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Anonymous wrote:DP. No one said that Dartmouth and Brown are LACs. Both schools proclaim themselves as liberal arts colleges.

Oh yeah? Where is that, exactly?

https://home.dartmouth.edu/about
Says "Liberal Arts at the Core" which does NOT mean it is an LAC - if it does then so is Columbia. https://bulletin.columbia.edu/columbia-college/core-curriculum/

Dartmouth also says this "More than 75 centers and institutes offer expanded learning and research in areas as diverse as medicine, the arts, engineering, and business. Many are interdisciplinary and bring together faculty and students from across campus to work on complex issues."

https://www.brown.edu/academics
Brown is a leading research university and the seventh-oldest college in the U.S.

You don't even know what a liberal arts college is. You know that nearly every university in the country contains one, right? So, bullshit.

Anonymous wrote:I don't even know about Brown because it is a complete non-entity in academia.

This is some nuclear-grade stupid.

As of November 2019, nine Nobel Prize winners have been affiliated with Brown as alumni, faculty, or researchers, as well as seven National Humanities Medalists and ten National Medal of Science laureates.

https://www.brown.edu/academics/physics/news/2016/10/professor-michael-kosterlitz-awarded-2016-nobel-prize-physics#
https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2021/11/brown-alum-wins-nobel-memorial-prize-in-economics-sciences

So many more but I will stop and repeat that you are an embittered idiot.

Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline. Both schools emphasize their undergraduate and liberal arts focus. Again, who called either school an LAC and why are you so angry?

I am angry because I hate stupid, and this idea is stupid and it has been said here before, probably by the same hater of both schools. And it is not objectively delivered stupid, it is intended to be pejorative.

Calling a school "an LAC like university" is a stupid, comical oxymoron. Columbia also has a strong Liberal Arts focus. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Princeton has a similar number of graduate students as Brown and Dartmouth. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Having an undergraduate focus does NOT make a university "LAC like".

As for your comment "Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline"

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/brown-university-217156/overall-rankings

Those graduate program rankings are pretty poor for a supposedly elite research university.

+1. Brown's global rankings are abysmal. Dartmouth as well.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. No one said that Dartmouth and Brown are LACs. Both schools proclaim themselves as liberal arts colleges.

Oh yeah? Where is that, exactly?

https://home.dartmouth.edu/about
Says "Liberal Arts at the Core" which does NOT mean it is an LAC - if it does then so is Columbia. https://bulletin.columbia.edu/columbia-college/core-curriculum/

Dartmouth also says this "More than 75 centers and institutes offer expanded learning and research in areas as diverse as medicine, the arts, engineering, and business. Many are interdisciplinary and bring together faculty and students from across campus to work on complex issues."

https://www.brown.edu/academics
Brown is a leading research university and the seventh-oldest college in the U.S.

You don't even know what a liberal arts college is. You know that nearly every university in the country contains one, right? So, bullshit.

Anonymous wrote:I don't even know about Brown because it is a complete non-entity in academia.

This is some nuclear-grade stupid.

As of November 2019, nine Nobel Prize winners have been affiliated with Brown as alumni, faculty, or researchers, as well as seven National Humanities Medalists and ten National Medal of Science laureates.

https://www.brown.edu/academics/physics/news/2016/10/professor-michael-kosterlitz-awarded-2016-nobel-prize-physics#
https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2021/11/brown-alum-wins-nobel-memorial-prize-in-economics-sciences

So many more but I will stop and repeat that you are an embittered idiot.

Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline. Both schools emphasize their undergraduate and liberal arts focus. Again, who called either school an LAC and why are you so angry?

I am angry because I hate stupid, and this idea is stupid and it has been said here before, probably by the same hater of both schools. And it is not objectively delivered stupid, it is intended to be pejorative.

Calling a school "an LAC like university" is a stupid, comical oxymoron. Columbia also has a strong Liberal Arts focus. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Princeton has a similar number of graduate students as Brown and Dartmouth. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Having an undergraduate focus does NOT make a university "LAC like".

As for your comment "Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline"

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/brown-university-217156/overall-rankings

What? You are insane. Both Brown and Dartmouth describe themselves as liberal arts college-like universities, as a point of pride. That's been their position for going on a century.

Well since you present all that evidence it is hard to argue.

Are you this obtuse? I seriously don't even understand what you are trying to argue. Are you trying to argue that being a liberal arts college is inferior, and that all LACs are inherently inferior to universities? What exactly is your point?

