Anonymous
02/14/2022 14:52
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The messages to Chloe Kim are terrible!
I don't understand the backlash over the NYT article. Why it is offensive to say Asian Americans are over-represented in figure skating if that is indeed a factual statement? It is the same thing as if someone said Black Americans are overrepresented in the NFL or Male Americans are over-represented in technology companies or Elderly Americans are over-represented in the Presidency.
How should it be worded appropriately to say that a certain group holds proportion of the group that is more than what is seen in the general population?
"Over-represented" is not a neutral word. They should have found a better term.
Such as ?
Such as not focusing on race. Are blacks over-represented in basketball? In football? F*ck you racist hypocrites.
Yes? I literally used an example of how black athletes are over represented in the NFL in my original comment, did you read that?
But by the way I completely agree with you that there should be less focus on race and identity politics in general. However, I do not think it is constructive to criticize fact based statements as racism. There will always be both over representation and under representation in all elements of US society because 100% perfect representation of the populace is nearly impossible. Organizations like the NYT seem to be hyper focused on some theoretical idea of perfect representation in all elements of society which is very divisive in my opinion.
No need to curse at strangers on the internet, maybe try to calm down and find allies instead of jumping to conclusions.
I agree the cursing isn't helpful. But "overrepresented" is not a neutral term in the world of DEI, and Asian Americans are getting fed up with the bias against Asian American success and the double standards when it comes to race.
The media couldn't even celebrate properly when Michelle Wu became Boston's first person of color to become mayor. Like, this was one of the first articles: https://www.npr.org/2021/11/16/1055972179/boston-first-black-mayor. Asian Americans are the most underrepresented group when it comes to politics, so why is the NPR treating Wu's election as if it were some kind of tragedy?
Then you have what's going on in magnet schools and elite colleges across the US. Asian Americans are often described as "overrepresented" in these schools. That word keeps getting used over and over to justify discrimination against Asian Americans, so Asian Americans have gotten sensitive to the word.
As for the article, "overrepresented" carries the connotation that in an ideal world there would be fewer Asian Americans in ice skating. A publication like the New York Times should know better. I'm sure there's a better way of saying there are a lot of Asian Americans who like to ice skate now.
Yes, I understand it sounds frustrating when the accomplishments of Asian Americans do not get the same amount of celebration in the media as those in other minority groups and there is blatant anti-Asian discrimination going on in schools. But attacking semantics and facts as being "racist" is not a productive way to draw awareness to these real problems.
I happen to be part of a certain minority group that is often criticized and ridiculed for being over-represented in a particular job field. It is true, and it's not racist for people to point out this disparity. Some people want to change the entry criteria to accommodate more of the under-represented groups. While I strongly disagree their beliefs that the standards for this job field should change, it doesn't change the reality that they are in fact under-represented compared to overall population. To me the issue is that people infer value judgements (on being over/under represented) that imply that there is inherent fairness and value in striving for perfectly even representation of society when that is not the case.
Anonymous
02/14/2022 13:47
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gu is basically a traitor. If she hasn’t given up her US citizenship, it should be revoked.
Please stop use, wear, eat, or touch anything made in China. Including the free covid test kits and KN95 masks the government purchased and imported from China, using your tax dollar.
Please throw away your iphone, ipad, your laptop, your TV immediately. Please where your shoes, socks, and underwear were made.
What does using products from another country have to do with someone getting citizenship in another country to compete for them in the Olympics?
There are a lots of athletes who are us citizens represent other countries. No one asks other athletes to give up there us citizenship. Why Gu?
People claim that she supports a dictatorship, but we all do. Buying everything from China enables its government to slave its citizens, to bully other countries, to seize freedoms in HK. Soon it may invade Taiwan.
I think there are subtle racisms at play.
I have no doubt racism is at play.
Just look at Chloe Kim: https://people.com/sports/chloe-kim-says-she-gets-hundreds-of-racist-messages-monthly-opens-up-about-anti-asian-attacks/
Here's a quote:
"People belittled my accomplishment because I was Asian," Kim said. "There were messages in my DMs telling me to go back to China and to stop taking medals away from the white American girls on the team. I was so proud of my accomplishment, but instead I was sobbing in bed next to my mom, asking her, 'Why are people being so mean because I'm Asian?'"
She gets dozens of racist messages a day, and she's been getting them since she was 13. She's been winning golds for the USA, and yet she feels she needs to walk around with tasers, pepper spray and a knife.
The same racism that makes Chloe Kim fear for her safety is the same racism that's magnifying the backlash against Gu.
