Anonymous wrote:On one hand, we have people like Stuart Seldowitz and those who share his views. They are usually very careful about going full Stu Seldowitz, of course, but rest assured that they are cut from nearly unlimited cloth.

On the other hand, we have people like Susan Sarandon and some actress from a horror movie franchise, and those that share their views. I happen to think there are billions of people across the globe who share their views / opinions, but your mileage may vary.

Having said that, can anyone explain why the actions of the former are not absolutely drowning out anything that can said about the actions of the latter? Like, why are we even taking about ANYONE other that Stu?

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Anonymous wrote:see how democrats hold other democrats accountable?

https://moco360.media/2023/11/21/maryland-cair-director-suspended-from-state-hate-crimes-commission/

No paywall with this link.

Her name is Zainab Chaudry and she’s a big deal at the state and national level. I knew who she was through her leadership position at CAIR.

WaPo is covering the story as well.

Read Zainab’s oped in the WaPo on allowing parents to opt out of school readings that include LGBTQ characters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/17/montgomery-parents-want-opt-out-sexuality-education/

Because religion, right?

Their anti-lgbtq is part of their religious beliefs…or culture, right?

And that somehow gives them a shield…or sword when it comes to defending their religious freedom or right to be (at best) intolerant.

Let me just go on record as saying I’m fine with people of any religion or culture as long as they don’t use their religion or culture to perpetrate inequality.

We wouldn’t be ok with a religion or culture that perpetuates slavery or racism, so let’s not give a religion or culture a free pass to be anti-lgbtq, etc.

That's pretty much all religions.

Not quite.

Her op-Ed hits close to home. This became an issue in Montgomery County Public Schools and it was largely driven by Muslims. It went beyond books to the family life curriculum in health (sex ed/safe sex).

The catholic pope has softened on lgbtq issues, and he’s the official spokesperson. The reality is most Americans aren’t religious—and if they affiliate with a religion they aren’t rabidly committed to outdated teachings.

For me, it comes down to what the average practitioner says. And Zainab is an average practitioner who has a platform through her day job and other professional affiliations—which she should presumably use to build bridges and tolerance. Yet she hasn’t.

Back to the point: this all played out in MoCo, and the group with the anti-lgbtq agenda wasn’t catholic or Jewish.

You're labeling an entire group based off of one person? That's just as bigoted as being anti-lgbtq.

No, not quite.

I’m not a fan of labeling any group because no group marches in lockstep at the macro level.

But if you google Zainab and what she personally said with regards to what was going on in MoCo/mcps, she said—on behalf of her org CAIR—that they wanted to opt out of lgbtq books/content to protect their religious freedom and “deeply held” religious beliefs.

So, Zainab was seemingly using her org’s platform to speak on behalf of Muslims and their deeply held religious beliefs.

Shall we hold her accountable—a public figure who serves as a spokesperson?

Sure, but there are Muslims who accept lgbtq just like there are Christians/Catholics and Jews who do. But the 10 Commandments themselves say homosexuality is a sin.

Sigh.

Can you get beyond the whataboutism and focus on Zainab—the public figure in leadership positions making her a spokesperson for the Muslim community—and what she has publicly championed on the community’s behalf?

She’s not some rando tweeting missives.

This thread is about hate crimes, and Zainab hasn't committed one, so not sure why you'd focus on her while calling the fact that nearly all religions consider homosexuality a sin "whataboutism".

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Anonymous wrote:see how democrats hold other democrats accountable?

https://moco360.media/2023/11/21/maryland-cair-director-suspended-from-state-hate-crimes-commission/

No paywall with this link.

Her name is Zainab Chaudry and she’s a big deal at the state and national level. I knew who she was through her leadership position at CAIR.

WaPo is covering the story as well.

Read Zainab’s oped in the WaPo on allowing parents to opt out of school readings that include LGBTQ characters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/17/montgomery-parents-want-opt-out-sexuality-education/

Because religion, right?

Their anti-lgbtq is part of their religious beliefs…or culture, right?

And that somehow gives them a shield…or sword when it comes to defending their religious freedom or right to be (at best) intolerant.

Let me just go on record as saying I’m fine with people of any religion or culture as long as they don’t use their religion or culture to perpetrate inequality.

