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Anonymous wrote:Free free free. I want everything for me. I am a parent and you owe me that .

Yee haw!

You actually do owe me. We have no future without children.

Did you go to public school, PP?

DP but nope we sure don't. Posting the same question in bad faith about public school over and over again doesn't change that, unfortunately.

It’s actually on point. We, as American taxpayers, fully fund public school education from k thru 12 for the betterment of our society. Those of us comparing public school with daycare are exactly on point. Why public school and not daycare? It’s outdated thinking to say education starts at five. Learning starts at birth.

It’s a very apt comparison, PP. Even if you don’t send your kids to public school, you’re still paying for it.

Yes, we are paying for it, and we are paying for ENOUGH. Pay for your own childcare.

That doesn’t make sense, PP, any more than “pay for your own child’s elementary school or high school”. 5 is totally arbitrary. We were able to hire a nanny and now our kids are in private school but I have no issue paying taxes for public education or accredited daycare. The country does better with educated kids.

Oh please shut up. America is built on a system of counties, small towns, and cities - all of which deploy their own education system and share out spending based on the decisions of a very local population. While County A may spend $2 billion a year and 55% of its tax base on the school system, County B may only elect to spend $100 million and 10% of its tax base. That is up to them and you. We are not obligated to spend more because you don't want to spend a DIME educating or providing resources for your own children from the moment they are born. The rest of American society did not decide to have your child, you did. You can stop spending so much on your vacation funds and instead allocate that to daycare like sane human beings. The entitlement is unreal.

You shut up, fool. We aren’t obligated to educate anyone ever but we do because it’s in the best interest of our country. It’s the same with prek now and preschool.

I have no issues paying for what’s going to give us healthier, smarter kids. And I have all grown kids I stayed home with and paid to attend private schools so shut the f up on the “entitlement” crap.

What is wrong with you that you need to name call? You are wealthy and don't get it.

There are low cost ‘private’ schools across this country. One of my friend lives in the Mississippi Delta where the schooling is so bad she was forced to send her kids to small privates. It’s what the parents in places like Pittsburgh or Baltimore do as well.

All that to say - just because PP paid for a basic education for their kids makes them neither discerning nor wealthy. They could just live in a really depressed community with no investment at all in the current 15 years of schooling but somehow PP wants to stretch a thin pot further and make it 18.

The only low cost privates in this area are religious. And, many cannot afford that.

Since you are such a perfect grandma and concerned about child care, why don't you watch the grandkids?

Yeah, I live in Alexandria and something like Bishop Ireton is still 18,000 for the first child and that's if you are a Catholic.

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Anonymous wrote:Free free free. I want everything for me. I am a parent and you owe me that .

Yee haw!

You actually do owe me. We have no future without children.

Did you go to public school, PP?

DP but nope we sure don't. Posting the same question in bad faith about public school over and over again doesn't change that, unfortunately.

It’s actually on point. We, as American taxpayers, fully fund public school education from k thru 12 for the betterment of our society. Those of us comparing public school with daycare are exactly on point. Why public school and not daycare? It’s outdated thinking to say education starts at five. Learning starts at birth.

It’s a very apt comparison, PP. Even if you don’t send your kids to public school, you’re still paying for it.

K is when academics start. Birth-5 is day care. Big difference.

except birth-3 is the prime developmental foundation period. wtf.

This is what mother's should be doing!

Why? And how? The question of affordability aside, how many parents have college degrees in Early Childhood Development and can provide a stimulating atmosphere for a baby one to five years of age? What about socialization?

The simple fact is that the housewife-home-with-kids model has been proven not to be the best for brain development.

And “academics” start way before age five!

Since when do mother's need a degree in anything to be able to teach their children!? Two of my children graduated in the top ten percent of their class in both high school and The college and the third is a sophomore and on the Dean's List. I do not have a degree in Early Childhood Development. So, obviously, this degree is no needed. Let's be honest. There is no childcare crisis only lazy parents who care more about themselves than they do their children.

