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Anonymous wrote:Being hungry all the time or everyday to stay “thin” and believing it is “willpower” is worse for your overall health than being overweight.

Who is actually, truly "hungry" all the time? Is your stomach doing that painful scraping thing??

No one eating more than 1500 calories/day is ever actually hungry, unless they're running 10 miles a day.

I think many people confuse cravings, boredom, or lack of fullness for "hunger." Because if you're eating a decent amount (say 1500 calories) and still feeling that painful scraping feeling in your stomach, you need to see a doctor.

1500 calories a day isn’t a lot.

Wasn’t there an Ancel Keys study during WWII where they restricted men’s calories to 1500 calories a day for six months, and they all went kind of crazy?

PP here, and I agree that 1500 isn't a lot if one is active and female. It's the amount many women should eat if they were at rest, all day every day.

But most of us get a bit of movement here and there. 1500, however, is fine if if you're trying to lose weight (and no sorry, I don't believe the "I can't lose weight on 1200 calories!" posters). Point being, you're not going to actually feel physical hunger if you're eating 1500 calories/day.

I don’t know. Those guys started hoarding food, got mildly depressed, stopped being interested in sex, and got obsessed with thinking about themselves and their health.

They also had a ton of trouble when they started eating normally again.

It doesn’t sound good.

Are those dudes like 6'10" and weight 250lbs? Well yeah, they should eat more than 1500 calories.

But a 5'5" woman? 1500 is perfectly healthy, if you're trying to drop a couple lbs. It's odd that you think 1500 is low. That's literally how much they'd feed most women if they were in a coma (and it would be perfectly healthy).

You heard it here first, folks! The way for women to lose weight is to FEED THEM AS IF THEY WERE IN A COMA.

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Anonymous wrote:Permanent weight loss without surgical or medical intervention is mostly a myth.

Yep. As a person who has done a million diets and not one that stuck, and now five years out of weight loss surgery that has stuck, this is a fact.

There are millions of people who keep weight off without surgery. Just because you can’t doesn’t mean it’s not true for the rest of us. Stop denying our lived experience.

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NP sand actually there aren’t millions of people who lose weight and keep it off permanently. They have studied it and the people who successfully do this are the exception and not the rule.

It's not because it's not possible, but it's because those people aren't willing to do the work and make the long term changes.

Because newsflash, most people in life don't want to do hard things or uncomfortable things.

Okay. That’s fair. In order to lose weight and keep it off, you have to not only do the work to lose it, but to be willing to commit the rest of your life to working on it. Whatever else might be going on with you, this has to be one of your main priorities.

I would say this is true of the people I know who had lost weight and kept it off. It is part of their identity.

Or you could just more normally. That’s also a possibility. Once you learn how not to over eat and what works for you it might just happen without thinking about it.

Yeah. I don’t know anyone like this. I don’t know anyone who was just like, “I was overweight all of my life, and then I just realized that I was just eating an abnormally large amount of food at every meal for absolutely no reason. So, I quit doing that, the weight fell off, and now I never think about it.”

That's not how it goes. It goes something like this.

Something in your life gets to you, and you are forced to reckon with your emotions/past/feelings/etc. You realize that food has filled a void for you, and you learn that exercise is an awesome outlet for releasing feelings and emotions. So you eat a bit less. Move a bit more. You begin to feel better mentally, and that helps your body feel better physically. You keep it up, consistently, because it starts to feel nice. And slowly, you lose weight.

And your body even finds a new set point, after you cultivated some new habits. And you do it for a year. Then 2. then 5. Then 10. To break the old habits, you need to make new ones.

Of course diets don't work. To keep weight off, you need sustainable (NOT extreme) long term changes. It's completely and totally doable.

- lost 60 lbs, kept it off for 10 years after being obese for 25+

I don’t know what to tell you. This hasn’t been my experience. Most fat people do not have an emotional void, and most do not “feel nice” when they make these changes. For most people, a 5% weight loss over the course of a year is associated with feelings of depression.

I’m glad that this worked for you, and it sounds like you had some disordered eating habits, but I don’t think your experience is generalizable, attainable, or even desirable for most people.

Bullshiat. No one is overeating significantly (enough to become obese) just because they like food. There's something else going on, even if they haven't mentally untangled it yet. And of course it doen't "feel nice" immediately when you make (small, consistent) changes. But after a little bit, you do notice the positive effects of eating better quality food and moving more. That is biology, not exceptionalism.

But there's a mental hurdle pushing them to go back to the food that gave them comfort or security, and that's the thing you have to do to achieve success.

But please, go ahead and continue to make excuses. Trust me, I'm familiar with all of them and the stories we tell ourselves.

Wow you hated fat self so, so much and continue to hate fat people now. Your contempt drips off your post.

That sounds like projection on your part. I've been on both sides, and I know the stories we tell ourselves to keep the narrative going.

