Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 11:17     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Black people were already disinterested in Biden in 2020 but we held our breath and voted for him because we were convinced Trump was the the second coming of Lucifer. Well, we are past that stage now. Trump is alive and well in the polls because of white voters. We are tired of rescuing Democrats and this country from Republican chaos. Republicans are playing the long game the right way - they don't care if black people vote for Trump- they just don't want them voting for Biden. And from my little corner of the DMV, Biden hasn't given black people enough reasons to vote for him in 2024. I will also note that lots of black immigrants don't give one crap about racism so the fearmongering about camps does not register with them.


So Biden hasn't given blacks enough reason to vote for him in 2024. So instead they will vote for the guy who will give them even less.


You seem daft because I said nothing about blacks voting for Trump. That said, why don't you and the DNC spend more time trying to get white women and men to NOT for Trump? Stop being fixated on the black community and focus on fixing the white voters who keep Republicans relevant.


Wow. Just wow. So you ignore this entire thread, literally the ENTIRE thread, which is LITERALLY about Blacks voting for Trump and the black community, and respond to this one post in an apparent vacuum and in complete ignorance of everything else, to try and call this poster daft and post some completely irrelevant commentary about what white voters should do.

I think YOU are the daft one here. Wow.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 11:08     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects


I have such fond memories of the Biden Crime Bill and how its impact on the black community is still echoing today.


Things were different 30 years ago, and many involved in that crime bill have said they would not have passed it if they knew then what they know now.


That's great that the privileged can say "oopsies" 30 years later but tell that to black men, black women, black families and children who were disproportionally impacted by Biden's crime bill. They are still living the impact of that crime bill.


I didn’t say it was a great situation. Just that it is the situation at hand.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 10:42     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects


AAs have been disproportionately hit by the failed war on drugs. We need to stop incarcerating people for simple possession. But that's not what you're going to get by voting for Republicans.

We have. People are not being incarcerated for simple possession at any alarming rate and haven’t for some time. Thats the least of the AA community problems.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 10:25     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects


I have such fond memories of the Biden Crime Bill and how its impact on the black community is still echoing today.


Things were different 30 years ago, and many involved in that crime bill have said they would not have passed it if they knew then what they know now.


That's great that the privileged can say "oopsies" 30 years later but tell that to black men, black women, black families and children who were disproportionally impacted by Biden's crime bill. They are still living the impact of that crime bill.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 10:23     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Black people were already disinterested in Biden in 2020 but we held our breath and voted for him because we were convinced Trump was the the second coming of Lucifer. Well, we are past that stage now. Trump is alive and well in the polls because of white voters. We are tired of rescuing Democrats and this country from Republican chaos. Republicans are playing the long game the right way - they don't care if black people vote for Trump- they just don't want them voting for Biden. And from my little corner of the DMV, Biden hasn't given black people enough reasons to vote for him in 2024. I will also note that lots of black immigrants don't give one crap about racism so the fearmongering about camps does not register with them.


So Biden hasn't given blacks enough reason to vote for him in 2024. So instead they will vote for the guy who will give them even less.


You seem daft because I said nothing about blacks voting for Trump. That said, why don't you and the DNC spend more time trying to get white women and men to NOT for Trump? Stop being fixated on the black community and focus on fixing the white voters who keep Republicans relevant.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 10:21     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Black people were already disinterested in Biden in 2020 but we held our breath and voted for him because we were convinced Trump was the the second coming of Lucifer. Well, we are past that stage now. Trump is alive and well in the polls because of white voters. We are tired of rescuing Democrats and this country from Republican chaos. Republicans are playing the long game the right way - they don't care if black people vote for Trump- they just don't want them voting for Biden. And from my little corner of the DMV, Biden hasn't given black people enough reasons to vote for him in 2024. I will also note that lots of black immigrants don't give one crap about racism so the fearmongering about camps does not register with them.


So Biden hasn't given blacks enough reason to vote for him in 2024. So instead they will vote for the guy who will give them even less.


Right? Jeez
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 10:20     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects


I have such fond memories of the Biden Crime Bill and how its impact on the black community is still echoing today.


Things were different 30 years ago, and many involved in that crime bill have said they would not have passed it if they knew then what they know now.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 10:18     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects


AAs have been disproportionately hit by the failed war on drugs. We need to stop incarcerating people for simple possession. But that's not what you're going to get by voting for Republicans.


I posted this and I agree. I was just adding that incarceration isn’t helping economic situation for AA communities.

There are obviously a ton of reasons why this has happened. And it will NOT improve in an R administration
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 10:18     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects


I have such fond memories of the Biden Crime Bill and how its impact on the black community is still echoing today.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 10:10     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:Black people were already disinterested in Biden in 2020 but we held our breath and voted for him because we were convinced Trump was the the second coming of Lucifer. Well, we are past that stage now. Trump is alive and well in the polls because of white voters. We are tired of rescuing Democrats and this country from Republican chaos. Republicans are playing the long game the right way - they don't care if black people vote for Trump- they just don't want them voting for Biden. And from my little corner of the DMV, Biden hasn't given black people enough reasons to vote for him in 2024. I will also note that lots of black immigrants don't give one crap about racism so the fearmongering about camps does not register with them.


