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Anonymous wrote:The difference between Top 20 and Top 25 is not meaningful. In fact, most rankings talk about the Top 25, so it’s a little curious why OP chose to make this thread about the Top 20. My guess is that OP is one of a small number or perhaps THE one who starts these contentious ranking threads. In time, they always devolve into the same arguments: 1) some Ivies are not REAL Ivies; 2) Columbia and Chicago are not as good as other top-rated schools; 3) schools ranked 14-25 are unworthy; 4) UVA is overrated, racist, and unknown outside Virginia; 5) tech-focused schools are going to rise in the rankings at the expense of many others. When you see these themes pounded again and again, they are the same poster. The point of this thread being Top 20 is to exclude UVA as a top school and then to call supporters “boosters and strivers.” These are common code words of this highly repetitive poster. Basically, the ranking threads are troll posts hoping to stir the pot and create animosity towards certain schools. Don’t fall for it.

T20 is typical reference for ranking of schools. T25 is seldom used.

People just naturally think in the multiples of 10.
If you look at the colleges list T25 makes much more sense.

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Then why is law school referred to t14?

T20 makes sense because that’s the historical cut off before you hit the first publics

Exactly my point. T14 makes sense becasue substantial gap between 14th and 15th, but not much between 13th and 14th.

Not much gap between current T20 and schools like Emory Georgetown CMU USC etc.

However there's gap between these and other T30 schools like Wake Forest, UF, UCSB, UNC

So T25 make much more sense.

Sincere question: what metrics are you using to make this assertion? What data, or subjective program ratings, or ...?

For example, this forum taught me about the Poets and Quants site, and within that I learned a lot I didn't know specifically about business programs and ranking methodology (they're as scientific about that process as any endeavor I've seen). I'm also vaguely aware of how performance music programs are evaluated (Julliard, Berklee, etc).

So again, explain how to arrived at the conclusion that there's not much difference between a Vanderbilt (#14) and Georgetown (#23), while there is a substantial difference between a Tufts (#29) and a Georgetown (#23)

Schools like Tufts and UVA are solid T30 schools, but not T25 looking at the last several years of history.
This is not an exact science but for references.

Does T20 ever made sense to you then?
Harvard and UCLA are not at the same level either.
Just that T25 seems to be better reference point than T20

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

You're a moron. There is more than 1 ranking. Using USnews as the only ranking to qualify prestige is stupid especially since they don't rank LACs. For instance USC is 27 on USnews but 19 on Times. While Notre Dame is 19 on USnews and 36 on Times. So why should ND be considered a top school if USC is not? There's 5 undergrad rankings, they all should be taken into consideration not just 1.
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I have one kid in USC and one kid in ND, so I'll pick and choose better number from each LOL
However, USN&WR seems more reasonable for undergraduate.
Overall I would consider ND a T20 school and USC a T25 school.
Overall ranking is just for an initial reference, specific program and fit is more important.

For my kid 1 USC is definitely a better school, and for kid 2 ND is definitely a better school.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

You're a moron. There is more than 1 ranking. Using USnews as the only ranking to qualify prestige is stupid especially since they don't rank LACs. For instance USC is 27 on USnews but 19 on Times. While Notre Dame is 19 on USnews and 36 on Times. So why should ND be considered a top school if USC is not? There's 5 undergrad rankings, they all should be taken into consideration not just 1.
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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

So many of these schools listed these days just seem so blah. I mean most weren't even top 40 when I went to college.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

You're a moron. There is more than 1 ranking. Using USnews as the only ranking to qualify prestige is stupid especially since they don't rank LACs. For instance USC is 27 on USnews but 19 on Times. While Notre Dame is 19 on USnews and 36 on Times. So why should ND be considered a top school if USC is not? There's 5 undergrad rankings, they all should be taken into consideration not just 1.
.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

So many of these schools listed these days just seem so blah. I mean most weren't even top 40 when I went to college.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between Top 20 and Top 25 is not meaningful. In fact, most rankings talk about the Top 25, so it’s a little curious why OP chose to make this thread about the Top 20. My guess is that OP is one of a small number or perhaps THE one who starts these contentious ranking threads. In time, they always devolve into the same arguments: 1) some Ivies are not REAL Ivies; 2) Columbia and Chicago are not as good as other top-rated schools; 3) schools ranked 14-25 are unworthy; 4) UVA is overrated, racist, and unknown outside Virginia; 5) tech-focused schools are going to rise in the rankings at the expense of many others. When you see these themes pounded again and again, they are the same poster. The point of this thread being Top 20 is to exclude UVA as a top school and then to call supporters “boosters and strivers.” These are common code words of this highly repetitive poster. Basically, the ranking threads are troll posts hoping to stir the pot and create animosity towards certain schools. Don’t fall for it.

T20 is typical reference for ranking of schools. T25 is seldom used.

People just naturally think in the multiples of 10.
If you look at the colleges list T25 makes much more sense.

No

Then why is law school referred to t14?

T20 makes sense because that’s the historical cut off before you hit the first publics

Exactly my point. T14 makes sense becasue substantial gap between 14th and 15th, but not much between 13th and 14th.

Not much gap between current T20 and schools like Emory Georgetown CMU USC etc.

