Anonymous wrote:so professor: do you believe that students who are encouraged to get good grades are being subject to a white supremacist concept? This is directly from CRT. Do you want your kids to get good grades?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, Inoue’s HOWL, “Habits of White Language,” as the standard teachers use to grade students’ work, for one example. He recommended grading on “labor” rather than standards.

He denounces standard grammar, punctuation and spelling as racist.

First, that is not "teaching CRT" in school.
Second, what does that author's opinion about grading have to do with this conversation about learning about CRT is in college?



As an aside from the conversation on CRT, has any college espoused following that guy's opinion on paper grading or changed their curriculum based on it?

NP. FYI, he's an associate professor at Arizona State. The story just came out yesterday I believe so no reaction from the college yet

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Anonymous wrote:Well, Inoue’s HOWL, “Habits of White Language,” as the standard teachers use to grade students’ work, for one example. He recommended grading on “labor” rather than standards.

He denounces standard grammar, punctuation and spelling as racist.

First, that is not "teaching CRT" in school.
Second, what does that author's opinion about grading have to do with this conversation about learning about CRT is in college?



As an aside from the conversation on CRT, has any college espoused following that guy's opinion on paper grading or changed their curriculum based on it?

Anonymous wrote:Well, Inoue’s HOWL, “Habits of White Language,” as the standard teachers use to grade students’ work, for one example. He recommended grading on “labor” rather than standards.

He denounces standard grammar, punctuation and spelling as racist.

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Anonymous wrote:My "kid" will be in 18, in college, and learning critical thinking. It won't matter what I think because it's not my job to shelter him at that point.

Even at 14, he had a teacher tell him LAST MONTH that the civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about state's rights. I didn't put up a fuss because he is old enough already to use his brain and begin filtering bs.

You want to shield your kids forever, fine. But I'll teach mine to take in information and examine it critically.

Actually there is very little "critical thinking" going on in colleges right now (I have three in three different schools.) There is an approved narrative that each person must agree with or be 1) socially shunned; 2) shouted down; 3) graded down. Even things that have little to do with race, like support of labor unions. My DS was warned by a professor that in his major, it is an assumption that unions are positive, productive and necessary, and no criticism is allowed. Don't even ask about history classes, anthropology classes, etc. They have taken to assigning whole books written by journalists and other non professionals or memoirs rather than multiple peer reviewed articles coming from a variety of positions.

Frankly, it is shocking to me as someone who attended a top university where professors would challenge every idea and demand that you be able to argue your position with evidence. Instead, it is... read a book about how racist society was or is, then write a "critique" where you "agree" with the author, then discuss in a class where anyone who dares to disagree is silenced.

That is definitely NOT critical thinking.

I agree. What's going on is exactly the opposite of critical thinking. You must follow a political/ideological orthodoxy or else! And feckless college administrators put up with it. Even creeped into Math of all places. I assume the physical sciences are not as subject to this

Good lord, you are so full of it. I teach at university, and this is just a false narrative. In fact, it is NO DIFFERENT than the same bullspit I heard when I started teaching in the 90s about colleges being "liberal indoctrination" farms. The terminology has changed over the decades...first it was about economic liberalism (post Reagan), then anti-military USA hating elites," then came "the gay agenda." Now the boogeyman is "CRT." The playbook and the whining has never changed, though.

You would have been the parent of the kid who said he had to drop my Persuasion and Rhetoric class in 2014 because we were reading articles about gay marriage and his parents said it went against his religion. Or the kid in 2006 who objected to learning different things about the iraq war through reading, or the kid in my first class as a TA who told me that he thought college was going to try to teach him what to think, not how to think, because his parents had drilled it into him to be wary of his liberal, Clinton voting professors.

Nothing changes.

NP-- I don't agree they are full of it. They are presenting a different viewpoint than yours. As a professor I would hope you would be open to a differing viewpoint.

Also, whether I agree or disagree with my students, my job as a professor is not simply to "respect" other viewpoints. It is to challenge students critically. I am open and I listen, but not passively.

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Anonymous wrote:so professor: do you believe that students who are encouraged to get good grades are being subject to a white supremacist concept? This is directly from CRT. Do you want your kids to get good grades?

Prove this to me. Show me where in CRT this is said.

Anonymous wrote:so professor: do you believe that students who are encouraged to get good grades are being subject to a white supremacist concept? This is directly from CRT. Do you want your kids to get good grades?

Anonymous wrote:"The president of the second-largest teachers’ union in America denied that critical race theory is taught in K–12 schools during remarks on Tuesday in which she vowed to fight “culture warriors” who attempt to censor a realistic telling of the country’s history.

Randi Weingarten, the head of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), said during a conference that the union is preparing litigation and is “ready to go.”

“Let’s be clear: critical race theory is not taught in elementary schools or high schools. It’s a method of examination taught in law school and college that helps analyze whether systemic racism exists,” Weingarten said, according to a copy of the remarks posted on the union’s website.

Experts say critical race theory “presupposes that racism is embedded within society and institutions.” The theory’s implementation in classrooms nationwide has drawn outcry from parents, some of whom have received emails from their children’s schools about “Decentering Whiteness at Home” or have elementary-school-aged children who have been read “a book about whiteness” that suggests “color matters” and encourages them to dissect “the painful truth” about their “own family,” regarding potential racist behavior.

“Culture warriors are labeling any discussion of race, racism or discrimination as CRT to try to make it toxic. They are bullying teachers and trying to stop us from teaching students accurate history,” Weingarten said.

“Teaching the truth is not radical or wrong. Distorting history and threatening educators for teaching the truth is what is truly radical and wrong,” she added.