Dartmouth emphasizes its liberal arts/undergraduate-focused roots in literally every marketing material. First line here: "Dartmouth is known as a liberal arts college, but what does that mean?" Dartmouth is literally Dartmouth COLLEGE because they wanted to emphasize their liberal arts roots. Read more here: https://250.dartmouth.edu/news/2019/03/curriculum-vitae-traces-progression-dartmouths-liberal-arts-tradition

Brown is 80% undergraduates. Brown has described itself as a "university college" emphasizing its undergraduate and liberal arts focus throughout its history (read more here: https://www.brown.edu/Administration/Dean_of_the_College/tue/downloads/Task_Force_Final_Report.pdf).

They aren't LACs in the modern-day sense (and no one has claimed they are to begin with, so your angry and passionate defense is just weird), of course, but throughout their histories they very clearly have made distinctions to separate themselves from mainstream, full-fledged research universities. Anyone who is even remotely familiar with these schools knows this, so again, who and what are you arguing against? Does being the village idiot really titillate you this much?

I think Dartmouth

Not if you understand numbers

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. No one said that Dartmouth and Brown are LACs. Both schools proclaim themselves as liberal arts colleges.

Oh yeah? Where is that, exactly?

https://home.dartmouth.edu/about
Says "Liberal Arts at the Core" which does NOT mean it is an LAC - if it does then so is Columbia. https://bulletin.columbia.edu/columbia-college/core-curriculum/

Dartmouth also says this "More than 75 centers and institutes offer expanded learning and research in areas as diverse as medicine, the arts, engineering, and business. Many are interdisciplinary and bring together faculty and students from across campus to work on complex issues."

https://www.brown.edu/academics
Brown is a leading research university and the seventh-oldest college in the U.S.

You don't even know what a liberal arts college is. You know that nearly every university in the country contains one, right? So, bullshit.

Anonymous wrote:I don't even know about Brown because it is a complete non-entity in academia.

This is some nuclear-grade stupid.

As of November 2019, nine Nobel Prize winners have been affiliated with Brown as alumni, faculty, or researchers, as well as seven National Humanities Medalists and ten National Medal of Science laureates.

https://www.brown.edu/academics/physics/news/2016/10/professor-michael-kosterlitz-awarded-2016-nobel-prize-physics#
https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2021/11/brown-alum-wins-nobel-memorial-prize-in-economics-sciences

So many more but I will stop and repeat that you are an embittered idiot.

Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline. Both schools emphasize their undergraduate and liberal arts focus. Again, who called either school an LAC and why are you so angry?

I am angry because I hate stupid, and this idea is stupid and it has been said here before, probably by the same hater of both schools. And it is not objectively delivered stupid, it is intended to be pejorative.

Calling a school "an LAC like university" is a stupid, comical oxymoron. Columbia also has a strong Liberal Arts focus. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Princeton has a similar number of graduate students as Brown and Dartmouth. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Having an undergraduate focus does NOT make a university "LAC like".

As for your comment "Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline"

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/brown-university-217156/overall-rankings

Those graduate program rankings are pretty poor for a supposedly elite research university.

That didn’t sound right, so I looked it up. Class of 2025 applications were up 56% from Class of 2024. If there’s new data on Class of 2026 applications, I must have missed it.

Hillsdale

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Anonymous wrote:DP. No one said that Dartmouth and Brown are LACs. Both schools proclaim themselves as liberal arts colleges.

Oh yeah? Where is that, exactly?

https://home.dartmouth.edu/about
Says "Liberal Arts at the Core" which does NOT mean it is an LAC - if it does then so is Columbia. https://bulletin.columbia.edu/columbia-college/core-curriculum/

Dartmouth also says this "More than 75 centers and institutes offer expanded learning and research in areas as diverse as medicine, the arts, engineering, and business. Many are interdisciplinary and bring together faculty and students from across campus to work on complex issues."

https://www.brown.edu/academics
Brown is a leading research university and the seventh-oldest college in the U.S.

You don't even know what a liberal arts college is. You know that nearly every university in the country contains one, right? So, bullshit.

Anonymous wrote:I don't even know about Brown because it is a complete non-entity in academia.

This is some nuclear-grade stupid.