I agree, good mothers and fathers can teach their own children, they can provide socialization opportunities and everything else that early childcare provides. But unfortunately for a lot of kids, they didn’t win the parent lottery and their parents aren’t teaching them letters and colors, reading about the best way to discipline, teaching emotional regulation, providing lots of verbal stimulation and enrichment, etc. Society needs to care about what happens to those children, too. In fact the studies on early childhood development that show an advantage of daycare/preschool only show a difference for low income kids. It doesn’t actually make a difference for wealthy kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Free free free. I want everything for me. I am a parent and you owe me that .

Yee haw!

You actually do owe me. We have no future without children.

Did you go to public school, PP?

DP but nope we sure don't. Posting the same question in bad faith about public school over and over again doesn't change that, unfortunately.

It’s actually on point. We, as American taxpayers, fully fund public school education from k thru 12 for the betterment of our society. Those of us comparing public school with daycare are exactly on point. Why public school and not daycare? It’s outdated thinking to say education starts at five. Learning starts at birth.

It’s a very apt comparison, PP. Even if you don’t send your kids to public school, you’re still paying for it.

K is when academics start. Birth-5 is day care. Big difference.

except birth-3 is the prime developmental foundation period. wtf.

This is what mother's should be doing!

Why? And how? The question of affordability aside, how many parents have college degrees in Early Childhood Development and can provide a stimulating atmosphere for a baby one to five years of age? What about socialization?

The simple fact is that the housewife-home-with-kids model has been proven not to be the best for brain development.

And “academics” start way before age five!

Since when do mother's need a degree in anything to be able to teach their children!? Two of my children graduated in the top ten percent of their class in both high school and The college and the third is a sophomore and on the Dean's List. I do not have a degree in Early Childhood Development. So, obviously, this degree is no needed. Let's be honest. There is no childcare crisis only lazy parents who care more about themselves than they do their children.

You can’t say how much better off your kids would have been had you had a degree in ECD. Honestly. If you kept them engaged and learning. Your kids could have been smarter or happier or more creative or better problem solvers, etc. The more you know…

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Anonymous wrote:Free free free. I want everything for me. I am a parent and you owe me that .

Yee haw!

You actually do owe me. We have no future without children.

Did you go to public school, PP?

DP but nope we sure don't. Posting the same question in bad faith about public school over and over again doesn't change that, unfortunately.

It’s actually on point. We, as American taxpayers, fully fund public school education from k thru 12 for the betterment of our society. Those of us comparing public school with daycare are exactly on point. Why public school and not daycare? It’s outdated thinking to say education starts at five. Learning starts at birth.

It’s a very apt comparison, PP. Even if you don’t send your kids to public school, you’re still paying for it.

K is when academics start. Birth-5 is day care. Big difference.

except birth-3 is the prime developmental foundation period. wtf.

This is what mother's should be doing!

Why? And how? The question of affordability aside, how many parents have college degrees in Early Childhood Development and can provide a stimulating atmosphere for a baby one to five years of age? What about socialization?

The simple fact is that the housewife-home-with-kids model has been proven not to be the best for brain development.

And “academics” start way before age five!

Since when do mother's need a degree in anything to be able to teach their children!? Two of my children graduated in the top ten percent of their class in both high school and The college and the third is a sophomore and on the Dean's List. I do not have a degree in Early Childhood Development. So, obviously, this degree is no needed. Let's be honest. There is no childcare crisis only lazy parents who care more about themselves than they do their children.

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Anonymous wrote:No one should be living in or paying for a house greater than 1800 sq. feet. What a crock that you can't afford daycare if you are living in a 300sq ft house!

I live in a 1000 sq ft apartment. I can’t afford daycare. And before you scream “high COL area” — I live in an area with poor skills and pay $2500/mo for 2 bedrooms and 2 baths. I’m not living high on the highway here.

