How typical of Americans to struggle mightily with critical thinking. Here, let me help you all out.

1. Ukraine has a massive Neo-Nazi and white supremacist problem. Neo-Nazis and white supremacists fill its armed forces and legislature. They have popular support. It is a long-standing and has been well documented and anyone pretending otherwise is either ill-informed (and needs to shut up) or a propaganda-disseminating troll.

Excellent write-up of the issue from today: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

The NY Times from four days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.html

The Nation in 2019: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/tnamp/

Guardian in 2014: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis


2. America and the EU are denying Ukraine‘s Neo-Nazi problem because it does not dovetail with their deification of Zelensky and Ukraine. They’re probably also concerned that people like those posting in this thread cannot comprehend that it is possible for bad people to exist on both sides of an issue. So, they have simplified the situation into goodies versus baddies for the TV watchers who cannot handle reality.

3. Russia, too, has a massive problem with Neo-Nazis and white supremacists. A significant portion of Russia’s arm forces too consists of white supremacists. Putin is a monster.

4. In conclusion, white supremacists are about to fight each other. One set of white supremacists (Russians) illegally invaded another set of white supremacists’ country (Ukraine). One set of white supremacists (Russia) is also a much bigger threat to the west than the other set of white supremacists (Ukraine). So, the West supports Ukraine. The end.

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Anonymous wrote:Another thing that is a true.
Ukraine has a major problem with bro Nazi in government and military. This was widely reported well before the current conflict.

Yes Russia is also guilty of widespread neo Nazi support so they are hypocritical here and just as bad but they aren't wrong about this either.

Don't believe me look up Azov Battalion specifically articles from before the last 2 weeks

This was already brought up in this same thread pages before. One wrong does not make a right, no? It is not about a few groups of people that are reprehensible. Every single person should know that Ukrainians joined Nazi killing squads in WW2. Joined them, cheered them, etc. One should know that Stalin also killed millions of Ukrainians, killed Jews, killed Russians and other ethnic groups en masse.
What does that matter though? Every country has done reprehensible things. Look at us, no?
Just bcs there are evil actors in every country does not make the invasion of a country ok?
What does bother me, is that the similar hatred was not shown when the U.S. invaded Iraq. Both acts, Russian and the U.S. are wrong, both are invasions, but somehow the U.S. was not vilified as much. Or at all. Is it bcs Iraq is not in Europe?
That is bcs the U.S. is that powerful that it controls much of the narratives in the world media. Regardless, invasion of Iraq does not make it ok for Russia to invade Ukraine.

The US was not vilified as much because they did not deliberately target innocent people. Why is that so hard for you to admit?

I’m not answerable to you, my dear. I said what I said and if you struggle to comprehend, please call your local school for further assistance.

Bla bla blah

Sorry, it was brought up in the main Ukraine thread.

Anonymous wrote:Another thing that is a true.
Ukraine has a major problem with bro Nazi in government and military. This was widely reported well before the current conflict.

Yes Russia is also guilty of widespread neo Nazi support so they are hypocritical here and just as bad but they aren't wrong about this either.

Don't believe me look up Azov Battalion specifically articles from before the last 2 weeks

This was already brought up in this same thread pages before. One wrong does not make a right, no? It is not about a few groups of people that are reprehensible. Every single person should know that Ukrainians joined Nazi killing squads in WW2. Joined them, cheered them, etc. One should know that Stalin also killed millions of Ukrainians, killed Jews, killed Russians and other ethnic groups en masse.
What does that matter though? Every country has done reprehensible things. Look at us, no?
Just bcs there are evil actors in every country does not make the invasion of a country ok?
What does bother me, is that the similar hatred was not shown when the U.S. invaded Iraq. Both acts, Russian and the U.S. are wrong, both are invasions, but somehow the U.S. was not vilified as much. Or at all. Is it bcs Iraq is not in Europe?
That is bcs the U.S. is that powerful that it controls much of the narratives in the world media. Regardless, invasion of Iraq does not make it ok for Russia to invade Ukraine.

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Serves us right for caring in the first place. The brown and Black people of the world have no horse in this race. Thoughts and prayers and back to my regularly scheduled programming.

Ok, maybe you can explain your views further -

if you say that black and brown people don't care nor should care about white people's problems (because apparently skin color trumps any other group or cultural alignments), then surely you must also accept the other side of the same coin as understandable and 'okay' - that white people wouldn't and shouldn't care about black and brown people?

To go further, if both are true, then what is your issue with Ukrainians supposedly pushing POCs to the back of the line?