Reminds me of when Stephen Smith said it was bad for Ohtani to be the face of baseball: https://twitter.com/arashmarkazi/status/1414645250581090304?lang=en
A lot of people in America do not like seeing Asians or Asian Americans succeed, and they are nasty about it.
And New York Times recently argued that Asians are over-presented in figure skating, right before Nathan Chan got the Gold medal.
https://deadline.com/2022/02/new-york-times-gets-backlash-for-asian-american-figure-skating-overrepresented-article-1234932425/
Imagine if you wrote an oped saying:
Jews (2%) are overrepresented in scotus (33%), Ivy League (20%), us senate (10%), Biden cabinet (7/25 members), federal reserve chairs (everyone before powell and after volcker)…..
I wonder if Sulzberger at NyT would run that since it’s talking about his people
Anonymous
02/14/2022 13:38
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous
02/14/2022 13:30
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:So Nathan Chen, after winning gold, is being savaged on Chinese social media for being a traitor and the like.
Looks like the harpies on Beijing Urban Mom are just as savage and vile as those on DCUM.
Wait, Nathan Chen was born and raised in China? I had no idea!
Anonymous
02/14/2022 13:10
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The messages to Chloe Kim are terrible!
I don't understand the backlash over the NYT article. Why it is offensive to say Asian Americans are over-represented in figure skating if that is indeed a factual statement? It is the same thing as if someone said Black Americans are overrepresented in the NFL or Male Americans are over-represented in technology companies or Elderly Americans are over-represented in the Presidency.
How should it be worded appropriately to say that a certain group holds proportion of the group that is more than what is seen in the general population?
"Over-represented" is not a neutral word. They should have found a better term.
Such as ?
Such as not focusing on race. Are blacks over-represented in basketball? In football? F*ck you racist hypocrites.
Yes? I literally used an example of how black athletes are over represented in the NFL in my original comment, did you read that?
But by the way I completely agree with you that there should be less focus on race and identity politics in general. However, I do not think it is constructive to criticize fact based statements as racism. There will always be both over representation and under representation in all elements of US society because 100% perfect representation of the populace is nearly impossible. Organizations like the NYT seem to be hyper focused on some theoretical idea of perfect representation in all elements of society which is very divisive in my opinion.
No need to curse at strangers on the internet, maybe try to calm down and find allies instead of jumping to conclusions.
I agree the cursing isn't helpful. But "overrepresented" is not a neutral term in the world of DEI, and Asian Americans are getting fed up with the bias against Asian American success and the double standards when it comes to race.
The media couldn't even celebrate properly when Michelle Wu became Boston's first person of color to become mayor. Like, this was one of the first articles: https://www.npr.org/2021/11/16/1055972179/boston-first-black-mayor. Asian Americans are the most underrepresented group when it comes to politics, so why is the NPR treating Wu's election as if it were some kind of tragedy?
Then you have what's going on in magnet schools and elite colleges across the US. Asian Americans are often described as "overrepresented" in these schools. That word keeps getting used over and over to justify discrimination against Asian Americans, so Asian Americans have gotten sensitive to the word.
As for the article, "overrepresented" carries the connotation that in an ideal world there would be fewer Asian Americans in ice skating. A publication like the New York Times should know better. I'm sure there's a better way of saying there are a lot of Asian Americans who like to ice skate now.
Anonymous
02/14/2022 12:08
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:So Nathan Chen, after winning gold, is being savaged on Chinese social media for being a traitor and the like.
Looks like the harpies on Beijing Urban Mom are just as savage and vile as those on DCUM.
Nathan Chen used a sensitive song in one of his skating routines in the past and has spoken up about what's going on in Xinjiang.
I'm not saying what's going on in Xinjiang is excusable, but many Chinese citizens aren't exactly neutral on the issue.
It'd be like if a USA descendent from another country criticized something about America, let's say for example gun violence, and also used a song from a movie that was critical of America.
I guarantee a lot of people from America would be trashing him online.
They weren't hating on him just because he was an ABC.
Anonymous
02/14/2022 10:40
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The messages to Chloe Kim are terrible!
I don't understand the backlash over the NYT article. Why it is offensive to say Asian Americans are over-represented in figure skating if that is indeed a factual statement? It is the same thing as if someone said Black Americans are overrepresented in the NFL or Male Americans are over-represented in technology companies or Elderly Americans are over-represented in the Presidency.
How should it be worded appropriately to say that a certain group holds proportion of the group that is more than what is seen in the general population?
"Over-represented" is not a neutral word. They should have found a better term.
Such as ?
Such as not focusing on race. Are blacks over-represented in basketball? In football? F*ck you racist hypocrites.
Yes? I literally used an example of how black athletes are over represented in the NFL in my original comment, did you read that?
