica for spring break and an African safari for their summer trip.
Get it now? I guarantee I’ve done more interesting travel than you.
Wow. Somebody’s bored.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 19:36
Subject: When did this become the norm?
To be cultured, you have to go to certain countries approved by the Culture Police on DCUM. These Culture Police have reached the pinnacle of being cultured, because as most know, being cultured usually doesn’t involve sitting behind a keyboard and trolling online, unless you’re on DCUM.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 17:13
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This was the norm where I grew up. Caribbean for spring break, ski in the winter, beach house or Europe in the summer. I think social media and the internet has made this lifestyle more visible, and especially compounded with the anti-snob snobbery/pressure our generation puts on each other against owning material things (or maybe it’s anti-Boomer backlash), more people follow it and aspire to it since it’s a more socially acceptable way to spend your money.
Honestly this seem like boring travel. If you’re just going to Europe and the Caribbean, you’re not very adventurous.
Cool, did I say those are the only places I’ve ever gone? No, I said it was the norm where I grew up. As in, this circuit was normal and not unusual. To respond to the OP—
“When do you think it become the norm for people to travel so aggressively? I feel like everyone we know travels for every school break and for long periods in the summer (like 2-3 weeks in Europe). These aren’t small driving trips either. The families we know go from very expensive ski vacations (have you ever added up the cost of flights, lodging, lift tickets, gear rentals, etc. for family of 4-5 to ski for a week in CO or UT? It’s nuts) in the winter to luxury beach vacations in the Caribbean for spring break. Or, if they want to “mix it up,” they’ll do Costa Rica for spring break and an African safari for their summer trip.
Get it now? I guarantee I’ve done more interesting travel than you.
This is an example of aggressive travel, you are more interesting and better because of your wordly excursions.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 17:09
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This was the norm where I grew up. Caribbean for spring break, ski in the winter, beach house or Europe in the summer. I think social media and the internet has made this lifestyle more visible, and especially compounded with the anti-snob snobbery/pressure our generation puts on each other against owning material things (or maybe it’s anti-Boomer backlash), more people follow it and aspire to it since it’s a more socially acceptable way to spend your money.
Honestly this seem like boring travel. If you’re just going to Europe and the Caribbean, you’re not very adventurous.
Cool, did I say those are the only places I’ve ever gone? No, I said it was the norm where I grew up. As in, this circuit was normal and not unusual. To respond to the OP—
“When do you think it become the norm for people to travel so aggressively? I feel like everyone we know travels for every school break and for long periods in the summer (like 2-3 weeks in Europe). These aren’t small driving trips either. The families we know go from very expensive ski vacations (have you ever added up the cost of flights, lodging, lift tickets, gear rentals, etc. for family of 4-5 to ski for a week in CO or UT? It’s nuts) in the winter to luxury beach vacations in the Caribbean for spring break. Or, if they want to “mix it up,” they’ll do Costa Rica for spring break and an African safari for their summer trip.
Get it now? I guarantee I’ve done more interesting travel than you.
^^^This, this right here folks….says it all really.
Anonymous
04/14/2024 16:14
Subject: When did this become the norm?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This was the norm where I grew up. Caribbean for spring break, ski in the winter, beach house or Europe in the summer. I think social media and the internet has made this lifestyle more visible, and especially compounded with the anti-snob snobbery/pressure our generation puts on each other against owning material things (or maybe it’s anti-Boomer backlash), more people follow it and aspire to it since it’s a more socially acceptable way to spend your money.
Honestly this seem like boring travel. If you’re just going to Europe and the Caribbean, you’re not very adventurous.
Cool, did I say those are the only places I’ve ever gone? No, I said it was the norm where I grew up. As in, this circuit was normal and not unusual. To respond to the OP—
“When do you think it become the norm for people to travel so aggressively? I feel like everyone we know travels for every school break and for long periods in the summer (like 2-3 weeks in Europe). These aren’t small driving trips either. The families we know go from very expensive ski vacations (have you ever added up the cost of flights, lodging, lift tickets, gear rentals, etc. for family of 4-5 to ski for a week in CO or UT? It’s nuts) in the winter to luxury beach vacations in the Caribbean for spring break. Or, if they want to “mix it up,” they’ll do Costa Rica for spring break and an African safari for their summer trip.
Get it now? I guarantee I’ve done more interesting travel than you.