Nope. You’re authoring in a lot to protect yourself. But I would treat the part of you that despises your fat self, because you really just despise yourself. Your fat self was still you.

Of course my fat self was still me, and I don't hate her at all. I feel compassion for how she dealt with the hurt she felt as a parentified child, the survivor's guilt she experienced, and the ignorance she had regarding food, weight, exercise, and health. It wasn't her fault.

But at the same time, I'm damn proud of the woman I am for doing the hard work mentally and physically, to not only "lose the weight" but maintain it for a decade now of my adult life.

I hope you can dig deep and achieve the same success and confidence boost. Not the confidence boost from the weightloss necessarily, but the success of doing really hard things, untangling the bad habits, and the immense pride in doing things you could never do before.

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Anonymous wrote:Being hungry all the time or everyday to stay “thin” and believing it is “willpower” is worse for your overall health than being overweight.

Who is actually, truly "hungry" all the time? Is your stomach doing that painful scraping thing??

No one eating more than 1500 calories/day is ever actually hungry, unless they're running 10 miles a day.

I think many people confuse cravings, boredom, or lack of fullness for "hunger." Because if you're eating a decent amount (say 1500 calories) and still feeling that painful scraping feeling in your stomach, you need to see a doctor.

1500 calories a day isn’t a lot.

Wasn’t there an Ancel Keys study during WWII where they restricted men’s calories to 1500 calories a day for six months, and they all went kind of crazy?

PP here, and I agree that 1500 isn't a lot if one is active and female. It's the amount many women should eat if they were at rest, all day every day.

But most of us get a bit of movement here and there. 1500, however, is fine if if you're trying to lose weight (and no sorry, I don't believe the "I can't lose weight on 1200 calories!" posters). Point being, you're not going to actually feel physical hunger if you're eating 1500 calories/day.

I don’t know. Those guys started hoarding food, got mildly depressed, stopped being interested in sex, and got obsessed with thinking about themselves and their health.

They also had a ton of trouble when they started eating normally again.

It doesn’t sound good.

Are those dudes like 6'10" and weight 250lbs? Well yeah, they should eat more than 1500 calories.

But a 5'5" woman? 1500 is perfectly healthy, if you're trying to drop a couple lbs. It's odd that you think 1500 is low. That's literally how much they'd feed most women if they were in a coma (and it would be perfectly healthy).

You heard it here first, folks! The way for women to lose weight is to FEED THEM AS IF THEY WERE IN A COMA.

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Anonymous wrote:That the key to easy weight maintenance is only eating REAL food. No to artificial sweeteners, low fat products made with xanthan gum, etc. But YES to butter, bacon, whole milk alongside vegetables, lean meat, whole grains.

Agree. Real food is the key. I grew up in Eastern Europe and we only had real food. We never went to any restaurant ( non-existent in small towns), no fast food etc. We had unpasteurized milk that fermented after 2-3 days just sitting on the kitchen counter, fruits/vegetables from our garden, eggs from chickens that were roaming free etc. We ate tons of bread, butter, potatoes, meat, chicken broth soups, organ meats. We didn't have vending machines, there were no crappy pizzas, juices, chips, cereal, sodas etc. Everyone was slim. Our food here ( in USA) is just a disaster for the most part. Only those who have some awareness/knowledge and money, can live a healthy lifestyle.

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Anonymous wrote:Being hungry all the time or everyday to stay “thin” and believing it is “willpower” is worse for your overall health than being overweight.

Who is actually, truly "hungry" all the time? Is your stomach doing that painful scraping thing??

No one eating more than 1500 calories/day is ever actually hungry, unless they're running 10 miles a day.

I think many people confuse cravings, boredom, or lack of fullness for "hunger." Because if you're eating a decent amount (say 1500 calories) and still feeling that painful scraping feeling in your stomach, you need to see a doctor.

1500 calories a day isn’t a lot.

Wasn’t there an Ancel Keys study during WWII where they restricted men’s calories to 1500 calories a day for six months, and they all went kind of crazy?

PP here, and I agree that 1500 isn't a lot if one is active and female. It's the amount many women should eat if they were at rest, all day every day.

But most of us get a bit of movement here and there. 1500, however, is fine if if you're trying to lose weight (and no sorry, I don't believe the "I can't lose weight on 1200 calories!" posters). Point being, you're not going to actually feel physical hunger if you're eating 1500 calories/day.

I don’t know. Those guys started hoarding food, got mildly depressed, stopped being interested in sex, and got obsessed with thinking about themselves and their health.

They also had a ton of trouble when they started eating normally again.

It doesn’t sound good.

Are those dudes like 6'10" and weight 250lbs? Well yeah, they should eat more than 1500 calories.

But a 5'5" woman? 1500 is perfectly healthy, if you're trying to drop a couple lbs. It's odd that you think 1500 is low. That's literally how much they'd feed most women if they were in a coma (and it would be perfectly healthy).