So Biden hasn't given blacks enough reason to vote for him in 2024. So instead they will vote for the guy who will give them even less.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 10:08     Subject: Re:NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:our policies continue to screw low wage African Americans.  and we have known this for decades.

people need good jobs to thrive in our capitalism

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally 'explains' about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less

Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence, that a rising tide of immigration is  to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.

https://www.nber.org/digest/may07/effects-immigration-african-american-employment-and-incarceration


When the supply of workers goes up, the price that firms have to pay to hire workers goes down. Wage trends over the past half-century suggest that a 10 percent increase in the number of workers with a particular set of skills probably lowers the wage of that group by at least 3 percent.

Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/


I don't follow. What decline in wages? US wage growth has increased, particularly for African-Americans.


What decline in employment? African-American unemployment rates are at historic lows. https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/inside-us-jobs-report-record-low-black-unemployment-2023-04-07/

But as for whether immigrants are somehow causing an increase in African-American crime and incarceration, that seems questionable. There are a lot of other major factors in employability, for example the increasing school dropout rate among African-American kids, which holds them back from employment prospects. Immigrants aren't the cause of that. And in fact, staying in school and graduating would make them more employable and more qualified for higher-wage jobs than migrant workers. Also, one of the major factors driving African-American incarceration rates is drug use. If we stop making simple possession a felony and stop incarcerating for it that would help significantly. But Republicans want to do the exact opposite.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 10:02     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Black people were already disinterested in Biden in 2020 but we held our breath and voted for him because we were convinced Trump was the the second coming of Lucifer. Well, we are past that stage now. Trump is alive and well in the polls because of white voters. We are tired of rescuing Democrats and this country from Republican chaos. Republicans are playing the long game the right way - they don't care if black people vote for Trump- they just don't want them voting for Biden. And from my little corner of the DMV, Biden hasn't given black people enough reasons to vote for him in 2024. I will also note that lots of black immigrants don't give one crap about racism so the fearmongering about camps does not register with them.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 09:52     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects


AAs have been disproportionately hit by the failed war on drugs. We need to stop incarcerating people for simple possession. But that's not what you're going to get by voting for Republicans.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 09:50     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read this thread, but I’m black and definitely not voting for Biden, even if that means trump. I voted for biden the first time, but the general elitism, and pandering to race relations and social justice, the lack of account ability for the border issue, and the whole defund the police ethos of Biden / Kamala is a nonstarter for me at this point.

Lastly, this whole obsession with January 6th, which essentially amounted to a riot but is being played off as an armed rebellion with bloodshed and death, gives me the creeps. When it occurred, I figured ok, arrest all those guys for trespassing, breaking windows, etc., but to treat it as if a bunch of basement dwelling men who were unarmed were actually attempting and had a legitimate shot at overthrowing the US government, the US military, etc is just absurd to me. Biden has openly said on camera that an AR-15 is worthless for fighting against a tyrannical government because they have tanks, helicopters, etc, but yet he is claiming that a bunch of unarmed Q-anon-esque crazies almost overthrew the entire US government and military. It just doesn’t make sense, and is clearly an attempt to keep trump from running. It sets a bad precedent — the voters can decide who they want, and we don’t need the “adults in the room” making that decision for us.

Hopefully we can get back to sane politics so I don’t have to vote for trump, but I can’t sit by and vote according to how you all want me to vote just due to my skin color.

*cue the insults and accusations of me being a MAGA republican despite the fact that I am a 45 year old black accountant from Bowie MD who voted for Gore, Obama, and Biden.


I'm a bit confused about what you're talking about. Can you give some examples?

What "elitism?"
What "pandering to race relations?" And what's wrong with social justice and trying to lift all boats?
What police did Biden and Harris defund?

Also, J6 was not and is not about Biden. It's always been about Trump. The mere fact that Trump lied and lied and lied to the point where he riled up a couple thousand crazies and got them to violently attack and smash their way in to the Capitol alone should be cause for alarm. The fact that our Capitol was under siege and occupied by his crazies for hours and hours does raise questions for me about accountability and why we didn't do more to stop it but again, remember we're talking about how the government was operating under Trump at the time.

Hey, Biden's not perfect. I'm not happy about the border situation either. And I'm not happy about inflation. But in comparison to how we were doing before during COVID with shortages and supply chain failures, and in comparison to other countries, we're actually doing pretty good.

You vote however you like, but I think a lot of your points, and your characterization of Biden being less sane than Trump doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2023 09:29     Subject: NYT: Profound increase in black voters who support Trump
I’m sure the very high rate of incarceration for AA males hasn’t helped economic prospects