As of November 2019, nine Nobel Prize winners have been affiliated with Brown as alumni, faculty, or researchers, as well as seven National Humanities Medalists and ten National Medal of Science laureates.

https://www.brown.edu/academics/physics/news/2016/10/professor-michael-kosterlitz-awarded-2016-nobel-prize-physics#
https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2021/11/brown-alum-wins-nobel-memorial-prize-in-economics-sciences

So many more but I will stop and repeat that you are an embittered idiot.

Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline. Both schools emphasize their undergraduate and liberal arts focus. Again, who called either school an LAC and why are you so angry?

I am angry because I hate stupid, and this idea is stupid and it has been said here before, probably by the same hater of both schools. And it is not objectively delivered stupid, it is intended to be pejorative.

Calling a school "an LAC like university" is a stupid, comical oxymoron. Columbia also has a strong Liberal Arts focus. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Princeton has a similar number of graduate students as Brown and Dartmouth. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Having an undergraduate focus does NOT make a university "LAC like".

As for your comment "Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline"

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/brown-university-217156/overall-rankings

What? You are insane. Both Brown and Dartmouth describe themselves as liberal arts college-like universities, as a point of pride. That's been their position for going on a century.

Well since you present all that evidence it is hard to argue.

Please tell us how the 47,000 students who applied to Brown and 29,000 to Dartmouth show these schools are "falling out of fashion."

Georgetown is falling fast. It’s in really bad shape, application is a pain the a$$ and many kids who would have pursued it in past (including mine) are now passing. It was my dream school so this makes me sad. It’s also very close to our home so wish one of my kids had wanted to go there.

This is easy. A lot of small liberal arts colleges that are very expensive. Hampshire college is a good example. I looked at Hampshire 25 years ago when I was considering schools--also schools like Bard, Bennington, Sarah Lawrence. These schools are suffering because they are very expensive and they tend to cater to students in the humanities. A lot of parents look at these schools now and don't think the price tag is worth it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2019/10/21/downfall-hampshire-college-broken-business-model-american-higher-education/

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Anonymous wrote:DP. No one said that Dartmouth and Brown are LACs. Both schools proclaim themselves as liberal arts colleges.

Oh yeah? Where is that, exactly?

https://home.dartmouth.edu/about
Says "Liberal Arts at the Core" which does NOT mean it is an LAC - if it does then so is Columbia. https://bulletin.columbia.edu/columbia-college/core-curriculum/

Dartmouth also says this "More than 75 centers and institutes offer expanded learning and research in areas as diverse as medicine, the arts, engineering, and business. Many are interdisciplinary and bring together faculty and students from across campus to work on complex issues."

https://www.brown.edu/academics
Brown is a leading research university and the seventh-oldest college in the U.S.

You don't even know what a liberal arts college is. You know that nearly every university in the country contains one, right? So, bullshit.

Anonymous wrote:I don't even know about Brown because it is a complete non-entity in academia.

This is some nuclear-grade stupid.

As of November 2019, nine Nobel Prize winners have been affiliated with Brown as alumni, faculty, or researchers, as well as seven National Humanities Medalists and ten National Medal of Science laureates.

https://www.brown.edu/academics/physics/news/2016/10/professor-michael-kosterlitz-awarded-2016-nobel-prize-physics#
https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2021/11/brown-alum-wins-nobel-memorial-prize-in-economics-sciences

So many more but I will stop and repeat that you are an embittered idiot.

Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline. Both schools emphasize their undergraduate and liberal arts focus. Again, who called either school an LAC and why are you so angry?

I am angry because I hate stupid, and this idea is stupid and it has been said here before, probably by the same hater of both schools. And it is not objectively delivered stupid, it is intended to be pejorative.

Calling a school "an LAC like university" is a stupid, comical oxymoron. Columbia also has a strong Liberal Arts focus. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Princeton has a similar number of graduate students as Brown and Dartmouth. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Having an undergraduate focus does NOT make a university "LAC like".

As for your comment "Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline"

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/brown-university-217156/overall-rankings

What? You are insane. Both Brown and Dartmouth describe themselves as liberal arts college-like universities, as a point of pride. That's been their position for going on a century.

Well since you present all that evidence it is hard to argue.

Western Reformed Evangelical North Dakota College. Yeah man, that place is on the downer.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. No one said that Dartmouth and Brown are LACs. Both schools proclaim themselves as liberal arts colleges.