But by the way I completely agree with you that there should be less focus on race and identity politics in general. However, I do not think it is constructive to criticize fact based statements as racism. There will always be both over representation and under representation in all elements of US society because 100% perfect representation of the populace is nearly impossible. Organizations like the NYT seem to be hyper focused on some theoretical idea of perfect representation in all elements of society which is very divisive in my opinion.
No need to curse at strangers on the internet, maybe try to calm down and find allies instead of jumping to conclusions.
Anonymous
02/14/2022 10:23
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The messages to Chloe Kim are terrible!
I don't understand the backlash over the NYT article. Why it is offensive to say Asian Americans are over-represented in figure skating if that is indeed a factual statement? It is the same thing as if someone said Black Americans are overrepresented in the NFL or Male Americans are over-represented in technology companies or Elderly Americans are over-represented in the Presidency.
How should it be worded appropriately to say that a certain group holds proportion of the group that is more than what is seen in the general population?
"Over-represented" is not a neutral word. They should have found a better term.
Such as ?
Such as not focusing on race. Are blacks over-represented in basketball? In football? F*ck you racist hypocrites.
Anonymous
02/14/2022 10:20
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:So Nathan Chen, after winning gold, is being savaged on Chinese social media for being a traitor and the like.
Looks like the harpies on Beijing Urban Mom are just as savage and vile as those on DCUM.
Well, everyone is free to have their opinions on things, but it seems pretty odd of the Beijing Urban moms to complain about an American citizen who was born and raised in the US.
Regarding the US citizens who then go on to compete for another nation, it is not something that I would do, but it is their right to do so and indicates what their priorities are and are not.
Anonymous
02/14/2022 10:03
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
The US always emphasized individualism and taking opportunities. They took theirs even if under another country’s flag.
Anonymous
02/14/2022 09:55
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
So Nathan Chen, after winning gold, is being savaged on Chinese social media for being a traitor and the like.
Looks like the harpies on Beijing Urban Mom are just as savage and vile as those on DCUM.
Looks like the harpies on Beijing Urban Mom are just as savage and vile as those on DCUM.
Anonymous
02/14/2022 09:39
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The messages to Chloe Kim are terrible!
I don't understand the backlash over the NYT article. Why it is offensive to say Asian Americans are over-represented in figure skating if that is indeed a factual statement? It is the same thing as if someone said Black Americans are overrepresented in the NFL or Male Americans are over-represented in technology companies or Elderly Americans are over-represented in the Presidency.
How should it be worded appropriately to say that a certain group holds proportion of the group that is more than what is seen in the general population?
"Over-represented" is not a neutral word. They should have found a better term.
Such as ?
Anonymous
02/14/2022 09:38
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:
The messages to Chloe Kim are terrible!
I don't understand the backlash over the NYT article. Why it is offensive to say Asian Americans are over-represented in figure skating if that is indeed a factual statement? It is the same thing as if someone said Black Americans are overrepresented in the NFL or Male Americans are over-represented in technology companies or Elderly Americans are over-represented in the Presidency.
How should it be worded appropriately to say that a certain group holds proportion of the group that is more than what is seen in the general population?
"Over-represented" is not a neutral word. They should have found a better term.
Anonymous
02/14/2022 09:34
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gu is basically a traitor. If she hasn’t given up her US citizenship, it should be revoked.
Please stop use, wear, eat, or touch anything made in China. Including the free covid test kits and KN95 masks the government purchased and imported from China, using your tax dollar.
Please throw away your iphone, ipad, your laptop, your TV immediately. Please where your shoes, socks, and underwear were made.
What does using products from another country have to do with someone getting citizenship in another country to compete for them in the Olympics?
There are a lots of athletes who are us citizens represent other countries. No one asks other athletes to give up there us citizenship. Why Gu?
People claim that she supports a dictatorship, but we all do. Buying everything from China enables its government to slave its citizens, to bully other countries, to seize freedoms in HK. Soon it may invade Taiwan.
I think there are subtle racisms at play.
I have no doubt racism is at play.
Just look at Chloe Kim: https://people.com/sports/chloe-kim-says-she-gets-hundreds-of-racist-messages-monthly-opens-up-about-anti-asian-attacks/
Here's a quote:
"People belittled my accomplishment because I was Asian," Kim said. "There were messages in my DMs telling me to go back to China and to stop taking medals away from the white American girls on the team. I was so proud of my accomplishment, but instead I was sobbing in bed next to my mom, asking her, 'Why are people being so mean because I'm Asian?'"
She gets dozens of racist messages a day, and she's been getting them since she was 13. She's been winning golds for the USA, and yet she feels she needs to walk around with tasers, pepper spray and a knife.
