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Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

The link I provided was filtered to two beds. How that was missed by someone bright enough to differentiate debate stances, well, you got me.

Soooo, true or false, the Del Ray units would be less expensive than the ones off Beauregard?

And if there is a housing 'crisis' (ohhhh, scary word!!!) why are there even just 42 units sitting vacant right now?

Maybe that was your intention, but that was not the result.

Why are there 42 units available right now, according to the website you linked to? Well, one reason might be that they cost more than potential renters can afford. Another reason might be that there are a lot of potential renters whom management won't rent to because their credit is too bad. Or even both - potential renters with bad credit would have to pay higher rents, which would be more than they could afford.

Honestly, your "there is no housing crisis" discourse kind of reminds me of "there is no hunger in America" discourse (after all, there are people who are both poor and fat!) or "there is no health care crisis in America" discourse (after all, if you go to the emergency room, they have to treat you!).

Uhhhh, having shi**y credit is not a housing crisis. That's a you crisis.

Really? I think it's a crisis if people can't get housing because they have bad credit, or if people have to pay a lot more for worse housing because they have bad credit. But then I also understand the high costs for society - for all of us! - when lots of people are unable to get adequate housing. Not everyone understands that, apparently.

Sure. Put your money where your mouth is. Go lend $36,000 (rough average annual lease amount in the area) to a guy with 550 credit and four collections. Let us know how it goes.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and you're actually making my point for me. Did you know that?

If you're agreeing that having shi**y credit is a reflection on the individual, rather than the housing market in the metropolitan DC region, then yeah. Sweet!

When people with bad credit have to pay a lot more for worse housing, that is literally a reflection on the housing market. That is the housing market at work. You might think it's good that the housing market is at work in this way (apparently you do), you might think it's bad that the housing market is at work in this way (though actually you don't), but whatever your opinion, it is the housing market at work.

Ohh, youre one of those people that wnats to take from the landlord.

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Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

The link I provided was filtered to two beds. How that was missed by someone bright enough to differentiate debate stances, well, you got me.

Soooo, true or false, the Del Ray units would be less expensive than the ones off Beauregard?

And if there is a housing 'crisis' (ohhhh, scary word!!!) why are there even just 42 units sitting vacant right now?

Maybe that was your intention, but that was not the result.

Why are there 42 units available right now, according to the website you linked to? Well, one reason might be that they cost more than potential renters can afford. Another reason might be that there are a lot of potential renters whom management won't rent to because their credit is too bad. Or even both - potential renters with bad credit would have to pay higher rents, which would be more than they could afford.

Honestly, your "there is no housing crisis" discourse kind of reminds me of "there is no hunger in America" discourse (after all, there are people who are both poor and fat!) or "there is no health care crisis in America" discourse (after all, if you go to the emergency room, they have to treat you!).

Uhhhh, having shi**y credit is not a housing crisis. That's a you crisis.

Really? I think it's a crisis if people can't get housing because they have bad credit, or if people have to pay a lot more for worse housing because they have bad credit. But then I also understand the high costs for society - for all of us! - when lots of people are unable to get adequate housing. Not everyone understands that, apparently.

Sure. Put your money where your mouth is. Go lend $36,000 (rough average annual lease amount in the area) to a guy with 550 credit and four collections. Let us know how it goes.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and you're actually making my point for me. Did you know that?

If you're agreeing that having shi**y credit is a reflection on the individual, rather than the housing market in the metropolitan DC region, then yeah. Sweet!

When people with bad credit have to pay a lot more for worse housing, that is literally a reflection on the housing market. That is the housing market at work. You might think it's good that the housing market is at work in this way (apparently you do), you might think it's bad that the housing market is at work in this way (though actually you don't), but whatever your opinion, it is the housing market at work.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^I'm kind of baffled by how much some posters here apparently don't understand basic stuff like "the price of [something] varies depending on the supply of [that thing] and the demand for [that thing]".

^^^I am baffled that some people don’t understand that there is a cost to building housing very much driven by the cost of the land it is on.

Anonymous wrote:^^^I'm kind of baffled by how much some posters here apparently don't understand basic stuff like "the price of [something] varies depending on the supply of [that thing] and the demand for [that thing]".

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Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

The link I provided was filtered to two beds. How that was missed by someone bright enough to differentiate debate stances, well, you got me.

