Anonymous
01/14/2023 14:20
Subject: Re:Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Consider the possibility that all the noise, the raids and the investigation relating to Trump were political BS intended to harm an opponent. Democrats just didn't think it would come back on them.
Bingo. Spot on. The deflections, rationalizations, justifications, and idiotic conspiracy theories in the name of exonerating Biden are hilarious coming from this crowd of hypocrites.
Except that . . . the distinctions ACTUALLY exist. No matter how much you claim they don't. Literally, the ONLY thing in common between the two is that they both have classified docs in places they shouldn't. That's it.
Anonymous
01/14/2023 14:19
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden and was happy he won. Except for Border issue, he has done a great job so far. But I am appalled to read that a second set of highly classified documents were located in Biden’s garage in his Delaware home. In my opinion, Trump should be charged and prosecuted for his criminal behavior with classified documents. Likewise, Biden should be investigated to get to the bottom of his mishandling of classified documents. In the meantime, in my opinion, the honorable thing for Biden to do is to step aside and let Kamala Harris be acting POTUS. Any ordinary citizen would have been in handcuffs by now
All sounds lovely except that Kamala is worse than Joe in all respects.
Don't get me started.
You are so right.
The other thing to consider...... Biden will never just step down. The standard is that you don't indict a sitting president. So, he is "safe" as long as he is where he is.
He probably should be impeached. But, then, there is the issue of Kamala.
The GOP has stated they'll impeach him for SOMETHING at some point. That process means nothing anymore. You could impeach him 5 times over and it means nothing.
Anonymous
01/14/2023 14:18
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I believe this is a Democratic setup. Kamala (or someone in her camp) planted the documents in order to push Biden out.
That makes ZERO sense, simply from the perspective of access. Look at the facts as we know them:
1) Kamala had NO access to these places. None. Zero. Therefore she couldn’t have been responsible for planting them.
2) The secret service is heavily infiltrated with trumpers.
3) The secret service has access to every one of these places, even when the president is not there.
With just those three FACTS - and they are absolute FACTS - in mind, the most obvious scenario here is that the documents were planted by members of the secret service who are trumpers.
Someone earlier mentioned Hakim’s Razor. Well the simplest explanation according to that is that the documents were planted by trump operatives within the secret service. Any other scenario would call for more unsupported assumptions and is therefore less likely.
It really IS just this simple.
LOL Hakim's razor? The simplest explanation is that Trump masterminded this plan in 2017? You may want to look up the word fact.
Definition and explanation
Occam's razor (also known as the 'law of parsimony') is a philosophical tool for 'shaving off' unlikely explanations. Essentially, when faced with competing explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest is likely the correct one.
It’s curious that so many people here are so anxious to blame Joe and chalk this up as an innocent mistake, while at the same time poo-poo’ing the very possible theory that this entire thing was a set-up by RW actors within the govt, including secret service.
Seriously- why are some of you so quick to dismiss this possibility? Why are some of you (assuming you’re posting in good faith) so quick to deny that this could be a operation designed to harm Joe, brought forth by trump sympathizers within the secret service?
Question for you: did you assume that the documents found in MAL were planted by Democratic operatives? We'll wait while you spin your answer up.
DP
I’ll humor your ridiculous question:
Trump stole classified nuclear documents to sell them to Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia. No one planted them. Trump stole them, for personal enrichment to sell them to our enemies. He should be convicted of treason and dealt with as the Rosenbergs were dealt with.
Is that clear enough?
Storing classified in your garage is something that would normally lead to the revocation of a security clearance.
Both men mishandled classified. Neither should be killed for it, since mishandling the documents does not make them spies.
There’s a long thread on this website saying how horrible it is, and how the person that has them is a traitor. Suddenly it’s "no big deal"?
The only thing in common with the two situations is both have documents they should not have. That is where the similarities end, whether you are too dumb to grasp that or not.
One has cooperated (B) and one has not (T).
One has defied subpoenas (T), the other has not had subpoenas necessary (B).