The same racism that makes Chloe Kim fear for her safety is the same racism that's magnifying the backlash against Gu.
Reminds me of when Stephen Smith said it was bad for Ohtani to be the face of baseball: https://twitter.com/arashmarkazi/status/1414645250581090304?lang=en
A lot of people in America do not like seeing Asians or Asian Americans succeed, and they are nasty about it.
And New York Times recently argued that Asians are over-presented in figure skating, right before Nathan Chan got the Gold medal.
https://deadline.com/2022/02/new-york-times-gets-backlash-for-asian-american-figure-skating-overrepresented-article-1234932425/
The messages to Chloe Kim are terrible!
I don't understand the backlash over the NYT article. Why it is offensive to say Asian Americans are over-represented in figure skating if that is indeed a factual statement? It is the same thing as if someone said Black Americans are overrepresented in the NFL or Male Americans are over-represented in technology companies or Elderly Americans are over-represented in the Presidency.
How should it be worded appropriately to say that a certain group holds proportion of the group that is more than what is seen in the general population?
Asian Americans have been targeted for over representation in magnet programs in MC, in TJ in Fairfax, in test in schools in NYC. In stead of celebrating their achievements, school districts, local governments and politicians want to correct the over representation by changing admission policy to limit the numbers of Asian American students in these programs. Soon some white-sports officials will alter the game to allow more white athletes to be in figure skating. It happened in MCPS and TJ.
Ok? I am well aware of the anti Asian discrimination that is occurring in NYC and VA schools and elite universities and vehemently oppose it.
I’m unclear as to how claiming factual statements are racist will address this very serious problem.
Anonymous
02/14/2022 08:10
Subject: Hypocrite athletes living in the US and competing for other countries
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gu is basically a traitor. If she hasn’t given up her US citizenship, it should be revoked.
Please stop use, wear, eat, or touch anything made in China. Including the free covid test kits and KN95 masks the government purchased and imported from China, using your tax dollar.
Please throw away your iphone, ipad, your laptop, your TV immediately. Please where your shoes, socks, and underwear were made.
What does using products from another country have to do with someone getting citizenship in another country to compete for them in the Olympics?
There are a lots of athletes who are us citizens represent other countries. No one asks other athletes to give up there us citizenship. Why Gu?
People claim that she supports a dictatorship, but we all do. Buying everything from China enables its government to slave its citizens, to bully other countries, to seize freedoms in HK. Soon it may invade Taiwan.
I think there are subtle racisms at play.
I have no doubt racism is at play.
Just look at Chloe Kim: https://people.com/sports/chloe-kim-says-she-gets-hundreds-of-racist-messages-monthly-opens-up-about-anti-asian-attacks/
Here's a quote:
"People belittled my accomplishment because I was Asian," Kim said. "There were messages in my DMs telling me to go back to China and to stop taking medals away from the white American girls on the team. I was so proud of my accomplishment, but instead I was sobbing in bed next to my mom, asking her, 'Why are people being so mean because I'm Asian?'"
She gets dozens of racist messages a day, and she's been getting them since she was 13. She's been winning golds for the USA, and yet she feels she needs to walk around with tasers, pepper spray and a knife.
The same racism that makes Chloe Kim fear for her safety is the same racism that's magnifying the backlash against Gu.
Reminds me of when Stephen Smith said it was bad for Ohtani to be the face of baseball: https://twitter.com/arashmarkazi/status/1414645250581090304?lang=en
A lot of people in America do not like seeing Asians or Asian Americans succeed, and they are nasty about it.
And New York Times recently argued that Asians are over-presented in figure skating, right before Nathan Chan got the Gold medal.
https://deadline.com/2022/02/new-york-times-gets-backlash-for-asian-american-figure-skating-overrepresented-article-1234932425/
The messages to Chloe Kim are terrible!
I don't understand the backlash over the NYT article. Why it is offensive to say Asian Americans are over-represented in figure skating if that is indeed a factual statement? It is the same thing as if someone said Black Americans are overrepresented in the NFL or Male Americans are over-represented in technology companies or Elderly Americans are over-represented in the Presidency.
How should it be worded appropriately to say that a certain group holds proportion of the group that is more than what is seen in the general population?
Asian Americans have been targeted for over representation in magnet programs in MC, in TJ in Fairfax, in test in schools in NYC. In stead of celebrating their achievements, school districts, local governments and politicians want to correct the over representation by changing admission policy to limit the numbers of Asian American students in these programs. Soon some white-sports officials will alter the game to allow more white athletes to be in figure skating. It happened in MCPS and TJ.