Soooo, true or false, the Del Ray units would be less expensive than the ones off Beauregard?

And if there is a housing 'crisis' (ohhhh, scary word!!!) why are there even just 42 units sitting vacant right now?

Maybe that was your intention, but that was not the result.

Why are there 42 units available right now, according to the website you linked to? Well, one reason might be that they cost more than potential renters can afford. Another reason might be that there are a lot of potential renters whom management won't rent to because their credit is too bad. Or even both - potential renters with bad credit would have to pay higher rents, which would be more than they could afford.

Honestly, your "there is no housing crisis" discourse kind of reminds me of "there is no hunger in America" discourse (after all, there are people who are both poor and fat!) or "there is no health care crisis in America" discourse (after all, if you go to the emergency room, they have to treat you!).

Uhhhh, having shi**y credit is not a housing crisis. That's a you crisis.

Really? I think it's a crisis if people can't get housing because they have bad credit, or if people have to pay a lot more for worse housing because they have bad credit. But then I also understand the high costs for society - for all of us! - when lots of people are unable to get adequate housing. Not everyone understands that, apparently.

Sure. Put your money where your mouth is. Go lend $36,000 (rough average annual lease amount in the area) to a guy with 550 credit and four collections. Let us know how it goes.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and you're actually making my point for me. Did you know that?

If you're agreeing that having shi**y credit is a reflection on the individual, rather than the housing market in the metropolitan DC region, then yeah. Sweet!

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Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

The link I provided was filtered to two beds. How that was missed by someone bright enough to differentiate debate stances, well, you got me.

Soooo, true or false, the Del Ray units would be less expensive than the ones off Beauregard?

And if there is a housing 'crisis' (ohhhh, scary word!!!) why are there even just 42 units sitting vacant right now?

Maybe that was your intention, but that was not the result.

Why are there 42 units available right now, according to the website you linked to? Well, one reason might be that they cost more than potential renters can afford. Another reason might be that there are a lot of potential renters whom management won't rent to because their credit is too bad. Or even both - potential renters with bad credit would have to pay higher rents, which would be more than they could afford.

Honestly, your "there is no housing crisis" discourse kind of reminds me of "there is no hunger in America" discourse (after all, there are people who are both poor and fat!) or "there is no health care crisis in America" discourse (after all, if you go to the emergency room, they have to treat you!).

Uhhhh, having shi**y credit is not a housing crisis. That's a you crisis.

Really? I think it's a crisis if people can't get housing because they have bad credit, or if people have to pay a lot more for worse housing because they have bad credit. But then I also understand the high costs for society - for all of us! - when lots of people are unable to get adequate housing. Not everyone understands that, apparently.

Sure. Put your money where your mouth is. Go lend $36,000 (rough average annual lease amount in the area) to a guy with 550 credit and four collections. Let us know how it goes.

I'm the PP you're responding to, and you're actually making my point for me. Did you know that?

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Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

The link I provided was filtered to two beds. How that was missed by someone bright enough to differentiate debate stances, well, you got me.

Soooo, true or false, the Del Ray units would be less expensive than the ones off Beauregard?

And if there is a housing 'crisis' (ohhhh, scary word!!!) why are there even just 42 units sitting vacant right now?

Maybe that was your intention, but that was not the result.

Why are there 42 units available right now, according to the website you linked to? Well, one reason might be that they cost more than potential renters can afford. Another reason might be that there are a lot of potential renters whom management won't rent to because their credit is too bad. Or even both - potential renters with bad credit would have to pay higher rents, which would be more than they could afford.

Honestly, your "there is no housing crisis" discourse kind of reminds me of "there is no hunger in America" discourse (after all, there are people who are both poor and fat!) or "there is no health care crisis in America" discourse (after all, if you go to the emergency room, they have to treat you!).

Uhhhh, having shi**y credit is not a housing crisis. That's a you crisis.

Really? I think it's a crisis if people can't get housing because they have bad credit, or if people have to pay a lot more for worse housing because they have bad credit. But then I also understand the high costs for society - for all of us! - when lots of people are unable to get adequate housing. Not everyone understands that, apparently.

Sure. Put your money where your mouth is. Go lend $36,000 (rough average annual lease amount in the area) to a guy with 550 credit and four collections. Let us know how it goes.