One's attorneys are cooperating (B), the other has lied on legal documents (T).
One, b/c of the above not b/c of having documents, is being considered for obstruction (T), the other is not b/c of the above cooperation (B).
One is being considered for charges for violation of the espionage act (T), thus indicating at this point the severity of the documents in their possession (T); the other is at the early stages and we know nothing about them yet (B).
Anonymous
01/14/2023 14:17
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I believe this is a Democratic setup. Kamala (or someone in her camp) planted the documents in order to push Biden out.
That makes ZERO sense, simply from the perspective of access. Look at the facts as we know them:
1) Kamala had NO access to these places. None. Zero. Therefore she couldn’t have been responsible for planting them.
2) The secret service is heavily infiltrated with trumpers.
3) The secret service has access to every one of these places, even when the president is not there.
With just those three FACTS - and they are absolute FACTS - in mind, the most obvious scenario here is that the documents were planted by members of the secret service who are trumpers.
Someone earlier mentioned Hakim’s Razor. Well the simplest explanation according to that is that the documents were planted by trump operatives within the secret service. Any other scenario would call for more unsupported assumptions and is therefore less likely.
It really IS just this simple.
LOL Hakim's razor? The simplest explanation is that Trump masterminded this plan in 2017? You may want to look up the word fact.
Definition and explanation
Occam's razor (also known as the 'law of parsimony') is a philosophical tool for 'shaving off' unlikely explanations. Essentially, when faced with competing explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest is likely the correct one.
It’s curious that so many people here are so anxious to blame Joe and chalk this up as an innocent mistake, while at the same time poo-poo’ing the very possible theory that this entire thing was a set-up by RW actors within the govt, including secret service.
Seriously- why are some of you so quick to dismiss this possibility? Why are some of you (assuming you’re posting in good faith) so quick to deny that this could be a operation designed to harm Joe, brought forth by trump sympathizers within the secret service?
Question for you: did you assume that the documents found in MAL were planted by Democratic operatives? We'll wait while you spin your answer up.
DP
I’ll humor your ridiculous question:
Trump stole classified nuclear documents to sell them to Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia. No one planted them. Trump stole them, for personal enrichment to sell them to our enemies. He should be convicted of treason and dealt with as the Rosenbergs were dealt with.
Is that clear enough?
Storing classified in your garage is something that would normally lead to the revocation of a security clearance.
Both men mishandled classified. Neither should be killed for it, since mishandling the documents does not make them spies.
There’s a long thread on this website saying how horrible it is, and how the person that has them is a traitor. Suddenly it’s "no big deal"?
If Trump hasn't faced any consequences whatsoever for it then evidently it isn't a big deal.
Anonymous
01/14/2023 14:14
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden and was happy he won. Except for Border issue, he has done a great job so far. But I am appalled to read that a second set of highly classified documents were located in Biden’s garage in his Delaware home. In my opinion, Trump should be charged and prosecuted for his criminal behavior with classified documents. Likewise, Biden should be investigated to get to the bottom of his mishandling of classified documents. In the meantime, in my opinion, the honorable thing for Biden to do is to step aside and let Kamala Harris be acting POTUS. Any ordinary citizen would have been in handcuffs by now
All sounds lovely except that Kamala is worse than Joe in all respects.
Don't get me started.
Oh here we go with the woman in politics bashing . . . I was wondering when you'd show up.
Bashing THIS woman, deservedly
Deservedly for what, exactly?
Anonymous
01/14/2023 13:22
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I voted for Biden and was happy he won. Except for Border issue, he has done a great job so far. But I am appalled to read that a second set of highly classified documents were located in Biden’s garage in his Delaware home. In my opinion, Trump should be charged and prosecuted for his criminal behavior with classified documents. Likewise, Biden should be investigated to get to the bottom of his mishandling of classified documents. In the meantime, in my opinion, the honorable thing for Biden to do is to step aside and let Kamala Harris be acting POTUS. Any ordinary citizen would have been in handcuffs by now
All sounds lovely except that Kamala is worse than Joe in all respects.