I mean you selected into the most expensive neighborhood or building in your area then. You live in a LCOL area but paying $2500 for 2 beds? Whose fault is that?

2,500 is pretty low, PP.

No, it is not. For a LCOL area. You can be paying a mortgage for $800/mo. $2,500/mo for a 2-bedroom apartment is the equivalent of a $450,000 house. Which gets you plenty of room in low-cost of living places.

Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas for instance is LCOL. Housing can be had for half the price of OPs apartment and an extra bedroom to boot.

https://www.redfin.com/PA/Pittsburgh/511-Edgewood-Rd-15221/home/74776442

https://www.redfin.com/PA/Pittsburgh/135-Saylong-Dr-15235/home/74603270

https://www.redfin.com/PA/Pittsburgh/110-Gardenview-Dr-15212/home/74464738

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Anonymous wrote:No one should be living in or paying for a house greater than 1800 sq. feet. What a crock that you can't afford daycare if you are living in a 300sq ft house!

I live in a 1000 sq ft apartment. I can’t afford daycare. And before you scream “high COL area” — I live in an area with poor skills and pay $2500/mo for 2 bedrooms and 2 baths. I’m not living high on the highway here.

I mean you selected into the most expensive neighborhood or building in your area then. You live in a LCOL area but paying $2500 for 2 beds? Whose fault is that?

I live in a LCOL area with a major metropolitan area, where I have to live to work. I could live in a more rural area, but would then have to own a car and pay $5/gallon to commute. $2500 near a major city in a safe but not highly desirable neighborhood, with public transportation into the city center, is pretty decent.

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Anonymous wrote:Free free free. I want everything for me. I am a parent and you owe me that .

Yee haw!

You actually do owe me. We have no future without children.

Did you go to public school, PP?

DP but nope we sure don't. Posting the same question in bad faith about public school over and over again doesn't change that, unfortunately.

It’s actually on point. We, as American taxpayers, fully fund public school education from k thru 12 for the betterment of our society. Those of us comparing public school with daycare are exactly on point. Why public school and not daycare? It’s outdated thinking to say education starts at five. Learning starts at birth.

It’s a very apt comparison, PP. Even if you don’t send your kids to public school, you’re still paying for it.

K is when academics start. Birth-5 is day care. Big difference.

except birth-3 is the prime developmental foundation period. wtf.

This is what mother's should be doing!

Why? And how? The question of affordability aside, how many parents have college degrees in Early Childhood Development and can provide a stimulating atmosphere for a baby one to five years of age? What about socialization?

The simple fact is that the housewife-home-with-kids model has been proven not to be the best for brain development.

And “academics” start way before age five!

Ok I’m a fully on board with subsidized daycare (the market doesn’t work otherwise) and universal PK. But this is a dumb argument. You don’t need a degree in early childhood education to take care of a 1 or 2 year old, and the “teaching” that kids need at this age is not academic. You need to be loving, attentive, and patient, and follow some basic expectations for providing helpful stimulation and environment for a baby toddler. This can be done in a daycare, with a nanny, with a parent, or with another adult relative. Let’s not act like you need a masters degree to care for a baby. It’s hard work but the best knowledge is experiential, not academic. And your best tools are actually socio-emotional, not intellectual.

And babies and toddlers benefit from being around other people but do not actually need peer socialization until 2 at the earliest (and most kids do great if they don’t get it until 3). It’s good to be around other kids (and adults, it’s just good to have plenty of human interaction), but you don’t need to start actively socializing them to play with one another until 3. That’s when their brain development necessitates it.

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Anonymous wrote:No one should be living in or paying for a house greater than 1800 sq. feet. What a crock that you can't afford daycare if you are living in a 300sq ft house!

I live in a 1000 sq ft apartment. I can’t afford daycare. And before you scream “high COL area” — I live in an area with poor skills and pay $2500/mo for 2 bedrooms and 2 baths. I’m not living high on the highway here.

