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Anonymous wrote:Think we all had it after Halloween….
That horrible cough!

Actually, around Halloween whooping cough was rampant in the area, but few doctors think to test for it. Most people's immunity has long worn off.

Whooping cough had become an issue for the last 10+ years. Our Dr office is recommending kids in their 20s get the vax every 5 years rather than waiting until 10 (it's Tdap, and typically you only get it after 5 years if you have a tetanus exposure requiring it). Reason why: because "you are the age where you and your friends will start having babies and you don't want to risk giving WC to someone's infant who cannot yet be fully vaxed." Makes sense to me.

We have neighbors whose fully vaxed 13 yo go WC a decade ago (area had an outbreak). They missed 2 months of school and were hospitalized for a few weeks. It was a long recovery and definately not something you would want anyone to experience. This teen had no health issues prior to this, just got unluckily exposed.

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me sick for two days and I can't afford the time off work or parenting.

Same. 2 days of 101+ fever each time. When I had Covid it was only a little worse than that.

But covid is doing long term damage to multiple systems in the body. You can't see it, but it's aging you quickly
https://www.panaccindex.info/p/what-sars-cov-2-does-to-the-body

Novavax is now an option for anyone who has side effects from mRNA vaccines. I had significant side effects from each mRNA, only a sore arm from Novavax and know so many others with a similar experience. Novavax has no mRNA, is protein based just like the other vaccines we've taken all of our lives

Interesting. So one could get Pfizer and then also Novavax? For double protection? Because it protects from two different angles?

Yes Novavax is available to anyone 12+ as a booster now. I have no idea why people keep arguing about mRNA when there is a classic protein based vaccine available that is as effective (and possibly more so) than Pfizer and Moderna

+1

I got the mRNA booster in Sept, because I gave up waiting for Novavax to get approved (pulled the trigger 48 hours before it was finally approved). But thankful we can now get another booster 2 months out, so may get Novavax before xmas. Everyone I know who got Novavax has had less symptoms than with their mRNA, so there is that as well. Based on the scientific data I have read, Novavax is likely more effective than Pfizer or Moderna, at this point. I figure I've had mRNA all the way, it certainly cannot hurt to try a classic protein based vaccine for the next one.

are you going to get vaxxed every 3 months???

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Anonymous wrote:It makes me sick for two days and I can't afford the time off work or parenting.

Same. 2 days of 101+ fever each time. When I had Covid it was only a little worse than that.

But covid is doing long term damage to multiple systems in the body. You can't see it, but it's aging you quickly
https://www.panaccindex.info/p/what-sars-cov-2-does-to-the-body

Novavax is now an option for anyone who has side effects from mRNA vaccines. I had significant side effects from each mRNA, only a sore arm from Novavax and know so many others with a similar experience. Novavax has no mRNA, is protein based just like the other vaccines we've taken all of our lives

Interesting. So one could get Pfizer and then also Novavax? For double protection? Because it protects from two different angles?

Yes Novavax is available to anyone 12+ as a booster now. I have no idea why people keep arguing about mRNA when there is a classic protein based vaccine available that is as effective (and possibly more so) than Pfizer and Moderna

+1

I got the mRNA booster in Sept, because I gave up waiting for Novavax to get approved (pulled the trigger 48 hours before it was finally approved). But thankful we can now get another booster 2 months out, so may get Novavax before xmas. Everyone I know who got Novavax has had less symptoms than with their mRNA, so there is that as well. Based on the scientific data I have read, Novavax is likely more effective than Pfizer or Moderna, at this point. I figure I've had mRNA all the way, it certainly cannot hurt to try a classic protein based vaccine for the next one.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

Yea and it causes autism too! 🙄

Yeah, that’s not helpful. The myocarditis causation is already established.

But the myocarditis risk from getting covid is significantly higher for those "same young men". That has been established. So get the Novavax if you are that concerned. But not getting the mRNA is also silly if you look at the data---your risk is significantly higher of heart issues from getting covid itself. Science and facts are amazing

DP. You're certainly right that the myocarditis risk is higher from covid itself than from the vaccine, but that doesn't really demonstrate value given that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid. Honest question: is there reasonably good data showing that the myocarditis risk from covid is lower after being vaccinated? And, given that nearly all of us have had covid already, is the myocarditis risk from infection lower after being vaccinated versus having a prior infection?

The vaccine prevents covid. Not 100% but that doesn’t mean 0 either. Why do you keep repeating false info?