Don't get me started.
You are so right.
The other thing to consider...... Biden will never just step down. The standard is that you don't indict a sitting president. So, he is "safe" as long as he is where he is.
He probably should be impeached. But, then, there is the issue of Kamala.
Anonymous
01/14/2023 13:04
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I believe this is a Democratic setup. Kamala (or someone in her camp) planted the documents in order to push Biden out.
That makes ZERO sense, simply from the perspective of access. Look at the facts as we know them:
1) Kamala had NO access to these places. None. Zero. Therefore she couldn’t have been responsible for planting them.
2) The secret service is heavily infiltrated with trumpers.
3) The secret service has access to every one of these places, even when the president is not there.
With just those three FACTS - and they are absolute FACTS - in mind, the most obvious scenario here is that the documents were planted by members of the secret service who are trumpers.
Someone earlier mentioned Hakim’s Razor. Well the simplest explanation according to that is that the documents were planted by trump operatives within the secret service. Any other scenario would call for more unsupported assumptions and is therefore less likely.
It really IS just this simple.
LOL Hakim's razor? The simplest explanation is that Trump masterminded this plan in 2017? You may want to look up the word fact.
Definition and explanation
Occam's razor (also known as the 'law of parsimony') is a philosophical tool for 'shaving off' unlikely explanations. Essentially, when faced with competing explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest is likely the correct one.
It’s curious that so many people here are so anxious to blame Joe and chalk this up as an innocent mistake, while at the same time poo-poo’ing the very possible theory that this entire thing was a set-up by RW actors within the govt, including secret service.
Seriously- why are some of you so quick to dismiss this possibility? Why are some of you (assuming you’re posting in good faith) so quick to deny that this could be a operation designed to harm Joe, brought forth by trump sympathizers within the secret service?
Question for you: did you assume that the documents found in MAL were planted by Democratic operatives? We'll wait while you spin your answer up.
DP
I’ll humor your ridiculous question:
Trump stole classified nuclear documents to sell them to Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia. No one planted them. Trump stole them, for personal enrichment to sell them to our enemies. He should be convicted of treason and dealt with as the Rosenbergs were dealt with.
Is that clear enough?
Storing classified in your garage is something that would normally lead to the revocation of a security clearance.
Both men mishandled classified. Neither should be killed for it, since mishandling the documents does not make them spies.
There’s a long thread on this website saying how horrible it is, and how the person that has them is a traitor. Suddenly it’s "no big deal"?
It's a very big deal. But right now, it's not a crime eligible for the death penalty. Mishandling isnt legally the same as espionage.
Anonymous
01/14/2023 12:37
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I believe this is a Democratic setup. Kamala (or someone in her camp) planted the documents in order to push Biden out.
That makes ZERO sense, simply from the perspective of access. Look at the facts as we know them:
1) Kamala had NO access to these places. None. Zero. Therefore she couldn’t have been responsible for planting them.
2) The secret service is heavily infiltrated with trumpers.
3) The secret service has access to every one of these places, even when the president is not there.
With just those three FACTS - and they are absolute FACTS - in mind, the most obvious scenario here is that the documents were planted by members of the secret service who are trumpers.
Someone earlier mentioned Hakim’s Razor. Well the simplest explanation according to that is that the documents were planted by trump operatives within the secret service. Any other scenario would call for more unsupported assumptions and is therefore less likely.
It really IS just this simple.
LOL Hakim's razor? The simplest explanation is that Trump masterminded this plan in 2017? You may want to look up the word fact.
Definition and explanation
Occam's razor (also known as the 'law of parsimony') is a philosophical tool for 'shaving off' unlikely explanations. Essentially, when faced with competing explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest is likely the correct one.
It’s curious that so many people here are so anxious to blame Joe and chalk this up as an innocent mistake, while at the same time poo-poo’ing the very possible theory that this entire thing was a set-up by RW actors within the govt, including secret service.
