Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:09
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Set member tells
@HumanEvents
that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a church scene with the cinematographer when he drew the gun and said something like 'is this what you want?' and then pulled the trigger. Director was standing behind her
If this and the other story (the one about the armorer(?) using this gun to fire live rounds during lunch break) are true, that means there were at least 2 major oversights plus many more I assume. No wonder some of the people left the set because rules weren't being followed.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:06
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Set member tells
@HumanEvents
that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a church scene with the cinematographer when he drew the gun and said something like 'is this what you want?' and then pulled the trigger. Director was standing behind her
I thought we read above that rubber guns are used during rehearsals?
Seems like (perhaps,this is hearsay) that rules were not being followed AND he though it was funny to joke with a gun.
From what all of the professionals have posted, even prop guns are supposed to be tightly controlled.
So, I blame who ever had MANAGEMENT authority (on scence, not back at the studio) over the set.
It probably did not help that they were not working with unionized crew (who would be more aware of their rights/required precautions).
That's not how I read it. I thought the director maybe said he wanted a quick, shoot from the hip look, and Baldwin said "Is this what you want" drawing the gun and doing a quick shot. Honestly -- think about how many scenes there were exactly like that in Deadwood with the quick pull and shoot off the hip. Of course he had no idea of knowing that there was live round, and the director and cinematographer were behind plexiglass. He probably didn't even think there was a blank in the gun, as it sounds like they weren't shooting with blanks. Pulling the trigger on an onloaded six-shooter would not be a big deal at all--just a click and nothing else. It's just outrageous that the gun was loaded, and frankly less suprising that his first response was to yell who the hell gave me a loaded gun? He probably yelled that before he even realized he'd hit anyone with it.
Sound more like the gun guy wanted to play with the props during the break -- maybe it was a cool historical model and he wanted to see how it shot and how good his aim would be with it -- and forgot that he left live rounds in the gun.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:06
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
This story is so damning:
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set
What a sad irony that she was advocating for better work conditions for the unionized workers.
No justice.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set
What a sad irony that she was advocating for better work conditions for the unionized workers.
No justice.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:00
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Set member tells
@HumanEvents
that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a church scene with the cinematographer when he drew the gun and said something like 'is this what you want?' and then pulled the trigger. Director was standing behind her
I thought we read above that rubber guns are used during rehearsals?
Seems like (perhaps,this is hearsay) that rules were not being followed AND he though it was funny to joke with a gun.
From what all of the professionals have posted, even prop guns are supposed to be tightly controlled.
So, I blame who ever had MANAGEMENT authority (on scence, not back at the studio) over the set.
It probably did not help that they were not working with unionized crew (who would be more aware of their rights/required precautions).
Anonymous
10/22/2021 16:55
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Set member tells
@HumanEvents
that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a church scene with the cinematographer when he drew the gun and said something like 'is this what you want?' and then pulled the trigger. Director was standing behind her
Bullet struck abdomen, then exited and struck director's shoulder, per member
OMG
Anonymous
10/22/2021 16:47
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Set member tells
@HumanEvents
that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a church scene with the cinematographer when he drew the gun and said something like 'is this what you want?' and then pulled the trigger. Director was standing behind her
Bullet struck abdomen, then exited and struck director's shoulder, per member
Anonymous
10/22/2021 16:45
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Set member tells
@HumanEvents
that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a church scene with the cinematographer when he drew the gun and said something like 'is this what you want?' and then pulled the trigger. Director was standing behind her
@HumanEvents
that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a church scene with the cinematographer when he drew the gun and said something like 'is this what you want?' and then pulled the trigger. Director was standing behind her
Anonymous
10/22/2021 16:38
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Bruce Lee’s son die in an accident on set with a firearm?
Yes, Brandon Lee while filming The Crow. Such an incredible performance, he was going to be a huge star. The original cut of the film actually included the moment where he was shot.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/entertainment/brandon-lee-family-speaks-out-halyna-hutchins-death-intl-scli/index.html
For Brandon Lee, what happened was there was a bullet head stuck inside the barrel before it was used. The pressure from the blank actually pushed out the stuck bullet head which hit Brandon at close range.
“bullet head”
Gawd I love hearing DCUM trying to explain things they don’t understand but think they’re still experts about.
What is wrong with their brief description? I'm not a gun owner, so I appreciate their input.
It's a bullet tip, not a bullet head. Don't comment about guns if you know nothing about them.
Might oughta take your own advice.
A “round” of ammunition is composed of a casing, which has a primer at the rear and propellant within. It is topped (in live ammunition) with a “bullet” aka “projectile. Not “bullet tip” or “bullet head.”