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Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

Serious question. What is your plan to create a socialist utopia where this does not happen? What would Alexandria do and look like? How would it be paid for?

I think it says a lot about your beliefs that you think anywhere where poor people have decent housing in safe neighborhoods close to jobs is some kind of unaffordable "socialist utopia".

You are avoiding the questions. How does this happen in Alexandria? And it is a “socialist utopia” because the plan to make this happen in urban settings will inevitably involve government taking of private land and providing some sort of social welfare. If the wealthy leave you get Baltimore or Detroit and no jobs with an abundance of housing. Even big houses.

1. Stop prioritizing cars over housing.
2. Allow property owners to build market-rate housing.
3. Provide social housing for people who can't afford market-rate housing.

This isn't complicated, and it's also not "socialism".

2. Property owners will not build market rate housing that is what the planning commission discovered - well they will, they will build $800k condos and $1million townhouses.

1. Those poor people have cars - lots of them. Undocumented day workers live and die by their cars.

3. What is social housing?

1. Property owners will build market rate housing.
2. Improve non-car transportation. Plus cars are ridiculously expensive. Less money needed in the household budget for transportation means more money in the household budget for housing. That will also be good for the City of Alexandria budget, because roads are expensive to build and maintain, and don't pay taxes.
3. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+is+social+housing

I can think of no non-car transportation that would lend itself to bringing lawnmowers, ladders, pvc piping, buckets, vacuum cleaners, and rolls of carpeting. You clearly have no idea the vehicles the poor people you advocate for drive or what they do for a living. It’s why only 375 parking spots for the 470 unit buildings in Arlandria is insane.

+1 I live in a west end neighborhood that includes many apartment buildings, townhouses and SFHs. There are so many work trucks parked everywhere, not saying this as a bad thing. But I'm guessing the PP doesn't live in an area of Alexandria that has actual working class people living there or nearby.

+1.

The PP is a rich, white urban elite YIYBY (Yes In Your Back Yard) feigning to be a YIMBY (Yes In My Back Yard). You think all those white, fat, rich, SAHMs in Del Ray and Rosemont with (Everybody is Welcome Here" signs actually want a 6 -plex of day laborers and their 25 work vans living behind them on West Masonic?

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Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

The link I provided was filtered to two beds. How that was missed by someone bright enough to differentiate debate stances, well, you got me.

Soooo, true or false, the Del Ray units would be less expensive than the ones off Beauregard?

And if there is a housing 'crisis' (ohhhh, scary word!!!) why are there even just 42 units sitting vacant right now?

Maybe that was your intention, but that was not the result.

Why are there 42 units available right now, according to the website you linked to? Well, one reason might be that they cost more than potential renters can afford. Another reason might be that there are a lot of potential renters whom management won't rent to because their credit is too bad. Or even both - potential renters with bad credit would have to pay higher rents, which would be more than they could afford.

Honestly, your "there is no housing crisis" discourse kind of reminds me of "there is no hunger in America" discourse (after all, there are people who are both poor and fat!) or "there is no health care crisis in America" discourse (after all, if you go to the emergency room, they have to treat you!).

Uhhhh, having shi**y credit is not a housing crisis. That's a you crisis.

Really? I think it's a crisis if people can't get housing because they have bad credit, or if people have to pay a lot more for worse housing because they have bad credit. But then I also understand the high costs for society - for all of us! - when lots of people are unable to get adequate housing. Not everyone understands that, apparently.

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Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

Serious question. What is your plan to create a socialist utopia where this does not happen? What would Alexandria do and look like? How would it be paid for?

I think it says a lot about your beliefs that you think anywhere where poor people have decent housing in safe neighborhoods close to jobs is some kind of unaffordable "socialist utopia".

You are avoiding the questions. How does this happen in Alexandria? And it is a “socialist utopia” because the plan to make this happen in urban settings will inevitably involve government taking of private land and providing some sort of social welfare. If the wealthy leave you get Baltimore or Detroit and no jobs with an abundance of housing. Even big houses.

1. Stop prioritizing cars over housing.
2. Allow property owners to build market-rate housing.
3. Provide social housing for people who can't afford market-rate housing.

This isn't complicated, and it's also not "socialism".

2. Property owners will not build market rate housing that is what the planning commission discovered - well they will, they will build $800k condos and $1million townhouses.