Seriously- why are some of you so quick to dismiss this possibility? Why are some of you (assuming you’re posting in good faith) so quick to deny that this could be a operation designed to harm Joe, brought forth by trump sympathizers within the secret service?
Question for you: did you assume that the documents found in MAL were planted by Democratic operatives? We'll wait while you spin your answer up.
DP
I’ll humor your ridiculous question:
Trump stole classified nuclear documents to sell them to Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia. No one planted them. Trump stole them, for personal enrichment to sell them to our enemies. He should be convicted of treason and dealt with as the Rosenbergs were dealt with.
Is that clear enough?
Storing classified in your garage is something that would normally lead to the revocation of a security clearance.
Both men mishandled classified. Neither should be killed for it, since mishandling the documents does not make them spies.
There’s a long thread on this website saying how horrible it is, and how the person that has them is a traitor. Suddenly it’s "no big deal"?
Anonymous
01/14/2023 12:29
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I believe this is a Democratic setup. Kamala (or someone in her camp) planted the documents in order to push Biden out.
That makes ZERO sense, simply from the perspective of access. Look at the facts as we know them:
1) Kamala had NO access to these places. None. Zero. Therefore she couldn’t have been responsible for planting them.
2) The secret service is heavily infiltrated with trumpers.
3) The secret service has access to every one of these places, even when the president is not there.
With just those three FACTS - and they are absolute FACTS - in mind, the most obvious scenario here is that the documents were planted by members of the secret service who are trumpers.
Someone earlier mentioned Hakim’s Razor. Well the simplest explanation according to that is that the documents were planted by trump operatives within the secret service. Any other scenario would call for more unsupported assumptions and is therefore less likely.
It really IS just this simple.
LOL Hakim's razor? The simplest explanation is that Trump masterminded this plan in 2017? You may want to look up the word fact.
Definition and explanation
Occam's razor (also known as the 'law of parsimony') is a philosophical tool for 'shaving off' unlikely explanations. Essentially, when faced with competing explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest is likely the correct one.
It’s curious that so many people here are so anxious to blame Joe and chalk this up as an innocent mistake, while at the same time poo-poo’ing the very possible theory that this entire thing was a set-up by RW actors within the govt, including secret service.
Seriously- why are some of you so quick to dismiss this possibility? Why are some of you (assuming you’re posting in good faith) so quick to deny that this could be a operation designed to harm Joe, brought forth by trump sympathizers within the secret service?
Question for you: did you assume that the documents found in MAL were planted by Democratic operatives? We'll wait while you spin your answer up.
DP
I’ll humor your ridiculous question:
Trump stole classified nuclear documents to sell them to Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia. No one planted them. Trump stole them, for personal enrichment to sell them to our enemies. He should be convicted of treason and dealt with as the Rosenbergs were dealt with.
Is that clear enough?
Storing classified in your garage is something that would normally lead to the revocation of a security clearance.
Both men mishandled classified. Neither should be killed for it, since mishandling the documents does not make them spies.
Anonymous
01/14/2023 12:25
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I believe this is a Democratic setup. Kamala (or someone in her camp) planted the documents in order to push Biden out.
That makes ZERO sense, simply from the perspective of access. Look at the facts as we know them:
1) Kamala had NO access to these places. None. Zero. Therefore she couldn’t have been responsible for planting them.
2) The secret service is heavily infiltrated with trumpers.
3) The secret service has access to every one of these places, even when the president is not there.
With just those three FACTS - and they are absolute FACTS - in mind, the most obvious scenario here is that the documents were planted by members of the secret service who are trumpers.
Someone earlier mentioned Hakim’s Razor. Well the simplest explanation according to that is that the documents were planted by trump operatives within the secret service. Any other scenario would call for more unsupported assumptions and is therefore less likely.
It really IS just this simple.
LOL Hakim's razor? The simplest explanation is that Trump masterminded this plan in 2017? You may want to look up the word fact.