Let's put it this way: If you get vaccinated, at recommended intervals, can you reasonably expect to still become covid at some point?

The answer to that is certainly yes, given the vaccines that we have.

Similarly, given where we are with covid, can you reasonably expect that an individual has already had covid? Again, the answer to that is yes.

Let’s put it this way.

If you get vaccinated you might avoid getting COVID hence avoid spreading it, and if you do get COVID you could recover faster, have less symptoms and your chance of death is less.

And the risk for Long Covid is most likely lower if you have been fully vaccinated/boosted. Which to me is just as important as everything you accurately listed above.

I wouldn't go infect myself with HIV just because "most don't die from it now" and I don't plan to do that with Covid either.

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Anonymous wrote:Count me as part of that 86% who haven't, and won't.

It's likely a bigger share than that. That number derives from a self-reported survey; it's an estimate that is subject to bias and not an absolute measurement.

Okay then count me as part of the 95%

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

Yea and it causes autism too! 🙄

Yeah, that’s not helpful. The myocarditis causation is already established.

But the myocarditis risk from getting covid is significantly higher for those "same young men". That has been established. So get the Novavax if you are that concerned. But not getting the mRNA is also silly if you look at the data---your risk is significantly higher of heart issues from getting covid itself. Science and facts are amazing

DP. You're certainly right that the myocarditis risk is higher from covid itself than from the vaccine, but that doesn't really demonstrate value given that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid. Honest question: is there reasonably good data showing that the myocarditis risk from covid is lower after being vaccinated? And, given that nearly all of us have had covid already, is the myocarditis risk from infection lower after being vaccinated versus having a prior infection?

The vaccine prevents covid. Not 100% but that doesn’t mean 0 either. Why do you keep repeating false info?

Let's put it this way: If you get vaccinated, at recommended intervals, can you reasonably expect to still become covid at some point?

The answer to that is certainly yes, given the vaccines that we have.

Similarly, given where we are with covid, can you reasonably expect that an individual has already had covid? Again, the answer to that is yes.

Let’s put it this way.

If you get vaccinated you might avoid getting COVID hence avoid spreading it, and if you do get COVID you could recover faster, have less symptoms and your chance of death is less.

Are you a pp? Because your response isn't relevant to the chain.

If you want to demonstrate a benefit to vaccination, you need to demonstrate a benefit compared to people that have already had covid. And if you want to demonstrate a benefit over myocarditis risks, then you need to look at what happens when people ultimately get covid, with and without prior vaccination.

it is still relevant. I don't care if you get the vaccine or not and I don't care if you kill your grandmother over xmas, i'm just saying there is a benefit that outweighs the cost. If you are going to get myocarditis with the vaccine, it will be milder than the myocarditis you will get with COVID.

Omicron is milder than the original variants and targets the upper respiratory system more than its predecessors which is why there has been a decoupling of cases and deaths once Omicron became dominant. Also, UK and Nordic data show many more hospitalizations for vaccine myocarditis than covid myocarditis.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

Yea and it causes autism too! 🙄

Yeah, that’s not helpful. The myocarditis causation is already established.

But the myocarditis risk from getting covid is significantly higher for those "same young men". That has been established. So get the Novavax if you are that concerned. But not getting the mRNA is also silly if you look at the data---your risk is significantly higher of heart issues from getting covid itself. Science and facts are amazing

DP. You're certainly right that the myocarditis risk is higher from covid itself than from the vaccine, but that doesn't really demonstrate value given that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid. Honest question: is there reasonably good data showing that the myocarditis risk from covid is lower after being vaccinated? And, given that nearly all of us have had covid already, is the myocarditis risk from infection lower after being vaccinated versus having a prior infection?

The vaccine prevents covid. Not 100% but that doesn’t mean 0 either. Why do you keep repeating false info?

Let's put it this way: If you get vaccinated, at recommended intervals, can you reasonably expect to still become covid at some point?

The answer to that is certainly yes, given the vaccines that we have.

Similarly, given where we are with covid, can you reasonably expect that an individual has already had covid? Again, the answer to that is yes.

Let’s put it this way.

If you get vaccinated you might avoid getting COVID hence avoid spreading it, and if you do get COVID you could recover faster, have less symptoms and your chance of death is less.

Are you a pp? Because your response isn't relevant to the chain.

If you want to demonstrate a benefit to vaccination, you need to demonstrate a benefit compared to people that have already had covid. And if you want to demonstrate a benefit over myocarditis risks, then you need to look at what happens when people ultimately get covid, with and without prior vaccination.

it is still relevant. I don't care if you get the vaccine or not and I don't care if you kill your grandmother over xmas, i'm just saying there is a benefit that outweighs the cost. If you are going to get myocarditis with the vaccine, it will be milder than the myocarditis you will get with COVID.

