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Anonymous wrote:OP, put your kids in Carlin Springs or Randolph and report back.

That’s the whole point of OP’s post. There shouldn’t be any high-poverty schools if we want schools to offer similar experiences/opportunities.

The whole point of my post is to illustrate the face that PP wouldn't put her kids in CS or Randolph.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, put your kids in Carlin Springs or Randolph and report back.

That’s the whole point of OP’s post. There shouldn’t be any high-poverty schools if we want schools to offer similar experiences/opportunities.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Aps does track kids, especially in higher poverty schools. Go look at schools like campbell and barcroft. Interesting how most of the wealthier kids are in the gifted cluster, and most of those kids are in one class. Token few are in other clases, but move to the cluster class for subjects like math. I was shocked to see this at both schools, but especially campbell. Gifted kids got a very different education.

2. Busing doesn’t work. I grew up in a city that bused kids to and from high poverty areas. All it did was create schools within schools and the poor kids didn’t do any better in the wealthier school. School busing failed. Lots of scholarship on that topic as it was big in the 70s.

That’s how the gifted cluster model works (identifying historically underepresented groups is an issue) many grade levels have a gifted math cluster class and a gifted in multiple areas cluster classroom. If the cohort is too small or too large some kids may move for a subject.

I know that is the model. And it results in a school where most white kids were in the gifted cluster. By most, I meant there was literally one or at most two white kids in then non gifted cluster. It was stark-extremely segregated. Other parents noticed too and some were not thrilled by it. School was supposedly celebrated as “diverse” but that did not exist in the classroom.

On a related note, Duran wrote this in yesterday’s update:

Program of Studies and Gifted Services Update: Next Tue, Dec. 14, we are holding a work session on the Program of Studies and Gifted Services. I encourage families interested in these topics to tune in. As part of our commitment to equity and ensuring we are serving the needs of all students, I will share recommended changes for Gifted Services that will benefit our students.

translation: due to our crabs in a bucket mentality, no one is allowed to excel. "equity" = lowest common denominator

I hope not in this case, but we’ll see soon. If APS wants the families that bailed for private during the pandemic to consider coming back, they can’t lean too hard on this issue.

I’m not sure they want them back. Sure, they’d like their test scores back, but APS has demonstrated time and again that they do not care about providing services to gifted kids. They fight hard against providing services to kids with special needs, period. But a non-2E gifted kid? Not even on their radar.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Aps does track kids, especially in higher poverty schools. Go look at schools like campbell and barcroft. Interesting how most of the wealthier kids are in the gifted cluster, and most of those kids are in one class. Token few are in other clases, but move to the cluster class for subjects like math. I was shocked to see this at both schools, but especially campbell. Gifted kids got a very different education.

2. Busing doesn’t work. I grew up in a city that bused kids to and from high poverty areas. All it did was create schools within schools and the poor kids didn’t do any better in the wealthier school. School busing failed. Lots of scholarship on that topic as it was big in the 70s.

That’s how the gifted cluster model works (identifying historically underepresented groups is an issue) many grade levels have a gifted math cluster class and a gifted in multiple areas cluster classroom. If the cohort is too small or too large some kids may move for a subject.

I know that is the model. And it results in a school where most white kids were in the gifted cluster. By most, I meant there was literally one or at most two white kids in then non gifted cluster. It was stark-extremely segregated. Other parents noticed too and some were not thrilled by it. School was supposedly celebrated as “diverse” but that did not exist in the classroom.

On a related note, Duran wrote this in yesterday’s update:

Program of Studies and Gifted Services Update: Next Tue, Dec. 14, we are holding a work session on the Program of Studies and Gifted Services. I encourage families interested in these topics to tune in. As part of our commitment to equity and ensuring we are serving the needs of all students, I will share recommended changes for Gifted Services that will benefit our students.

translation: due to our crabs in a bucket mentality, no one is allowed to excel. "equity" = lowest common denominator

I hope not in this case, but we’ll see soon. If APS wants the families that bailed for private during the pandemic to consider coming back, they can’t lean too hard on this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Aps does track kids, especially in higher poverty schools. Go look at schools like campbell and barcroft. Interesting how most of the wealthier kids are in the gifted cluster, and most of those kids are in one class. Token few are in other clases, but move to the cluster class for subjects like math. I was shocked to see this at both schools, but especially campbell. Gifted kids got a very different education.

2. Busing doesn’t work. I grew up in a city that bused kids to and from high poverty areas. All it did was create schools within schools and the poor kids didn’t do any better in the wealthier school. School busing failed. Lots of scholarship on that topic as it was big in the 70s.

That’s how the gifted cluster model works (identifying historically underepresented groups is an issue) many grade levels have a gifted math cluster class and a gifted in multiple areas cluster classroom. If the cohort is too small or too large some kids may move for a subject.