Oh yeah? Where is that, exactly?

https://home.dartmouth.edu/about
Says "Liberal Arts at the Core" which does NOT mean it is an LAC - if it does then so is Columbia. https://bulletin.columbia.edu/columbia-college/core-curriculum/

Dartmouth also says this "More than 75 centers and institutes offer expanded learning and research in areas as diverse as medicine, the arts, engineering, and business. Many are interdisciplinary and bring together faculty and students from across campus to work on complex issues."

https://www.brown.edu/academics
Brown is a leading research university and the seventh-oldest college in the U.S.

You don't even know what a liberal arts college is. You know that nearly every university in the country contains one, right? So, bullshit.

Anonymous wrote:I don't even know about Brown because it is a complete non-entity in academia.

This is some nuclear-grade stupid.

As of November 2019, nine Nobel Prize winners have been affiliated with Brown as alumni, faculty, or researchers, as well as seven National Humanities Medalists and ten National Medal of Science laureates.

https://www.brown.edu/academics/physics/news/2016/10/professor-michael-kosterlitz-awarded-2016-nobel-prize-physics#
https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2021/11/brown-alum-wins-nobel-memorial-prize-in-economics-sciences

So many more but I will stop and repeat that you are an embittered idiot.

Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline. Both schools emphasize their undergraduate and liberal arts focus. Again, who called either school an LAC and why are you so angry?

I am angry because I hate stupid, and this idea is stupid and it has been said here before, probably by the same hater of both schools. And it is not objectively delivered stupid, it is intended to be pejorative.

Calling a school "an LAC like university" is a stupid, comical oxymoron. Columbia also has a strong Liberal Arts focus. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Princeton has a similar number of graduate students as Brown and Dartmouth. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Having an undergraduate focus does NOT make a university "LAC like".

As for your comment "Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline"

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/brown-university-217156/overall-rankings

What? You are insane. Both Brown and Dartmouth describe themselves as liberal arts college-like universities, as a point of pride. That's been their position for going on a century.

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown, Dartmouth, Rice, W&M and Berkeley

What is your assessment of Berkeley based on?

The only sense I can think of in which Berkeley has fallen out of fashion is it is behind UCLA in USNWR. That would have been completely unthinkable before, and I still don't buy it.

The other schools are all fine schools and the poster is probably one of those that thinks only large schools doing big research are good for undergraduate study.

Berkeley is ranked lower than UCLA in multiple rankings. It's ranked lower on WSJ/Times ranking as well.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. No one said that Dartmouth and Brown are LACs. Both schools proclaim themselves as liberal arts colleges.

Oh yeah? Where is that, exactly?

https://home.dartmouth.edu/about
Says "Liberal Arts at the Core" which does NOT mean it is an LAC - if it does then so is Columbia. https://bulletin.columbia.edu/columbia-college/core-curriculum/

Dartmouth also says this "More than 75 centers and institutes offer expanded learning and research in areas as diverse as medicine, the arts, engineering, and business. Many are interdisciplinary and bring together faculty and students from across campus to work on complex issues."

https://www.brown.edu/academics
Brown is a leading research university and the seventh-oldest college in the U.S.

You don't even know what a liberal arts college is. You know that nearly every university in the country contains one, right? So, bullshit.

Anonymous wrote:I don't even know about Brown because it is a complete non-entity in academia.

This is some nuclear-grade stupid.

As of November 2019, nine Nobel Prize winners have been affiliated with Brown as alumni, faculty, or researchers, as well as seven National Humanities Medalists and ten National Medal of Science laureates.

https://www.brown.edu/academics/physics/news/2016/10/professor-michael-kosterlitz-awarded-2016-nobel-prize-physics#
https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2021/11/brown-alum-wins-nobel-memorial-prize-in-economics-sciences

So many more but I will stop and repeat that you are an embittered idiot.

Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline. Both schools emphasize their undergraduate and liberal arts focus. Again, who called either school an LAC and why are you so angry?

I am angry because I hate stupid, and this idea is stupid and it has been said here before, probably by the same hater of both schools. And it is not objectively delivered stupid, it is intended to be pejorative.

Calling a school "an LAC like university" is a stupid, comical oxymoron. Columbia also has a strong Liberal Arts focus. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Princeton has a similar number of graduate students as Brown and Dartmouth. Is that also an "LAC like university"? Having an undergraduate focus does NOT make a university "LAC like".

As for your comment "Brown really is not highly ranked in any graduate discipline"

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/brown-university-217156/overall-rankings