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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

Absolutely.

Then why don’t people in this thread who think it’s so easy to just use discipline and personal responsibility to lose weight become obese and lose it? After all, Ozempic only works by making you less interested in food, but since you can easily do that with your willpower, what’s stopping you from spending a year obese?

Being obese is unhealthy and many are not willing to take that risk. Drew Manning believes that discipline and personal responsibility does lead to weight loss. To prove it he gained over 60 pounds on purpose and then lost all with diet and exercise. To show it works he did it TWICE.

I have a normal BMI and I've never been obese, but I did gain 15 pounds during covid. I had to make a change in my attitude and eating. Once I did the weight came off.

Agree. Of course telling people to eat heathy and not overeat doesn’t work. They have to actually want to do it and stick to it most of the time. And unfortunately, a lot (most) people that aren’t a heathy weight just don’t really care all that much. At least not at first. Until they get to be obese and then they try to back track and can’t. The chick-fil-A line is literally wrapped around the building. Same with Starbucks and Five Guys. Masses of people waiting in line to eat crap.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

Absolutely.

Then why don’t people in this thread who think it’s so easy to just use discipline and personal responsibility to lose weight become obese and lose it? After all, Ozempic only works by making you less interested in food, but since you can easily do that with your willpower, what’s stopping you from spending a year obese?

Being obese is unhealthy and many are not willing to take that risk. Drew Manning believes that discipline and personal responsibility does lead to weight loss. To prove it he gained over 60 pounds on purpose and then lost all with diet and exercise. To show it works he did it TWICE.

I have a normal BMI and I've never been obese, but I did gain 15 pounds during covid. I had to make a change in my attitude and eating. Once I did the weight came off.

So he didn’t do it for fun/moral hazard reasons. He did it to prove a point. And to my mind what he proved relates to why Ozempic works: his brain chemistry is already wired for him to be able to eat what he should eat for optimal health. That’s why it was so easy. I’ve never heard of his guy but I bet as he lost the weight he had a bunch of videos talking about how much better he felt when he stopped overeating and overriding his internal hunger cues?

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

Why should they be a last resort?

Last resort...that's crazy! Surgery should be last resort.

The mental gymnastics some of you are having are these meds is astonishing. They are helping lose weight and get healthy! Why are so against them? Page after page, no still has explained why the same conversations are not had about anxiety medications, acne medications cholesterol medications, blood pressure medications, ADHD medications,....

No one is "against" them for those who need them. But shouldn't our goal be to reduce the number of people who become obese and need them?

What some seem to suggest is there is NO WAY to take personal accountability and stop the eating pattern before you eventually become obese. So just throw up your hands and go straight to the meds.

That’s been the goal for a number of years and yet the problem is only getting worse, fast. We’ve been telling people to take personal accountability eat healthy and exercise more for DECADES. Diet and exercise is a billion dollar industry. It’s simply not working.

The fat shamers want us all to work harder at something that’s not working.

And to respond to some of the bat crap insane ideas put forth on this thread by the fat shamers:
“People are going to be excited to get obese if these drugs are out there.” Are you people fully insane? I am obese. It is not fun. I am still a person of worth, but I would prefer to just purchase clothes easily and with more style. No one sets out to get obese.

“You’re all saying it’s bad to eat healthy and avoid gaining weight!” The hell we are. Lots of us “ate healthy” for what that meant at the time. “Eating healthy” for a long time was no or low fat. While Dr. Dean Ornish felt that meant little to no meat and lots of vegetables and some low fat things, that’s not how many people ate. Even the ridiculous Snackwells had the halo of healthy. They weren’t high in fat, remember? People still push this nonsense, when all “low fat” does is drive people away from whole foods like full fat dairy and meat and things like deliciously prepared vegetables. (Are low fat veg dishes sometimes good? Sure. Are they as good as veggies with some butter or olive oil? Hell no!) And once you have disrupted how people eat and do not replace it with something of equal nutritional value, you have broken them and a segment will throw up their hands and say it’s all bad. Enter really ridiculously bad eating habits. Nutritional nihilism.

“People are fat because they’re lazy and dumb and make bad choices” (oh, sorry, “most people are overweight due to lifestyle habits”) OH MY GOD. If it were this simple, making the changes would magic the weight off. I know you keyboard trainers think it’s all CICO but if that were the case, we wouldn’t have obesity problems.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

Absolutely.

Then why don’t people in this thread who think it’s so easy to just use discipline and personal responsibility to lose weight become obese and lose it? After all, Ozempic only works by making you less interested in food, but since you can easily do that with your willpower, what’s stopping you from spending a year obese?

Being obese is unhealthy and many are not willing to take that risk. Drew Manning believes that discipline and personal responsibility does lead to weight loss. To prove it he gained over 60 pounds on purpose and then lost all with diet and exercise. To show it works he did it TWICE.

I have a normal BMI and I've never been obese, but I did gain 15 pounds during covid. I had to make a change in my attitude and eating. Once I did the weight came off.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

NP I really do think this can happen. I think over time healthy eating and sticking to a reasonable amount of calories per day will be replaced with the attitude that there is no need to restrict because you can always get the drugs. It will take time and may impact certain populations, but I can see it happening.