I know that is the model. And it results in a school where most white kids were in the gifted cluster. By most, I meant there was literally one or at most two white kids in then non gifted cluster. It was stark-extremely segregated. Other parents noticed too and some were not thrilled by it. School was supposedly celebrated as “diverse” but that did not exist in the classroom.

On a related note, Duran wrote this in yesterday’s update:

Program of Studies and Gifted Services Update: Next Tue, Dec. 14, we are holding a work session on the Program of Studies and Gifted Services. I encourage families interested in these topics to tune in. As part of our commitment to equity and ensuring we are serving the needs of all students, I will share recommended changes for Gifted Services that will benefit our students.

translation: due to our crabs in a bucket mentality, no one is allowed to excel. "equity" = lowest common denominator

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Anonymous wrote:1. Aps does track kids, especially in higher poverty schools. Go look at schools like campbell and barcroft. Interesting how most of the wealthier kids are in the gifted cluster, and most of those kids are in one class. Token few are in other clases, but move to the cluster class for subjects like math. I was shocked to see this at both schools, but especially campbell. Gifted kids got a very different education.

2. Busing doesn’t work. I grew up in a city that bused kids to and from high poverty areas. All it did was create schools within schools and the poor kids didn’t do any better in the wealthier school. School busing failed. Lots of scholarship on that topic as it was big in the 70s.

That’s how the gifted cluster model works (identifying historically underepresented groups is an issue) many grade levels have a gifted math cluster class and a gifted in multiple areas cluster classroom. If the cohort is too small or too large some kids may move for a subject.

I know that is the model. And it results in a school where most white kids were in the gifted cluster. By most, I meant there was literally one or at most two white kids in then non gifted cluster. It was stark-extremely segregated. Other parents noticed too and some were not thrilled by it. School was supposedly celebrated as “diverse” but that did not exist in the classroom.

On a related note, Duran wrote this in yesterday’s update:

Program of Studies and Gifted Services Update: Next Tue, Dec. 14, we are holding a work session on the Program of Studies and Gifted Services. I encourage families interested in these topics to tune in. As part of our commitment to equity and ensuring we are serving the needs of all students, I will share recommended changes for Gifted Services that will benefit our students.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Aps does track kids, especially in higher poverty schools. Go look at schools like campbell and barcroft. Interesting how most of the wealthier kids are in the gifted cluster, and most of those kids are in one class. Token few are in other clases, but move to the cluster class for subjects like math. I was shocked to see this at both schools, but especially campbell. Gifted kids got a very different education.

2. Busing doesn’t work. I grew up in a city that bused kids to and from high poverty areas. All it did was create schools within schools and the poor kids didn’t do any better in the wealthier school. School busing failed. Lots of scholarship on that topic as it was big in the 70s.

That’s how the gifted cluster model works (identifying historically underepresented groups is an issue) many grade levels have a gifted math cluster class and a gifted in multiple areas cluster classroom. If the cohort is too small or too large some kids may move for a subject.

I know that is the model. And it results in a school where most white kids were in the gifted cluster. By most, I meant there was literally one or at most two white kids in then non gifted cluster. It was stark-extremely segregated. Other parents noticed too and some were not thrilled by it. School was supposedly celebrated as “diverse” but that did not exist in the classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Aps does track kids, especially in higher poverty schools. Go look at schools like campbell and barcroft. Interesting how most of the wealthier kids are in the gifted cluster, and most of those kids are in one class. Token few are in other clases, but move to the cluster class for subjects like math. I was shocked to see this at both schools, but especially campbell. Gifted kids got a very different education.

2. Busing doesn’t work. I grew up in a city that bused kids to and from high poverty areas. All it did was create schools within schools and the poor kids didn’t do any better in the wealthier school. School busing failed. Lots of scholarship on that topic as it was big in the 70s.

That’s how the gifted cluster model works (identifying historically underepresented groups is an issue) many grade levels have a gifted math cluster class and a gifted in multiple areas cluster classroom. If the cohort is too small or too large some kids may move for a subject.

Anonymous wrote:1. Aps does track kids, especially in higher poverty schools. Go look at schools like campbell and barcroft. Interesting how most of the wealthier kids are in the gifted cluster, and most of those kids are in one class. Token few are in other clases, but move to the cluster class for subjects like math. I was shocked to see this at both schools, but especially campbell. Gifted kids got a very different education.

2. Busing doesn’t work. I grew up in a city that bused kids to and from high poverty areas. All it did was create schools within schools and the poor kids didn’t do any better in the wealthier school. School busing failed. Lots of scholarship on that topic as it was big in the 70s.

Anonymous wrote:OP, put your kids in Carlin Springs or Randolph and report back.

If they cave to this petition, they’ll just be setting themselves up for all the other split neighborhoods/feeder schools with few kids in individual planning units to demand the same, and there are A LOT of them, and not enough space to cave to them all. That’s why they split them in the first place.