However there's gap between these and other T30 schools like Wake Forest, UF, UCSB, UNC

So T25 make much more sense.

Sincere question: what metrics are you using to make this assertion? What data, or subjective program ratings, or ...?

For example, this forum taught me about the Poets and Quants site, and within that I learned a lot I didn't know specifically about business programs and ranking methodology (they're as scientific about that process as any endeavor I've seen). I'm also vaguely aware of how performance music programs are evaluated (Julliard, Berklee, etc).

So again, explain how to arrived at the conclusion that there's not much difference between a Vanderbilt (#14) and Georgetown (#23), while there is a substantial difference between a Tufts (#29) and a Georgetown (#23)

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between Top 20 and Top 25 is not meaningful. In fact, most rankings talk about the Top 25, so it’s a little curious why OP chose to make this thread about the Top 20. My guess is that OP is one of a small number or perhaps THE one who starts these contentious ranking threads. In time, they always devolve into the same arguments: 1) some Ivies are not REAL Ivies; 2) Columbia and Chicago are not as good as other top-rated schools; 3) schools ranked 14-25 are unworthy; 4) UVA is overrated, racist, and unknown outside Virginia; 5) tech-focused schools are going to rise in the rankings at the expense of many others. When you see these themes pounded again and again, they are the same poster. The point of this thread being Top 20 is to exclude UVA as a top school and then to call supporters “boosters and strivers.” These are common code words of this highly repetitive poster. Basically, the ranking threads are troll posts hoping to stir the pot and create animosity towards certain schools. Don’t fall for it.

T20 is typical reference for ranking of schools. T25 is seldom used.

People just naturally think in the multiples of 10.
If you look at the colleges list T25 makes much more sense.

No

Then why is law school referred to t14?

T20 makes sense because that’s the historical cut off before you hit the first publics

Exactly my point. T14 makes sense becasue substantial gap between 14th and 15th, but not much between 13th and 14th.

Not much gap between current T20 and schools like Emory Georgetown CMU USC etc.

However there's gap between these and other T30 schools like Wake Forest, UF, UCSB, UNC

So T25 make much more sense.

Sincere question: what metrics are you using to make this assertion? What data, or subjective program ratings, or ...?

For example, this forum taught me about the Poets and Quants site, and within that I learned a lot I didn't know specifically about business programs and ranking methodology (they're as scientific about that process as any endeavor I've seen). I'm also vaguely aware of how performance music programs are evaluated (Julliard, Berklee, etc).

So again, explain how to arrived at the conclusion that there's not much difference between a Vanderbilt (#14) and Georgetown (#23), while there is a substantial difference between a Tufts (#29) and a Georgetown (#23)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The difference between Top 20 and Top 25 is not meaningful. In fact, most rankings talk about the Top 25, so it’s a little curious why OP chose to make this thread about the Top 20. My guess is that OP is one of a small number or perhaps THE one who starts these contentious ranking threads. In time, they always devolve into the same arguments: 1) some Ivies are not REAL Ivies; 2) Columbia and Chicago are not as good as other top-rated schools; 3) schools ranked 14-25 are unworthy; 4) UVA is overrated, racist, and unknown outside Virginia; 5) tech-focused schools are going to rise in the rankings at the expense of many others. When you see these themes pounded again and again, they are the same poster. The point of this thread being Top 20 is to exclude UVA as a top school and then to call supporters “boosters and strivers.” These are common code words of this highly repetitive poster. Basically, the ranking threads are troll posts hoping to stir the pot and create animosity towards certain schools. Don’t fall for it.

T20 is typical reference for ranking of schools. T25 is seldom used.

People just naturally think in the multiples of 10.
If you look at the colleges list T25 makes much more sense.

No

Then why is law school referred to t14?

T20 makes sense because that’s the historical cut off before you hit the first publics

Exactly my point. T14 makes sense becasue substantial gap between 14th and 15th, but not much between 13th and 14th.

Not much gap between current T20 and schools like Emory Georgetown CMU USC etc.

However there's gap between these and other T30 schools like Wake Forest, UF, UCSB, UNC

So T25 make much more sense.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The difference between Top 20 and Top 25 is not meaningful. In fact, most rankings talk about the Top 25, so it’s a little curious why OP chose to make this thread about the Top 20. My guess is that OP is one of a small number or perhaps THE one who starts these contentious ranking threads. In time, they always devolve into the same arguments: 1) some Ivies are not REAL Ivies; 2) Columbia and Chicago are not as good as other top-rated schools; 3) schools ranked 14-25 are unworthy; 4) UVA is overrated, racist, and unknown outside Virginia; 5) tech-focused schools are going to rise in the rankings at the expense of many others. When you see these themes pounded again and again, they are the same poster. The point of this thread being Top 20 is to exclude UVA as a top school and then to call supporters “boosters and strivers.” These are common code words of this highly repetitive poster. Basically, the ranking threads are troll posts hoping to stir the pot and create animosity towards certain schools. Don’t fall for it.

T20 is typical reference for ranking of schools. T25 is seldom used.

People just naturally think in the multiples of 10.
If you look at the colleges list T25 makes much more sense.

No

Then why is law school referred to t14?

T20 makes sense because that’s the historical cut off before you hit the first publics

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.