We wouldn’t be ok with a religion or culture that perpetuates slavery or racism, so let’s not give a religion or culture a free pass to be anti-lgbtq, etc.

That's pretty much all religions.

Not quite.

Her op-Ed hits close to home. This became an issue in Montgomery County Public Schools and it was largely driven by Muslims. It went beyond books to the family life curriculum in health (sex ed/safe sex).

The catholic pope has softened on lgbtq issues, and he’s the official spokesperson. The reality is most Americans aren’t religious—and if they affiliate with a religion they aren’t rabidly committed to outdated teachings.

For me, it comes down to what the average practitioner says. And Zainab is an average practitioner who has a platform through her day job and other professional affiliations—which she should presumably use to build bridges and tolerance. Yet she hasn’t.

Back to the point: this all played out in MoCo, and the group with the anti-lgbtq agenda wasn’t catholic or Jewish.

You're labeling an entire group based off of one person? That's just as bigoted as being anti-lgbtq.

No, not quite.

I’m not a fan of labeling any group because no group marches in lockstep at the macro level.

But if you google Zainab and what she personally said with regards to what was going on in MoCo/mcps, she said—on behalf of her org CAIR—that they wanted to opt out of lgbtq books/content to protect their religious freedom and “deeply held” religious beliefs.

So, Zainab was seemingly using her org’s platform to speak on behalf of Muslims and their deeply held religious beliefs.

Shall we hold her accountable—a public figure who serves as a spokesperson?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:see how democrats hold other democrats accountable?

https://moco360.media/2023/11/21/maryland-cair-director-suspended-from-state-hate-crimes-commission/

No paywall with this link.

Her name is Zainab Chaudry and she’s a big deal at the state and national level. I knew who she was through her leadership position at CAIR.

WaPo is covering the story as well.

Read Zainab’s oped in the WaPo on allowing parents to opt out of school readings that include LGBTQ characters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/17/montgomery-parents-want-opt-out-sexuality-education/

Because religion, right?

Their anti-lgbtq is part of their religious beliefs…or culture, right?

And that somehow gives them a shield…or sword when it comes to defending their religious freedom or right to be (at best) intolerant.

Let me just go on record as saying I’m fine with people of any religion or culture as long as they don’t use their religion or culture to perpetrate inequality.

We wouldn’t be ok with a religion or culture that perpetuates slavery or racism, so let’s not give a religion or culture a free pass to be anti-lgbtq, etc.

That's pretty much all religions.

Not quite.

Her op-Ed hits close to home. This became an issue in Montgomery County Public Schools and it was largely driven by Muslims. It went beyond books to the family life curriculum in health (sex ed/safe sex).

The catholic pope has softened on lgbtq issues, and he’s the official spokesperson. The reality is most Americans aren’t religious—and if they affiliate with a religion they aren’t rabidly committed to outdated teachings.

For me, it comes down to what the average practitioner says. And Zainab is an average practitioner who has a platform through her day job and other professional affiliations—which she should presumably use to build bridges and tolerance. Yet she hasn’t.

Back to the point: this all played out in MoCo, and the group with the anti-lgbtq agenda wasn’t catholic or Jewish.

You're labeling an entire group based off of one person? That's just as bigoted as being anti-lgbtq.

No, not quite.

I’m not a fan of labeling any group because no group marches in lockstep at the macro level.

But if you google Zainab and what she personally said with regards to what was going on in MoCo/mcps, she said—on behalf of her org CAIR—that they wanted to opt out of lgbtq books/content to protect their religious freedom and “deeply held” religious beliefs.

So, Zainab was seemingly using her org’s platform to speak on behalf of Muslims and their deeply held religious beliefs.

Shall we hold her accountable—a public figure who serves as a spokesperson?

Sure, but there are Muslims who accept lgbtq just like there are Christians/Catholics and Jews who do. But the 10 Commandments themselves say homosexuality is a sin.

Sigh.

Can you get beyond the whataboutism and focus on Zainab—the public figure in leadership positions making her a spokesperson for the Muslim community—and what she has publicly championed on the community’s behalf?