Or are you saying that you came to the conclusion that black and brown people shouldn't care about Russian-Ukraine war because you either don't see their different roles in this war or don't care only yesterday, and these particular videos and tweets, in fact, changed your world view?

Don’t feed the Russian trolls

Anonymous wrote:

Serves us right for caring in the first place. The brown and Black people of the world have no horse in this race. Thoughts and prayers and back to my regularly scheduled programming.

Ok, maybe you can explain your views further -

if you say that black and brown people don't care nor should care about white people's problems (because apparently skin color trumps any other group or cultural alignments), then surely you must also accept the other side of the same coin as understandable and 'okay' - that white people wouldn't and shouldn't care about black and brown people?

To go further, if both are true, then what is your issue with Ukrainians supposedly pushing POCs to the back of the line?

Or are you saying that you came to the conclusion that black and brown people shouldn't care about Russian-Ukraine war because you either don't see their different roles in this war or don't care only yesterday, and these particular videos and tweets, in fact, changed your world view?

I’m not answerable to you, my dear. I said what I said and if you struggle to comprehend, please call your local school for further assistance.

Serves us right for caring in the first place. The brown and Black people of the world have no horse in this race. Thoughts and prayers and back to my regularly scheduled programming.

Ok, maybe you can explain your views further -

if you say that black and brown people don't care nor should care about white people's problems (because apparently skin color trumps any other group or cultural alignments), then surely you must also accept the other side of the same coin as understandable and 'okay' - that white people wouldn't and shouldn't care about black and brown people?

To go further, if both are true, then what is your issue with Ukrainians supposedly pushing POCs to the back of the line?

Or are you saying that you came to the conclusion that black and brown people shouldn't care about Russian-Ukraine war because you either don't see their different roles in this war or don't care only yesterday, and these particular videos and tweets, in fact, changed your world view?

Anonymous wrote:Another thing that is a true.
Ukraine has a major problem with bro Nazi in government and military. This was widely reported well before the current conflict.

Yes Russia is also guilty of widespread neo Nazi support so they are hypocritical here and just as bad but they aren't wrong about this either.

Don't believe me look up Azov Battalion specifically articles from before the last 2 weeks

That doesn't justify the slaughter of civilians and children that is happening now, so why do you bring it up?

Another thing that is a true.
Ukraine has a major problem with bro Nazi in government and military. This was widely reported well before the current conflict.

Yes Russia is also guilty of widespread neo Nazi support so they are hypocritical here and just as bad but they aren't wrong about this either.

Don't believe me look up Azov Battalion specifically articles from before the last 2 weeks

Anonymous wrote:The stories were not exaggerated.

Yes it was as used as Russian propaganda as well
But it did happen and do many of you were quick to dismiss it, and now have egg on your face

In the coming days, weeks, and months I suggest you do thorough research before proclaiming x is true or y is a lie.

I don't doubt the stories could be true, but that's some soldiers in their military, while you're smearing the entire country, without distinguishing the innocent civilians, and children, who are being murdered for no reason.

Then she tweets her PayPal account

The stories were not exaggerated.

Yes it was as used as Russian propaganda as well
But it did happen and do many of you were quick to dismiss it, and now have egg on your face

In the coming days, weeks, and months I suggest you do thorough research before proclaiming x is true or y is a lie.

Anonymous wrote:Many athletes of all colors are stuck in Ukraine attempting to make their way out of the country.

The lucky ones flew out a couple of days before fighting started.

Many ethnic Ukrainians refugees are also stuck, stranded and struggling to escape. They are under siege, roads and bridges are destroyed, there are checkpoints and military blockades. Everything is disrupted. Everyone is struggling.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's talk about who the real Nazis are, shall we?
This is Dimitri Utkin, head of Wagner Group, a private mercenary group with close ties to Putin. These guys do a lot of Putin's dirty work. They were known for grotesque brutality and beheadings in Syria.

See those tattoos on Utkin? They are real, and they include a Nazi Reichsadler and Nazi SS images. He named his private military firm "Wagner" after Hitler's favorite composer.
Right now, Wager Group has 400 assassins in the area of Kiev attempting to hunt down and kill the Jewish President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky.


Sit down and STFU if you're going to be pro-Putin and cast aspersions on anyone else. SIT THE FCK DOWN AND SHUT THE FCK UP.

+1 million. Putin apologists should understand who exactly they are backing.

Op here. Nobody is supporting Putin and Ukrainians are being racist.
More succinctly Putin is a racist pos and the Ukrainians are racist.
Fill better?

This whole story was built up, grossly distorted and amplified by disingenuous concern-trolling pro-Putin propagandists in order to try and smear Ukraine. At best, you might not be pro-Putin but you definitely unwittingly played right into it.