I read a study on how attitude about safe sex changed once there were effective therapies. People were more willing to take risks because there is safe and effective medication.

Interesting hypothetical, but no reason to think these drugs shouldn’t be widely used where indicated.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

NP I really do think this can happen. I think over time healthy eating and sticking to a reasonable amount of calories per day will be replaced with the attitude that there is no need to restrict because you can always get the drugs. It will take time and may impact certain populations, but I can see it happening.

I read a study on how attitude about safe sex changed once there were effective therapies. People were more willing to take risks because there is safe and effective medication.

Young people are having less sex than ever and teen pregnancies are way down so it seems like that’s not really what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

NP I really do think this can happen. I think over time healthy eating and sticking to a reasonable amount of calories per day will be replaced with the attitude that there is no need to restrict because you can always get the drugs. It will take time and may impact certain populations, but I can see it happening.

I read a study on how attitude about safe sex changed once there were effective therapies. People were more willing to take risks because there is safe and effective medication.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

Absolutely.

Then why don’t people in this thread who think it’s so easy to just use discipline and personal responsibility to lose weight become obese and lose it? After all, Ozempic only works by making you less interested in food, but since you can easily do that with your willpower, what’s stopping you from spending a year obese?

Uh, I just entered the thread, but I can think of a lot of reasons beyond how hard it might be to lose weight to not want to be one obese in the first place. This comment makes no sense.

(I don’t think it’s easy to lose weight via “willpower” either, and I also don’t think these new drugs, most of which have serious side effects and are not really that different from other appetite suppressing drugs from the past, will cure obesity).

Yes, that was my point. This person thinks people will gain weight simply because a medication will make it easier to lose it. But obviously any non-idiot can think of a thousand reasons no sane person would become obese just because they no longer believed it was irreversible.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

Absolutely.

Then why don’t people in this thread who think it’s so easy to just use discipline and personal responsibility to lose weight become obese and lose it? After all, Ozempic only works by making you less interested in food, but since you can easily do that with your willpower, what’s stopping you from spending a year obese?

Uh, I just entered the thread, but I can think of a lot of reasons beyond how hard it might be to lose weight to not want to be one obese in the first place. This comment makes no sense.

(I don’t think it’s easy to lose weight via “willpower” either, and I also don’t think these new drugs, most of which have serious side effects and are not really that different from other appetite suppressing drugs from the past, will cure obesity).

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

It really not. So stop tripping. Everything is a tool. Nobody is saying that folks shouldn't eat healthy foods or exercise even while taking these meds. If you eat badly while taking these meds, they won't work. So stop being ridiculous.

I'm not talking about while taking the meds. I have no experience with the meds and what you can/can't do while taking them. [b]I'm talking about encouraging healthy eating and exercise BEFORE people reach the point of needing the meds.

I'm glad you agree it shouldn't be perceived as fat shaming. I think it is just simple health and common sense. I don't know why it is so controversial here.

You must be 50 years older than me because my entire life I’ve been absolutely bombarded with public health messages about eating and exercise, from school to parents to public health PSAs. I knew how to count calories as a kid and how many calories were in the school lunch items.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

Absolutely.

Got it. So you’re just a moron, then.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

Absolutely.

Then why don’t people in this thread who think it’s so easy to just use discipline and personal responsibility to lose weight become obese and lose it? After all, Ozempic only works by making you less interested in food, but since you can easily do that with your willpower, what’s stopping you from spending a year obese?

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

People are literally saying there is no use to telling people to eat healthy foods and exercise because studies show it doesn't work for weight loss.

Fully agree we need to keep pushing the message to eat healthy and exercise for both health and weight management. Sure, once you are too obese it might not work and then you need drugs. But before that point, we should encourage it.

Again, no one is saying that. No one has ever said that. I don’t know how to explain it to you so you understand.

We are saying that doing these things does not lead to permanent weight loss. No one is saying that there are no value or health benefits to healthy eating and exercise. There are many other health markers besides BMI.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

You really think there’s a moral hazard of people becoming obese because they think they will be able to lose the weight? Really?

Absolutely.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

I don't have a problem with people taking the drugs who need them.

I am concerned with the [b]idea that we should encourage people to eat whatever and however much they want[b] (because there is "no evidence" that telling them to eat healthy and exercise does any good). Then, when they eat their way to obesity, "don't worry, there's a drug for that."

Are the people encouraging this in the room right now?

Literally no one is saying this or doing this. You have completely made that up. You know there are benefits to health-seeking behaviors like eating a nutritious varied diet with limited processed foods and exercising even if they don’t lead to permanent weight loss, right?

Yes, but encouraging people to exercise personal accountability by eating healthy foods for their health is seen as "fat shaming" on this board, bizarrely.

It really not. So stop tripping. Everything is a tool. Nobody is saying that folks shouldn't eat healthy foods or exercise even while taking these meds. If you eat badly while taking these meds, they won't work. So stop being ridiculous.

I'm not talking about while taking the meds. I have no experience with the meds and what you can/can't do while taking them. I'm talking about encouraging healthy eating and exercise BEFORE people reach the point of needing the meds.

I'm glad you agree it shouldn't be perceived as fat shaming. I think it is just simple health and common sense. I don't know why it is so controversial here.