Anonymous wrote:When are the letters suppose to come? I have read two different things. One said between July15-July 20 and another said the very end of July. Do any of you know for sure when we should start checking our mailboxes?

Per the letter that we got in our denial, it stated that if we appeal the decision will be mailed in June. So I am hoping it would be before the school closing for summer break.

When are the letters suppose to come? I have read two different things. One said between July15-July 20 and another said the very end of July. Do any of you know for sure when we should start checking our mailboxes?

I posted this on the other thread but will post it here too. This is a technical report for the WISC-IV that shows the typical scoring profile of gifted groups vs. control groups. I have to believe the appeals committee is familiar with the research showing that gifted groups score lower (FSIQ 124) on the WISC-IV than in prior versions of the WISC. Keeping my fingers crossed for all of the anxious appealers! Warm wishes for all your kids!

http://www.pearsonassessments.com/hai/Images/pdf/wisciv/WISCIVTechReport3.pdf

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, but my concern is low GBRS 7 her DRA is 30. Let's hope with high Wisc may be they will consider her this time. Her psychologist was really surprised about her GBRS. She asked me not to mention anything about GBRS in the cover letter. The FCPS committee knows that it's very subjective. Any suggestion?

My daughter also has a low GBRS of 9 but her WISC is 135. The dr who tested her stated she is a quiet gifted child who is being overloooked and possibly withdrawing. The dr also stated that quiet gifted kids usually do not like the normal classroom teaching of worksheets and rote material over and over so they do what is necessary and can possibly not show their true potential. She said that is probably the reason for the low GBRS. I alos know that my daughter's 2nd grade classroom is also out of control and they get nothing done. My daughter is so bored and comes home very frustrated because they do things over and over because the class is so out of control. I have heard stories from her about the class getting in trouble in all specials and lunch. I have also asked my daughter if she ever talks to her teacher and tries to tell her things and she states that her teacher just tells her to go sit down and do her work. They haven't done reading groups since February because the class gets too out of control.

If you have appealed in previous years, please post scores. If you are waiting, please post when your letters come in later this summer. It's going to be a long summer here!

How many of you have gone throught the appeals process?If so could you post what your scores were and your GBRS. Also if you were accepted or denied. Thanks

Isn't some of this discussion related to the reasoning behind why they changed the name of the program from GT to AAP?

Surely there are not nearly as many truly GIFTED children as there are children who would benefit from an advanced curriculum.

My child is not GIFTED -- not testing in the 99%, not a future super-genius -- however, she is bright, tests in the top 6%, reads way ahead of grade level, focuses well, and catches on to new concepts quickly.

I'm still hoping that she gets into the program because I believe it would be a good fit for her.

Anonymous wrote:PP: given that about 1/2 the admitted kids are parental referrals, that means that 1/2 the kids have scores under 130. Period.

Another way to look at it is the average IQ is 100. 130 is about the 97th percentile. 15% of FCPS elementry students are AAP...While it is possible (likely) that FCPS kids are, on average, smarter, 15 percent do no have IQ's over 130. Maybe 5 or 6%.

It is the old tradeoff between hard work and smarts. Without hard work, the genius does not accomplish much.

Anotherway to look at it is the average PHD's IQ is about 120.

I think approx. 70% of in-pool kids are admitted, and about 50% of out-of-pool kids are.

Pp here: what we know is 13% of kids are in the pool. Approximately 15% of 3rd graders are in aap. If 60% of pool kids are accepted and attend, then 7.8% of the kids in fcps were in pool and admitted...so about 7.2% of the county were parental referrals and admitted, or just under 50% of aap kids are not in pool.

Being in pool means one subtest is above 130. So, 131 on one section of the cogat, with 100 on all other subtests will be in pool. Whereas a child with 125 on all tests will not be in pool.

10% in one subtest.

There was an article on fcag (that I can not find). It was from last summer, and show the number of in pool vs out of pool. The only real difference was in pool had higher test scores, out of pool(on average) had one more point in gbrs. In pool had a 50 or 60% acceptance rate, out of pool was 40 or 50%.

I do not remember the details

Wait a minute -- I never heard that half of the AAP kids are out-of-pool parent referrals. I have heard that upwards of 10% of our county kids score in the 97th national percentile. Can anyone clarify? I'm so confused . . .

PP: given that about 1/2 the admitted kids are parental referrals, that means that 1/2 the kids have scores under 130. Period.

Another way to look at it is the average IQ is 100. 130 is about the 97th percentile. 15% of FCPS elementry students are AAP...While it is possible (likely) that FCPS kids are, on average, smarter, 15 percent do no have IQ's over 130. Maybe 5 or 6%.

It is the old tradeoff between hard work and smarts. Without hard work, the genius does not accomplish much.

Anotherway to look at it is the average PHD's IQ is about 120.

I am heartened to hear that a child with a WISC less than 130 was actually deemed eligible for AAP. You may be the only parent in Fairfax County willing to admit this. It seems like everyone on this Board has a child in the 99th percentile that is barely eeking into the program. What gives? Are there really THAT many kids in this area hitting the ceiling on these IQ tests? I would really like to know if moderately gifted kids with WISC scores in the 125-130 range are getting in.

I did not mean to imply you can prep for the wis

I don't think that there is any materiel to prep your child for Wisc. It's only general knowledge. How it's possible to prep for that??