Weingarten’s comments come after nearly 20 states have floated proposals to ban CRT. Six states have already passed laws that limit how teachers can discuss race in the classroom, while nearly a dozen more are considering similar measures, according to the Daily Caller.

Meanwhile, the National Education Association, the country’s largest teachers’ union, voted last week to conduct opposition research on groups that oppose the use of critical race theory in school curricula.

During its virtual representative assembly this week, the NEA adopted an amendment that would see the union spend an estimated $56,500 on researching anti-CRT organizations.

“NEA will research the organizations attacking educators doing anti-racist work and/or use the research already done and put together a list of resources and recommendations for state affiliates, locals, and individual educators to utilize when they are attacked,” the newly adopted business item reads.

“The attacks on anti-racist teachers are increasing, coordinated by well-funded organizations such as the Heritage Foundation. We need to be better prepared to respond to these attacks so that our members can continue this important work,” the item says, noting that the Heritage Foundation has pledged to reject CRT.

Yet the Daily Caller found last month that over 165 local and national parent groups have organized to combat CRT being taught in schools.

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Anonymous wrote:My "kid" will be in 18, in college, and learning critical thinking. It won't matter what I think because it's not my job to shelter him at that point.

Even at 14, he had a teacher tell him LAST MONTH that the civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about state's rights. I didn't put up a fuss because he is old enough already to use his brain and begin filtering bs.

You want to shield your kids forever, fine. But I'll teach mine to take in information and examine it critically.

Actually there is very little "critical thinking" going on in colleges right now (I have three in three different schools.) There is an approved narrative that each person must agree with or be 1) socially shunned; 2) shouted down; 3) graded down. Even things that have little to do with race, like support of labor unions. My DS was warned by a professor that in his major, it is an assumption that unions are positive, productive and necessary, and no criticism is allowed. Don't even ask about history classes, anthropology classes, etc. They have taken to assigning whole books written by journalists and other non professionals or memoirs rather than multiple peer reviewed articles coming from a variety of positions.

Frankly, it is shocking to me as someone who attended a top university where professors would challenge every idea and demand that you be able to argue your position with evidence. Instead, it is... read a book about how racist society was or is, then write a "critique" where you "agree" with the author, then discuss in a class where anyone who dares to disagree is silenced.

That is definitely NOT critical thinking.

I agree. What's going on is exactly the opposite of critical thinking. You must follow a political/ideological orthodoxy or else! And feckless college administrators put up with it. Even creeped into Math of all places. I assume the physical sciences are not as subject to this

Good lord, you are so full of it. I teach at university, and this is just a false narrative. In fact, it is NO DIFFERENT than the same bullspit I heard when I started teaching in the 90s about colleges being "liberal indoctrination" farms. The terminology has changed over the decades...first it was about economic liberalism (post Reagan), then anti-military USA hating elites," then came "the gay agenda." Now the boogeyman is "CRT." The playbook and the whining has never changed, though.

You would have been the parent of the kid who said he had to drop my Persuasion and Rhetoric class in 2014 because we were reading articles about gay marriage and his parents said it went against his religion. Or the kid in 2006 who objected to learning different things about the iraq war through reading, or the kid in my first class as a TA who told me that he thought college was going to try to teach him what to think, not how to think, because his parents had drilled it into him to be wary of his liberal, Clinton voting professors.

Nothing changes.

NP-- I don't agree they are full of it. They are presenting a different viewpoint than yours. As a professor I would hope you would be open to a differing viewpoint.

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Anonymous wrote:My "kid" will be in 18, in college, and learning critical thinking. It won't matter what I think because it's not my job to shelter him at that point.

Even at 14, he had a teacher tell him LAST MONTH that the civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about state's rights. I didn't put up a fuss because he is old enough already to use his brain and begin filtering bs.

You want to shield your kids forever, fine. But I'll teach mine to take in information and examine it critically.

Actually there is very little "critical thinking" going on in colleges right now (I have three in three different schools.) There is an approved narrative that each person must agree with or be 1) socially shunned; 2) shouted down; 3) graded down. Even things that have little to do with race, like support of labor unions. My DS was warned by a professor that in his major, it is an assumption that unions are positive, productive and necessary, and no criticism is allowed. Don't even ask about history classes, anthropology classes, etc. They have taken to assigning whole books written by journalists and other non professionals or memoirs rather than multiple peer reviewed articles coming from a variety of positions.

Frankly, it is shocking to me as someone who attended a top university where professors would challenge every idea and demand that you be able to argue your position with evidence. Instead, it is... read a book about how racist society was or is, then write a "critique" where you "agree" with the author, then discuss in a class where anyone who dares to disagree is silenced.

That is definitely NOT critical thinking.

I agree. What's going on is exactly the opposite of critical thinking. You must follow a political/ideological orthodoxy or else! And feckless college administrators put up with it. Even creeped into Math of all places. I assume the physical sciences are not as subject to this

Good lord, you are so full of it. I teach at university, and this is just a false narrative. In fact, it is NO DIFFERENT than the same bullspit I heard when I started teaching in the 90s about colleges being "liberal indoctrination" farms. The terminology has changed over the decades...first it was about economic liberalism (post Reagan), then anti-military USA hating elites," then came "the gay agenda." Now the boogeyman is "CRT." The playbook and the whining has never changed, though.

You would have been the parent of the kid who said he had to drop my Persuasion and Rhetoric class in 2014 because we were reading articles about gay marriage and his parents said it went against his religion. Or the kid in 2006 who objected to learning different things about the iraq war through reading, or the kid in my first class as a TA who told me that he thought college was going to try to teach him what to think, not how to think, because his parents had drilled it into him to be wary of his liberal, Clinton voting professors.

Nothing changes.