She’s not some rando tweeting missives.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:see how democrats hold other democrats accountable?

https://moco360.media/2023/11/21/maryland-cair-director-suspended-from-state-hate-crimes-commission/

No paywall with this link.

Her name is Zainab Chaudry and she’s a big deal at the state and national level. I knew who she was through her leadership position at CAIR.

WaPo is covering the story as well.

Read Zainab’s oped in the WaPo on allowing parents to opt out of school readings that include LGBTQ characters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/17/montgomery-parents-want-opt-out-sexuality-education/

Because religion, right?

Their anti-lgbtq is part of their religious beliefs…or culture, right?

And that somehow gives them a shield…or sword when it comes to defending their religious freedom or right to be (at best) intolerant.

Let me just go on record as saying I’m fine with people of any religion or culture as long as they don’t use their religion or culture to perpetrate inequality.

We wouldn’t be ok with a religion or culture that perpetuates slavery or racism, so let’s not give a religion or culture a free pass to be anti-lgbtq, etc.

That's pretty much all religions.

Not quite.

Her op-Ed hits close to home. This became an issue in Montgomery County Public Schools and it was largely driven by Muslims. It went beyond books to the family life curriculum in health (sex ed/safe sex).

The catholic pope has softened on lgbtq issues, and he’s the official spokesperson. The reality is most Americans aren’t religious—and if they affiliate with a religion they aren’t rabidly committed to outdated teachings.

For me, it comes down to what the average practitioner says. And Zainab is an average practitioner who has a platform through her day job and other professional affiliations—which she should presumably use to build bridges and tolerance. Yet she hasn’t.

Back to the point: this all played out in MoCo, and the group with the anti-lgbtq agenda wasn’t catholic or Jewish.

You're labeling an entire group based off of one person? That's just as bigoted as being anti-lgbtq.

No, not quite.

I’m not a fan of labeling any group because no group marches in lockstep at the macro level.

But if you google Zainab and what she personally said with regards to what was going on in MoCo/mcps, she said—on behalf of her org CAIR—that they wanted to opt out of lgbtq books/content to protect their religious freedom and “deeply held” religious beliefs.

So, Zainab was seemingly using her org’s platform to speak on behalf of Muslims and their deeply held religious beliefs.

Shall we hold her accountable—a public figure who serves as a spokesperson?

Sure, but there are Muslims who accept lgbtq just like there are Christians/Catholics and Jews who do. But the 10 Commandments themselves say homosexuality is a sin.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:see how democrats hold other democrats accountable?

https://moco360.media/2023/11/21/maryland-cair-director-suspended-from-state-hate-crimes-commission/

No paywall with this link.

Her name is Zainab Chaudry and she’s a big deal at the state and national level. I knew who she was through her leadership position at CAIR.

WaPo is covering the story as well.

Read Zainab’s oped in the WaPo on allowing parents to opt out of school readings that include LGBTQ characters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/17/montgomery-parents-want-opt-out-sexuality-education/

Because religion, right?

Their anti-lgbtq is part of their religious beliefs…or culture, right?

And that somehow gives them a shield…or sword when it comes to defending their religious freedom or right to be (at best) intolerant.

Let me just go on record as saying I’m fine with people of any religion or culture as long as they don’t use their religion or culture to perpetrate inequality.

We wouldn’t be ok with a religion or culture that perpetuates slavery or racism, so let’s not give a religion or culture a free pass to be anti-lgbtq, etc.

That's pretty much all religions.

Not quite.

Her op-Ed hits close to home. This became an issue in Montgomery County Public Schools and it was largely driven by Muslims. It went beyond books to the family life curriculum in health (sex ed/safe sex).

The catholic pope has softened on lgbtq issues, and he’s the official spokesperson. The reality is most Americans aren’t religious—and if they affiliate with a religion they aren’t rabidly committed to outdated teachings.

For me, it comes down to what the average practitioner says. And Zainab is an average practitioner who has a platform through her day job and other professional affiliations—which she should presumably use to build bridges and tolerance. Yet she hasn’t.

Back to the point: this all played out in MoCo, and the group with the anti-lgbtq agenda wasn’t catholic or Jewish.

You're labeling an entire group based off of one person? That's just as bigoted as being anti-lgbtq.