Blank ammunition is crimped at the top and contains a wad. The wad itself can cause fatality, as can the overpressure from the primer and any propellant. That’s what killed John Eric Hexum.
It is absolutely preposterous that any live ammunition would be on a movie set.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 16:32
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what happened, why was AB’s initial reaction to shout “who gave me the hot gun?” It makes it seem like he was more concerned with pointing fingers than worrying about the victims.
None of us yet know what else he said. You're reacting to a report, not an absolute truth. Brighten up.
Everyone wants to know who gave him that gun. They were literally the people who should have known the gun was loaded.
Alec, as producer and seasoned actor, should have inspected weapon with weapons armorer. Lax safety protocols and criminal negligence.
Typically, actors are not allowed to inspect, open, disassemble, wave, or do anything with the weapon other than hold it and pull the trigger on cue. The actor is presumed to not be an expert and that's why the armorer is hired & the only person to touch the firearm.
That’s not what this actor says about strict weapons protocols on set:
Actor W. Earl Brown details strict weapon protocols:
"In the aftermath of Jon Erik Hexum, the dedicated crew job of Weapons Handler was created — someone whose sole responsibility is overseeing any and all firearms used on a movie set.
In the aftermath of Brandon Lee, the rules got much stricter and oversight increased.
For rehearsals, we are given rubber weapons.
When it is necessary for a real weapon to be used, the weapons handler clears the chamber, the cylinder, the clip, etc… anywhere a projectile can lodge is checked. If dummy bullets are required, each shell is checked before loading…
This process is then checked by an assistant director or director and then by any actors involved in the scene. The weapon is usually dry fired.
At all times, treat every weapon as if it’s loaded — barrel down, uncocked, finger off trigger.
If a live Blank is required, it is loaded at the last minute. The presence of a live round is always announced so that everyone knows the size of the load and that the round is live.
"
As soon as “Cut” is called, the weapon is to be returned to the Handler. No exceptions.
Those are the Rules."
https://twitter.com/WEarlBrown
This prop master says that an actor does not inspect the firearm on set. It is the responsibility of the armorer or prop master to check & be responsible for the firearm. The actor does not have time to inspect.
https://www.tiktok.com/@propstohistory/video/7021922362849348869?
Anonymous
10/22/2021 16:01
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what happened, why was AB’s initial reaction to shout “who gave me the hot gun?” It makes it seem like he was more concerned with pointing fingers than worrying about the victims.
None of us yet know what else he said. You're reacting to a report, not an absolute truth. Brighten up.
Everyone wants to know who gave him that gun. They were literally the people who should have known the gun was loaded.
Alec, as producer and seasoned actor, should have inspected weapon with weapons armorer. Lax safety protocols and criminal negligence.
Typically, actors are not allowed to inspect, open, disassemble, wave, or do anything with the weapon other than hold it and pull the trigger on cue. The actor is presumed to not be an expert and that's why the armorer is hired & the only person to touch the firearm.
That’s not what this actor says about strict weapons protocols on set:
Actor W. Earl Brown details strict weapon protocols:
"In the aftermath of Jon Erik Hexum, the dedicated crew job of Weapons Handler was created — someone whose sole responsibility is overseeing any and all firearms used on a movie set.
In the aftermath of Brandon Lee, the rules got much stricter and oversight increased.
For rehearsals, we are given rubber weapons.
When it is necessary for a real weapon to be used, the weapons handler clears the chamber, the cylinder, the clip, etc… anywhere a projectile can lodge is checked. If dummy bullets are required, each shell is checked before loading…
This process is then checked by an assistant director or director and then by any actors involved in the scene. The weapon is usually dry fired.
At all times, treat every weapon as if it’s loaded — barrel down, uncocked, finger off trigger.
If a live Blank is required, it is loaded at the last minute. The presence of a live round is always announced so that everyone knows the size of the load and that the round is live.
"
As soon as “Cut” is called, the weapon is to be returned to the Handler. No exceptions.