Definition and explanation
Occam's razor (also known as the 'law of parsimony') is a philosophical tool for 'shaving off' unlikely explanations. Essentially, when faced with competing explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest is likely the correct one.
It’s curious that so many people here are so anxious to blame Joe and chalk this up as an innocent mistake, while at the same time poo-poo’ing the very possible theory that this entire thing was a set-up by RW actors within the govt, including secret service.
Seriously- why are some of you so quick to dismiss this possibility? Why are some of you (assuming you’re posting in good faith) so quick to deny that this could be a operation designed to harm Joe, brought forth by trump sympathizers within the secret service?
Question for you: did you assume that the documents found in MAL were planted by Democratic operatives? We'll wait while you spin your answer up.
DP
I thought the FBI planted them. That’s what Trump said and he wouldn’t lie.
The FBI wanted all cameras cut off, and no lawyers could be present. That raises suspicions right there.
No, that’s standard.
Then it stands to reason that planting evidence is a possibility.
Anonymous
01/14/2023 12:20
Subject: Re:Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:The idea that Biden is cooperating and Trump was not is bogus. Trump has an argument that he can keep the documents. Biden does not have authority to have such documents as VP.
He doesn't actually.
But, I'd love for you to explain this authority you think he has . . .
Anonymous
01/14/2023 10:09
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
The fact that you think Biden needs to step down yet are fine with Trump not having faced any consequences and being the top GOP contender for President in 2024, despite Trump's issues being far worse, is a huge contradiction.
Anonymous
01/14/2023 09:42
Subject: Re:Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:The idea that Biden is cooperating and Trump was not is bogus. Trump has an argument that he can keep the documents. Biden does not have authority to have such documents as VP.
That’s only an argument if you are six years old. They were never his documents.
Anonymous
01/14/2023 08:22
Subject: Re:Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:The idea that Biden is cooperating and Trump was not is bogus. Trump has an argument that he can keep the documents. Biden does not have authority to have such documents as VP.
What argument is that? That he willed them unclassified with his mind?
Anonymous
01/14/2023 07:58
Subject: Should Biden even continue as POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I believe this is a Democratic setup. Kamala (or someone in her camp) planted the documents in order to push Biden out.
That makes ZERO sense, simply from the perspective of access. Look at the facts as we know them:
1) Kamala had NO access to these places. None. Zero. Therefore she couldn’t have been responsible for planting them.
2) The secret service is heavily infiltrated with trumpers.
3) The secret service has access to every one of these places, even when the president is not there.
With just those three FACTS - and they are absolute FACTS - in mind, the most obvious scenario here is that the documents were planted by members of the secret service who are trumpers.
Someone earlier mentioned Hakim’s Razor. Well the simplest explanation according to that is that the documents were planted by trump operatives within the secret service. Any other scenario would call for more unsupported assumptions and is therefore less likely.
It really IS just this simple.
LOL Hakim's razor? The simplest explanation is that Trump masterminded this plan in 2017? You may want to look up the word fact.
Definition and explanation
Occam's razor (also known as the 'law of parsimony') is a philosophical tool for 'shaving off' unlikely explanations. Essentially, when faced with competing explanations for the same phenomenon, the simplest is likely the correct one.
It’s curious that so many people here are so anxious to blame Joe and chalk this up as an innocent mistake, while at the same time poo-poo’ing the very possible theory that this entire thing was a set-up by RW actors within the govt, including secret service.
Seriously- why are some of you so quick to dismiss this possibility? Why are some of you (assuming you’re posting in good faith) so quick to deny that this could be a operation designed to harm Joe, brought forth by trump sympathizers within the secret service?
Question for you: did you assume that the documents found in MAL were planted by Democratic operatives? We'll wait while you spin your answer up.
DP
I thought the FBI planted them. That’s what Trump said and he wouldn’t lie.
The FBI wanted all cameras cut off, and no lawyers could be present. That raises suspicions right there.
No, that’s standard.