No, not quite.

I’m not a fan of labeling any group because no group marches in lockstep at the macro level.

But if you google Zainab and what she personally said with regards to what was going on in MoCo/mcps, she said—on behalf of her org CAIR—that they wanted to opt out of lgbtq books/content to protect their religious freedom and “deeply held” religious beliefs.

So, Zainab was seemingly using her org’s platform to speak on behalf of Muslims and their deeply held religious beliefs.

Shall we hold her accountable—a public figure who serves as a spokesperson?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:see how democrats hold other democrats accountable?

https://moco360.media/2023/11/21/maryland-cair-director-suspended-from-state-hate-crimes-commission/

No paywall with this link.

Her name is Zainab Chaudry and she’s a big deal at the state and national level. I knew who she was through her leadership position at CAIR.

WaPo is covering the story as well.

Read Zainab’s oped in the WaPo on allowing parents to opt out of school readings that include LGBTQ characters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/17/montgomery-parents-want-opt-out-sexuality-education/

Because religion, right?

Their anti-lgbtq is part of their religious beliefs…or culture, right?

And that somehow gives them a shield…or sword when it comes to defending their religious freedom or right to be (at best) intolerant.

Let me just go on record as saying I’m fine with people of any religion or culture as long as they don’t use their religion or culture to perpetrate inequality.

We wouldn’t be ok with a religion or culture that perpetuates slavery or racism, so let’s not give a religion or culture a free pass to be anti-lgbtq, etc.

That's pretty much all religions.

Not quite.

Her op-Ed hits close to home. This became an issue in Montgomery County Public Schools and it was largely driven by Muslims. It went beyond books to the family life curriculum in health (sex ed/safe sex).

The catholic pope has softened on lgbtq issues, and he’s the official spokesperson. The reality is most Americans aren’t religious—and if they affiliate with a religion they aren’t rabidly committed to outdated teachings.

For me, it comes down to what the average practitioner says. And Zainab is an average practitioner who has a platform through her day job and other professional affiliations—which she should presumably use to build bridges and tolerance. Yet she hasn’t.

Back to the point: this all played out in MoCo, and the group with the anti-lgbtq agenda wasn’t catholic or Jewish.

You're labeling an entire group based off of one person? That's just as bigoted as being anti-lgbtq.

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Anonymous wrote:You do know the FBI works w/ the ADL, right?

Of course, it’s all part of the grand scheme. LMAO.

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jsteele wrote:This guy was apparently an Acting Director of the National Security Council under Obama. Here he goes on an Islamophobic rant against a food vender:

He’s obviously unhinged.

Having said that, I do wonder what intel he is privy to given his prior career. It obviously impacted him.

He is NOT unhinged. He could not be more typical of the Zionists who've been at the helm of US FP for decades and decades, and I include Biden and Blinken and Dubya's admin and Obama's. The same old Zionist policies/attitudes that have allowed Israel's interests to take precedence over US interests and every ME civilian who is NOT Israeli and treated as unworthy of life. Ppl like him are why we're allowed to boycott our own country in 36 states, but not Israel.

Every admin is overrun w/ ppl like him (esp., in "diplomacy") and that is the *only* reason we have the enemies that we do in the ME. "They hate us fer ar' freedom" is BS. You're looking at precisely why we overthrow govts and why we treat Palestinians as if they are the aggressors.

SOCIAL MEDIA is the only reason we get to finally see swine like this exposed. You think David Muir will cover it? Lester Holt? No, because that's what MSM has always done when it comes to Israel's proponents and its behavior. Every time it's covered, it's covered as if it were "retaliating." Middle East panels w/ NO Palestinians, but chock-full o' Zionist mouthpieces. Simply ignore that Isr killed over a 1000 a few years ago and just sanitize/whitewash Isr image. Simply ignore that rabid settlers beat farmers to death and poison their lands. Simply ignore the hell on earth for Palestinians and just shriek "Hamas!" for everything. Simply ignore that an AMERICAN CITIZEN journalist named Shireen Abu Akleh was murdered by Israel and they lied about it. I guess Jamal Khashgogi is lucky the Saudis killed him and not Israel, because at least his name is now well-known and journalists like Rachel Maddow say his name and the govt gets outraged by his murder, unlike anyone killed by Israel who gets a spit in the face and the US goes to ask the sniper if he's OK and if he'd like US taxpayers to pay for some ointment on his trigger finger to go along w/ the free McD's.