Those are the Rules."
https://twitter.com/WEarlBrown
I read all this as being about James Earl Jones
Anonymous
10/22/2021 16:01
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
https://www.tiktok.com/@propstohistory/video/7021908652202265862?_d=secCgYIASAHKAESPgo8bMICG4tHjXcGcgm%2FvyMOgZAwCaxJkciPUKxqmeYqIjN2T9kzsGK5mr5576TtH9hLg75IIqSpAzOPq1g7GgA%3D&checksum=499c5fe5f542a6db7568cb27e91b82e9905ea90804c722f4f3329e442100e13d&language=en&preview_pb=0&sec_user_id=MS4wLjABAAAA3mpkcq1OB_bYGKLZ5lp3ggYdl1Lv_2_b8y2gTcWn7T9T2t3ogZ6PqB06mtFfpgC2&share_app_id=1233&share_item_id=7021908652202265862&share_link_id=A6D3084B-0DAF-433D-AAF2-930ED60D2630&source=h5_m×tamp=1634922032&tt_from=copy&u_code=d95fkgbg1il7ma&user_id=6755127087382414342&utm_campaign=client_share&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=copy&_r=1
That’s a TikTok link to Union member with his analysis ion weapon and what probably happened — also describing details on Union crew walking off set due to poor work conditions, 17 hour days and no hotel rooms for crew.
That’s a TikTok link to Union member with his analysis ion weapon and what probably happened — also describing details on Union crew walking off set due to poor work conditions, 17 hour days and no hotel rooms for crew.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 15:55
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Clearly, like in the case of most accidental deaths, something went wrong. Usually multiple things went wrong.
People love to blame the person who was the most close to the event, but very often there are policies or product flaws that contributed equally to the death. Relying on the human to act flawlessly is a very weak plan.
People love to blame the person who was the most close to the event, but very often there are policies or product flaws that contributed equally to the death. Relying on the human to act flawlessly is a very weak plan.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 15:48
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what happened, why was AB’s initial reaction to shout “who gave me the hot gun?” It makes it seem like he was more concerned with pointing fingers than worrying about the victims.
None of us yet know what else he said. You're reacting to a report, not an absolute truth. Brighten up.
Everyone wants to know who gave him that gun. They were literally the people who should have known the gun was loaded.
Alec, as producer and seasoned actor, should have inspected weapon with weapons armorer. Lax safety protocols and criminal negligence.
Typically, actors are not allowed to inspect, open, disassemble, wave, or do anything with the weapon other than hold it and pull the trigger on cue. The actor is presumed to not be an expert and that's why the armorer is hired & the only person to touch the firearm.
That’s not what this actor says about strict weapons protocols on set:
Actor W. Earl Brown details strict weapon protocols:
"In the aftermath of Jon Erik Hexum, the dedicated crew job of Weapons Handler was created — someone whose sole responsibility is overseeing any and all firearms used on a movie set.
In the aftermath of Brandon Lee, the rules got much stricter and oversight increased.
For rehearsals, we are given rubber weapons.
When it is necessary for a real weapon to be used, the weapons handler clears the chamber, the cylinder, the clip, etc… anywhere a projectile can lodge is checked. If dummy bullets are required, each shell is checked before loading…
This process is then checked by an assistant director or director and then by any actors involved in the scene. The weapon is usually dry fired.
At all times, treat every weapon as if it’s loaded — barrel down, uncocked, finger off trigger.
If a live Blank is required, it is loaded at the last minute. The presence of a live round is always announced so that everyone knows the size of the load and that the round is live.
"
As soon as “Cut” is called, the weapon is to be returned to the Handler. No exceptions.
Those are the Rules."
https://twitter.com/WEarlBrown
Anonymous
10/22/2021 15:45
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what happened, why was AB’s initial reaction to shout “who gave me the hot gun?” It makes it seem like he was more concerned with pointing fingers than worrying about the victims.
None of us yet know what else he said. You're reacting to a report, not an absolute truth. Brighten up.
Everyone wants to know who gave him that gun. They were literally the people who should have known the gun was loaded.
Alec, as producer and seasoned actor, should have inspected weapon with weapons armorer. Lax safety protocols and criminal negligence.
No they don't inspect everything when their shooting. That is already supposed to be done by the people whose job that is. Stop trying to blame Baldwin.
We do not know the details. But actors are never to point the gun - be it a prop pisotol or not - directly at anyone.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 15:39
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Regardless of what happened, why was AB’s initial reaction to shout “who gave me the hot gun?” It makes it seem like he was more concerned with pointing fingers than worrying about the victims.
None of us yet know what else he said. You're reacting to a report, not an absolute truth. Brighten up.
Everyone wants to know who gave him that gun. They were literally the people who should have known the gun was loaded.
Alec, as producer and seasoned actor, should have inspected weapon with weapons armorer. Lax safety protocols and criminal negligence.
Typically, actors are not allowed to inspect, open, disassemble, wave, or do anything with the weapon other than hold it and pull the trigger on cue. The actor is presumed to not be an expert and that's why the armorer is hired & the only person to touch the firearm.