I mean I hope that’s true, but there is not good research supporting it.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I say the quiet part out loud? I am not convinced that the mRNA technology is safe. It’s brand new and there are only 3 years of experience with it. We know it risks heart damage for young men. It’s entirely possible that repeated mRNAs could pose a heart risk for more people in the long run. We just do not know and as far as I can tell the research is not being done. We don’t even know if repeated covid vaccination actually reduces risk. There has been research in flu vaccines suggesting that repeated vaccination can actually dampen immune response.

Yea and it causes autism too! 🙄

Yeah, that’s not helpful. The myocarditis causation is already established.

But the myocarditis risk from getting covid is significantly higher for those "same young men". That has been established. So get the Novavax if you are that concerned. But not getting the mRNA is also silly if you look at the data---your risk is significantly higher of heart issues from getting covid itself. Science and facts are amazing

DP. You're certainly right that the myocarditis risk is higher from covid itself than from the vaccine, but that doesn't really demonstrate value given that the vaccine doesn't prevent covid. Honest question: is there reasonably good data showing that the myocarditis risk from covid is lower after being vaccinated? And, given that nearly all of us have had covid already, is the myocarditis risk from infection lower after being vaccinated versus having a prior infection?

The vaccine prevents covid. Not 100% but that doesn’t mean 0 either. Why do you keep repeating false info?

Let's put it this way: If you get vaccinated, at recommended intervals, can you reasonably expect to still become covid at some point?

The answer to that is certainly yes, given the vaccines that we have.

Similarly, given where we are with covid, can you reasonably expect that an individual has already had covid? Again, the answer to that is yes.

Let’s put it this way.

If you get vaccinated you might avoid getting COVID hence avoid spreading it, and if you do get COVID you could recover faster, have less symptoms and your chance of death is less.

Are you a pp? Because your response isn't relevant to the chain.

If you want to demonstrate a benefit to vaccination, you need to demonstrate a benefit compared to people that have already had covid. And if you want to demonstrate a benefit over myocarditis risks, then you need to look at what happens when people ultimately get covid, with and without prior vaccination.

it is still relevant. I don't care if you get the vaccine or not and I don't care if you kill your grandmother over xmas, i'm just saying there is a benefit that outweighs the cost. If you are going to get myocarditis with the vaccine, it will be milder than the myocarditis you will get with COVID.

Anonymous wrote:Count me as part of that 86% who haven't, and won't.

It's likely a bigger share than that. That number derives from a self-reported survey; it's an estimate that is subject to bias and not an absolute measurement.

Anonymous wrote:The vaccine takes me out for days at a time and I just haven’t found time to miss out on work. I usually get it by October but I opted for flu first since it doesn’t make me so sick.

yeah this is me, too. I don't know how to work this - it is difficult to plan OK, I'm going ot be in bed for an entire day, so the best day ofr that is.....never. It's frankly never. i know intellectually that it's better than unexpectedly taking 3-4 days off if / when I do get sick, but it's so hard to mentally gear up for a shot that will lay me out.

Count me as part of that 86% who haven't, and won't.

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Anonymous wrote:Think we all had it after Halloween….
That horrible cough!

Actually, around Halloween whooping cough was rampant in the area, but few doctors think to test for it. Most people's immunity has long worn off.

My pediatrician said this too when we had to bring my 8 year old in for a cough that needed antibiotics. She said she didn't want to test because it had been too long since the initial infection, but they were seeing a lot of cases in the community.

According to the most recent CDC nowcast estimate (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home) the XBB 1.5 Omicron variant that the new shot is formulated for accounts for .2% of the circulating SARS-CoV2 viruses.

This is why we don't have a vaccine for the common cold. It mutates just too quickly.

It's hard to see how the decision-making at the FDA would be any different if was governed by Pfizer's Board of Directors.

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Anonymous wrote:Think we all had it after Halloween….
That horrible cough!

Actually, around Halloween whooping cough was rampant in the area, but few doctors think to test for it. Most people's immunity has long worn off.

There is an updated WC vaccine (from about 5 or 7 years ago I think)

Anonymous wrote:Think we all had it after Halloween….
That horrible cough!

Actually, around Halloween whooping cough was rampant in the area, but few doctors think to test for it. Most people's immunity has long worn off.