I mean you selected into the most expensive neighborhood or building in your area then. You live in a LCOL area but paying $2500 for 2 beds? Whose fault is that?

2,500 is pretty low, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:No one should be living in or paying for a house greater than 1800 sq. feet. What a crock that you can't afford daycare if you are living in a 300sq ft house!

I live in a 1000 sq ft apartment. I can’t afford daycare. And before you scream “high COL area” — I live in an area with poor skills and pay $2500/mo for 2 bedrooms and 2 baths. I’m not living high on the highway here.

I mean you selected into the most expensive neighborhood or building in your area then. You live in a LCOL area but paying $2500 for 2 beds? Whose fault is that?

Anonymous wrote:No one should be living in or paying for a house greater than 1800 sq. feet. What a crock that you can't afford daycare if you are living in a 300sq ft house!

I live in a 1000 sq ft apartment. I can’t afford daycare. And before you scream “high COL area” — I live in an area with poor skills and pay $2500/mo for 2 bedrooms and 2 baths. I’m not living high on the highway here.

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Anonymous wrote:Free free free. I want everything for me. I am a parent and you owe me that .

Yee haw!

You actually do owe me. We have no future without children.

Did you go to public school, PP?

DP but nope we sure don't. Posting the same question in bad faith about public school over and over again doesn't change that, unfortunately.

It’s actually on point. We, as American taxpayers, fully fund public school education from k thru 12 for the betterment of our society. Those of us comparing public school with daycare are exactly on point. Why public school and not daycare? It’s outdated thinking to say education starts at five. Learning starts at birth.

It’s a very apt comparison, PP. Even if you don’t send your kids to public school, you’re still paying for it.

K is when academics start. Birth-5 is day care. Big difference.

except birth-3 is the prime developmental foundation period. wtf.

You realize the government should not be raising your kids, you should.

Teaching. Not raising. Is the government raising your five year to eighteen year old when you send them to school?

I think the biggest takeaway from this thread is seeing daycare as school.

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Anonymous wrote:Free free free. I want everything for me. I am a parent and you owe me that .

Yee haw!

You actually do owe me. We have no future without children.

Did you go to public school, PP?

DP but nope we sure don't. Posting the same question in bad faith about public school over and over again doesn't change that, unfortunately.

It’s actually on point. We, as American taxpayers, fully fund public school education from k thru 12 for the betterment of our society. Those of us comparing public school with daycare are exactly on point. Why public school and not daycare? It’s outdated thinking to say education starts at five. Learning starts at birth.

It’s a very apt comparison, PP. Even if you don’t send your kids to public school, you’re still paying for it.

K is when academics start. Birth-5 is day care. Big difference.

except birth-3 is the prime developmental foundation period. wtf.

This is what mother's should be doing!

Why? And how? The question of affordability aside, how many parents have college degrees in Early Childhood Development and can provide a stimulating atmosphere for a baby one to five years of age? What about socialization?

The simple fact is that the housewife-home-with-kids model has been proven not to be the best for brain development.

And “academics” start way before age five!

err, 3000 sq ft

No one should be living in or paying for a house greater than 1800 sq. feet. What a crock that you can't afford daycare if you are living in a 300sq ft house!

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Anonymous wrote:Free free free. I want everything for me. I am a parent and you owe me that .

Yee haw!

You actually do owe me. We have no future without children.

Did you go to public school, PP?

DP but nope we sure don't. Posting the same question in bad faith about public school over and over again doesn't change that, unfortunately.

It’s actually on point. We, as American taxpayers, fully fund public school education from k thru 12 for the betterment of our society. Those of us comparing public school with daycare are exactly on point. Why public school and not daycare? It’s outdated thinking to say education starts at five. Learning starts at birth.

It’s a very apt comparison, PP. Even if you don’t send your kids to public school, you’re still paying for it.

K is when academics start. Birth-5 is day care. Big difference.

except birth-3 is the prime developmental foundation period. wtf.

This is what mother's should be doing!