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Anonymous wrote:Peloton is really awful for your body long term.

You said this is because people shouldn't cycle as a sole activity. I use Peloton but only cycle 2-4 times per month. I mostly run on a pelo treadmill and lift weights in pelo classes. Respectfully, I think you don't have a full picture of peloton since you seem to think it revolves around the bike.

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Anonymous wrote:Permanent weight loss without surgical or medical intervention is mostly a myth.

Yep. As a person who has done a million diets and not one that stuck, and now five years out of weight loss surgery that has stuck, this is a fact.

There are millions of people who keep weight off without surgery. Just because you can’t doesn’t mean it’s not true for the rest of us. Stop denying our lived experience.

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NP sand actually there aren’t millions of people who lose weight and keep it off permanently. They have studied it and the people who successfully do this are the exception and not the rule.

It's not because it's not possible, but it's because those people aren't willing to do the work and make the long term changes.

Because newsflash, most people in life don't want to do hard things or uncomfortable things.

Okay. That’s fair. In order to lose weight and keep it off, you have to not only do the work to lose it, but to be willing to commit the rest of your life to working on it. Whatever else might be going on with you, this has to be one of your main priorities.

I would say this is true of the people I know who had lost weight and kept it off. It is part of their identity.

Or you could just more normally. That’s also a possibility. Once you learn how not to over eat and what works for you it might just happen without thinking about it.

Yeah. I don’t know anyone like this. I don’t know anyone who was just like, “I was overweight all of my life, and then I just realized that I was just eating an abnormally large amount of food at every meal for absolutely no reason. So, I quit doing that, the weight fell off, and now I never think about it.”

That's not how it goes. It goes something like this.

Something in your life gets to you, and you are forced to reckon with your emotions/past/feelings/etc. You realize that food has filled a void for you, and you learn that exercise is an awesome outlet for releasing feelings and emotions. So you eat a bit less. Move a bit more. You begin to feel better mentally, and that helps your body feel better physically. You keep it up, consistently, because it starts to feel nice. And slowly, you lose weight.

And your body even finds a new set point, after you cultivated some new habits. And you do it for a year. Then 2. then 5. Then 10. To break the old habits, you need to make new ones.

Of course diets don't work. To keep weight off, you need sustainable (NOT extreme) long term changes. It's completely and totally doable.

- lost 60 lbs, kept it off for 10 years after being obese for 25+

I don’t know what to tell you. This hasn’t been my experience. Most fat people do not have an emotional void, and most do not “feel nice” when they make these changes. For most people, a 5% weight loss over the course of a year is associated with feelings of depression.

I’m glad that this worked for you, and it sounds like you had some disordered eating habits, but I don’t think your experience is generalizable, attainable, or even desirable for most people.

Bullshiat. No one is overeating significantly (enough to become obese) just because they like food. There's something else going on, even if they haven't mentally untangled it yet. And of course it doen't "feel nice" immediately when you make (small, consistent) changes. But after a little bit, you do notice the positive effects of eating better quality food and moving more. That is biology, not exceptionalism.

But there's a mental hurdle pushing them to go back to the food that gave them comfort or security, and that's the thing you have to do to achieve success.

But please, go ahead and continue to make excuses. Trust me, I'm familiar with all of them and the stories we tell ourselves.

Wow you hated fat self so, so much and continue to hate fat people now. Your contempt drips off your post.

That sounds like projection on your part. I've been on both sides, and I know the stories we tell ourselves to keep the narrative going.

Nope. You’re authoring in a lot to protect yourself. But I would treat the part of you that despises your fat self, because you really just despise yourself. Your fat self was still you.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweat-wicking clothes with "drying technology" are a scam

Strange take. Try running outside for more than 30 minutes in a cotton shirt compared to any synthetic fabric and report back the results. The synthetic fabric materials last forever now-possibly indefinitely.

I do run in cotton shirts; they dry quickly. The synthetic stuff just spreads the sweat around your body, since it's not non-absorbent.

I don’t know what to tell you other than you are doing it wrong.

Then again, maybe it’s a huge scam and every sport on earth is going to realize the “scam” and return to cotton shirts. Any day now.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweat-wicking clothes with "drying technology" are a scam

Strange take. Try running outside for more than 30 minutes in a cotton shirt compared to any synthetic fabric and report back the results. The synthetic fabric materials last forever now-possibly indefinitely.

I do run in cotton shirts; they dry quickly. The synthetic stuff just spreads the sweat around your body, since it's not non-absorbent.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweat-wicking clothes with "drying technology" are a scam

Strange take. Try running outside for more than 30 minutes in a cotton shirt compared to any synthetic fabric and report back the results. The synthetic fabric materials last forever now-possibly indefinitely.

I do run in cotton shirts; they dry quickly. The synthetic stuff just spreads the sweat around your body, since it's not non-absorbent.