The only reason there's ANY support for Israel in this country is because for so long, Americans have been conditioned like Pavlov's dog to see Israel as the consummate victim, because MSM and the govt were the only sources and repugnant men like this were who journalists went to get their "quotes" from as if they are respected statesmen and diplomats worthy to be heard.

This is who they have always been. Always.

BTW, I want to know why the ADL gets to repeat this "388%" increase of "antisemitism" without citing all of the examples since Greenblatt has already stated he considers criticism of Israel as antisemitic? I think that if journalists/media outlets actually did their job rather than just take the ADL's word as gospel and repeat this supposed spike, you'll find very few are swastikas on a temple and more examples are of someone calling out Israel's barbarism

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:see how democrats hold other democrats accountable?

https://moco360.media/2023/11/21/maryland-cair-director-suspended-from-state-hate-crimes-commission/

No paywall with this link.

Her name is Zainab Chaudry and she’s a big deal at the state and national level. I knew who she was through her leadership position at CAIR.

WaPo is covering the story as well.

Read Zainab’s oped in the WaPo on allowing parents to opt out of school readings that include LGBTQ characters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/17/montgomery-parents-want-opt-out-sexuality-education/

Because religion, right?

Their anti-lgbtq is part of their religious beliefs…or culture, right?

And that somehow gives them a shield…or sword when it comes to defending their religious freedom or right to be (at best) intolerant.

Let me just go on record as saying I’m fine with people of any religion or culture as long as they don’t use their religion or culture to perpetrate inequality.

We wouldn’t be ok with a religion or culture that perpetuates slavery or racism, so let’s not give a religion or culture a free pass to be anti-lgbtq, etc.

That's pretty much all religions.

Not quite.

Her op-Ed hits close to home. This became an issue in Montgomery County Public Schools and it was largely driven by Muslims. It went beyond books to the family life curriculum in health (sex ed/safe sex).

The catholic pope has softened on lgbtq issues, and he’s the official spokesperson. The reality is most Americans aren’t religious—and if they affiliate with a religion they aren’t rabidly committed to outdated teachings.

For me, it comes down to what the average practitioner says. And Zainab is an average practitioner who has a platform through her day job and other professional affiliations—which she should presumably use to build bridges and tolerance. Yet she hasn’t.

Back to the point: this all played out in MoCo, and the group with the anti-lgbtq agenda wasn’t catholic or Jewish.

jsteele wrote:I posted this is the Gaza war thread but deleted it in order to post it here:

LOL. A hate crime backfired:

https://fox59.com/news/indy-police-arrest-terrorist-for-purposely-driving-her-car-into-home-used-by-hate-group/

This woman was upset after watching news coverage of the Gaza war and decided to attack what she thought was an "Israel school" because it had a Star of David in front of it. So, he drove her car into the building. But, it turned out that the building is actually used by Black Hebrew Israelites, who the ADL and other groups consider to be an antisemitic hate group.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:see how democrats hold other democrats accountable?

https://moco360.media/2023/11/21/maryland-cair-director-suspended-from-state-hate-crimes-commission/

No paywall with this link.

Her name is Zainab Chaudry and she’s a big deal at the state and national level. I knew who she was through her leadership position at CAIR.

WaPo is covering the story as well.

Read Zainab’s oped in the WaPo on allowing parents to opt out of school readings that include LGBTQ characters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/17/montgomery-parents-want-opt-out-sexuality-education/

Because religion, right?

Their anti-lgbtq is part of their religious beliefs…or culture, right?

And that somehow gives them a shield…or sword when it comes to defending their religious freedom or right to be (at best) intolerant.

Let me just go on record as saying I’m fine with people of any religion or culture as long as they don’t use their religion or culture to perpetrate inequality.

We wouldn’t be ok with a religion or culture that perpetuates slavery or racism, so let’s not give a religion or culture a free pass to be anti-lgbtq, etc.

That's pretty much all religions.