1. Those poor people have cars - lots of them. Undocumented day workers live and die by their cars.

3. What is social housing?

1. Property owners will build market rate housing.
2. Improve non-car transportation. Plus cars are ridiculously expensive. Less money needed in the household budget for transportation means more money in the household budget for housing. That will also be good for the City of Alexandria budget, because roads are expensive to build and maintain, and don't pay taxes.
3. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+is+social+housing

I can think of no non-car transportation that would lend itself to bringing lawnmowers, ladders, pvc piping, buckets, vacuum cleaners, and rolls of carpeting. You clearly have no idea the vehicles the poor people you advocate for drive or what they do for a living. It’s why only 375 parking spots for the 470 unit buildings in Arlandria is insane.

+1 I live in a west end neighborhood that includes many apartment buildings, townhouses and SFHs. There are so many work trucks parked everywhere, not saying this as a bad thing. But I'm guessing the PP doesn't live in an area of Alexandria that has actual working class people living there or nearby.

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Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

The link I provided was filtered to two beds. How that was missed by someone bright enough to differentiate debate stances, well, you got me.

Soooo, true or false, the Del Ray units would be less expensive than the ones off Beauregard?

And if there is a housing 'crisis' (ohhhh, scary word!!!) why are there even just 42 units sitting vacant right now?

Maybe that was your intention, but that was not the result.

Why are there 42 units available right now, according to the website you linked to? Well, one reason might be that they cost more than potential renters can afford. Another reason might be that there are a lot of potential renters whom management won't rent to because their credit is too bad. Or even both - potential renters with bad credit would have to pay higher rents, which would be more than they could afford.

Honestly, your "there is no housing crisis" discourse kind of reminds me of "there is no hunger in America" discourse (after all, there are people who are both poor and fat!) or "there is no health care crisis in America" discourse (after all, if you go to the emergency room, they have to treat you!).

Uhhhh, having shi**y credit is not a housing crisis. That's a you crisis.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

The link I provided was filtered to two beds. How that was missed by someone bright enough to differentiate debate stances, well, you got me.

Soooo, true or false, the Del Ray units would be less expensive than the ones off Beauregard?

And if there is a housing 'crisis' (ohhhh, scary word!!!) why are there even just 42 units sitting vacant right now?

Maybe that was your intention, but that was not the result.

Why are there 42 units available right now, according to the website you linked to? Well, one reason might be that they cost more than potential renters can afford. Another reason might be that there are a lot of potential renters whom management won't rent to because their credit is too bad. Or even both - potential renters with bad credit would have to pay higher rents, which would be more than they could afford.

Honestly, your "there is no housing crisis" discourse kind of reminds me of "there is no hunger in America" discourse (after all, there are people who are both poor and fat!) or "there is no health care crisis in America" discourse (after all, if you go to the emergency room, they have to treat you!).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

Serious question. What is your plan to create a socialist utopia where this does not happen? What would Alexandria do and look like? How would it be paid for?

I think it says a lot about your beliefs that you think anywhere where poor people have decent housing in safe neighborhoods close to jobs is some kind of unaffordable "socialist utopia".

You are avoiding the questions. How does this happen in Alexandria? And it is a “socialist utopia” because the plan to make this happen in urban settings will inevitably involve government taking of private land and providing some sort of social welfare. If the wealthy leave you get Baltimore or Detroit and no jobs with an abundance of housing. Even big houses.

1. Stop prioritizing cars over housing.
2. Allow property owners to build market-rate housing.
3. Provide social housing for people who can't afford market-rate housing.

This isn't complicated, and it's also not "socialism".

2. Property owners will not build market rate housing that is what the planning commission discovered - well they will, they will build $800k condos and $1million townhouses.

1. Those poor people have cars - lots of them. Undocumented day workers live and die by their cars.

3. What is social housing?

1. Property owners will build market rate housing.
2. Improve non-car transportation. Plus cars are ridiculously expensive. Less money needed in the household budget for transportation means more money in the household budget for housing. That will also be good for the City of Alexandria budget, because roads are expensive to build and maintain, and don't pay taxes.
3. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+is+social+housing

I can think of no non-car transportation that would lend itself to bringing lawnmowers, ladders, pvc piping, buckets, vacuum cleaners, and rolls of carpeting. You clearly have no idea the vehicles the poor people you advocate for drive or what they do for a living. It’s why only 375 parking spots for the 470 unit buildings in Arlandria is insane.

+1 I live in a west end neighborhood that includes many apartment buildings, townhouses and SFHs. There are so many work trucks parked everywhere, not saying this as a bad thing. But I'm guessing the PP doesn't live in an area of Alexandria that has actual working class people living there or nearby.

If you want to see what happens, look at low rises along Rt 1 with inadequate parking. Local streets are filled with work trucks. People still have to park them somewhere, inadequate parking just means they find street parking. Unless the plan is to deny apartment residents parking permits (an old Crystal City feature), how do you prevent street parking?

Next time you're sitting in traffic, count the number of vehicles on the road with you that aren't work trucks. Include your vehicle.

So your vision is to only allow work vehicles and those people who aren’t transporting items for their labor jobs should take public transportation? My spouse actually works near a metro stop, but their Fed employer has asked they don’t take the metro because the walk from the metro stop is so unsafe they don’t want to be sued when someone becomes a crime victim at the behest of the agency’s encouraging public transportation use.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is one building (The Blake on Beauregard) and just the availability of 2 bedroom units available immediately- ie- today.

https://8934213.onlineleasing.realpage.com/#k=95825

That's 45 units. They also have studios, one bed units, and 2+den units so lets be conservative and say there are 100 units available in just this one building.

Where is the crisis? Where is the shortage?

Seriously- someone ELI5- where is the crisis? Why are these units not OK but ones built in Del Ray would be the cure all?

Can anyone answer that?

If not, maybe we don't change the entire zoning code, mmm'kay?

It's 42 units, total, in a building with 300 units. Starting with $2000-$3000/month for a 519 sf studio.

Noting, also, that units turn over all the time. There should be units available for rent. The existence of units that are available for rent does not negate the existence of a housing crisis.

No, that is incorrect. There are 42, two bedroom units availbale right now. If you add the one bed and studios in too, it's easily 100 units.

Would you have us believe that the proposed Del Ray 4 plexes will rent for less than these?

Or do you think people have the right to live exactly where they please for exactly the price they deem affordable?

And if units turn all the time, well then, great. That shows mobility in the housing market, which is a chief indicator of abundance.

So, again, where is the crisis?

I clicked on your link and posted the information I found there, which included all units, not just 2 bedroom units..

Your idea that mobility in the housing market is a chief indicator of abundance is, well, a novel economic idea. The more standard economic idea is that price is the chief indicator of supply vs. demand.

Now, if you want to make a normative argument, for example, "I believe it's just fine if people who don't have a lot of money have to spend a large proportion of their income in order to live in tiny spaces in unpleasant or dangerous areas far from where they work, and actually it would be even better if they just went away altogether", feel free, but that's a normative argument, not a data argument.

Serious question. What is your plan to create a socialist utopia where this does not happen? What would Alexandria do and look like? How would it be paid for?

I think it says a lot about your beliefs that you think anywhere where poor people have decent housing in safe neighborhoods close to jobs is some kind of unaffordable "socialist utopia".

You are avoiding the questions. How does this happen in Alexandria? And it is a “socialist utopia” because the plan to make this happen in urban settings will inevitably involve government taking of private land and providing some sort of social welfare. If the wealthy leave you get Baltimore or Detroit and no jobs with an abundance of housing. Even big houses.

You don’t seem to understand the basic idea of missing middle. The whole point is to increase supply of housing units overall thus leading to downward pressure on overall prices.

Right, but that doesn’t work. That’s illusory. How does building a 4-plex on a lot that cost $1.5 million to procure decrease prices? It may on condos, but it increases SFH prices. Should no one live in a SFH?

A four-unit building increases the supply of housing by three units, compared to a one-unit building.

3 $750k units does what for those workers living in cramped spaces you alluded to earlier? Your argument makes 0 sense.

The concept of supply and demand is used to explain how price is influenced by the supply of goods and services available and the demand for those products. When supply decreases, the price of the good increases. Inversely, when the supply of the good increases, the price falls. A similar relationship exists between price and demand. When the demand for the good increases, the price of the good also increases. When the demand decreases, the price of the good falls with it.

Assuming the goods are fungible. A $350k home is not the same as a $750k home.

+1 and Housing is not a good. It is built on a finite amount of land. Demand for land in Alexandria will always be high and supply can never be increased.