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Name one kid who got recruited from a DC area private school into a top D1 or D3 program without the backing of a club. Just one. Case closed.
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Landon's Marshall Peters, class of 2013, never played club lacrosse. He was a stud soccer player I recall who had D1 offers in both sports before deciding on Cornell for lacrosse.

http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2017/6/8/mens-lacrosse-marshall-peters-named-usila-scholar-all-american.aspx

At the end of the day, if your son is a stud athlete, and your HS coach has credibility in the college ranks, your son has a chance ending up at D1.

Also an excellent student and leader who did not need Lacrosse to get into Cornell.

Name one kid who got recruited from a DC area private school into a top D1 or D3 program without the backing of a club. Just one. Case closed.
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Landon's Marshall Peters, class of 2013, never played club lacrosse. He was a stud soccer player I recall who had D1 offers in both sports before deciding on Cornell for lacrosse.

http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2017/6/8/mens-lacrosse-marshall-peters-named-usila-scholar-all-american.aspx

At the end of the day, if your son is a stud athlete, and your HS coach has credibility in the college ranks, your son has a chance ending up at D1.

Anonymous wrote:Well how about the landon kid that was threatened by the psycho madlax coach in 8th grade for choosing to study for an exam instead of going to a club practice? you know, the crazy emails to the parents that said the kid would never play in college because of the coach's leverage? the same kid who ended up going to uva who was also the defending national champion at the time. it's somewhere on this thread.

He moved from Madlax to another club--VLC, I think.

The Landon kid went from Madlax to VLC, and continued to play VLC during high school.

Kylor Bellistri's dad is now the Bullis head coach, so maybe he had an advantage that other kids might not have. He was also a stud football player, so he might not have had the full-time interest in lacrosse at that time.

That being said, there has to be a few kids that only play high school that go on to play high level D1 or D3, whether someone can quote the names or not. HOWEVER, it is a much harder road, irrespective of which high school you attend. Not impossible, just harder. Even for the kids at Gonzaga or Prep.

On the girls side, it's even less likely that a non-club player will make it to a high level D1 or D3, because colleges rely even more heavily on the clubs for recruiting on the girls side. The depth of talent on most girls high school teams (and most games) is too thin for recruiters to get an accurate picture on talented kids. Club games are generally more competitive for girls, and can give a college coach more info about that player's in-game talents.

And before certain people freak out, these are just my general thoughts; not unimpeachable truths. Just my impression after 7 years of boys club ball, 6 years of girls club ball and both sides of the high school game. I'm sure there are some different opinions.

Kyle Bellestri (Bullis,Brown, Boston Cannons) never a club player.

Well how about the landon kid that was threatened by the psycho madlax coach in 8th grade for choosing to study for an exam instead of going to a club practice? you know, the crazy emails to the parents that said the kid would never play in college because of the coach's leverage? the same kid who ended up going to uva who was also the defending national champion at the time. it's somewhere on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Some kids bolted to their high schools and play in the fall ball league with their high schools. DCE is in the same fall ball league as most top high school lacrosse programs.

"Bolting" from a club to a non-club suggests to me that these kids aren't looking to get recruited. Great for them if that's the case. But if recruitment is the name of the game (for the parents at least), you can't go clubless, even if your high school is Gonzaga or Landon or Bullis.

You actually can. Most colleges have recruitment days where kids come in and play for the coaches. Along with a recommendation from your HS coach, it is entirely doable especially with not being able to commit till Junior year.

Name one kid who got recruited from a DC area private school into a top D1 or D3 program without the backing of a club. Just one. Case closed.

Anonymous wrote:The biggest downside of clubs and recruiting that I've seen is the club coach will push kids to the biggest name school possible without regard for fit because they then use their big name recruit list to lure more paying customers. School coaches seem to care much more about getting kids into their he right schools not necessarily the biggest name. I've known high school coaches surprised and dismayed with some of the college programs that recruit their players based in their clubs

Not what I see. If the kid is a bad fit the kid will likely quit before too long. Th lacrosse program at that college will be out a player. The college coach will be pissed they wasted a space on a kid who wasnt a good fit and who do you think they will blame? The club coach who steered them to that player. The clubs I have experience with are careful about matching kids and colleges for lacrosse for that reason.

The biggest downside of clubs and recruiting that I've seen is the club coach will push kids to the biggest name school possible without regard for fit because they then use their big name recruit list to lure more paying customers. School coaches seem to care much more about getting kids into their he right schools not necessarily the biggest name. I've known high school coaches surprised and dismayed with some of the college programs that recruit their players based in their clubs

I wish the boys lax world was similar to the girls. But it is far from it.

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Anonymous wrote:Well they are posting on here and trying to scare people into continuing to pay for their recruiting services etc

No, its parents. Dont be such a conspiracy weanie.

Frankly, my DD plays for a top club and will continue to do so (as long as she keeps working hard and makes it) and she wanst to play DI lax at an Ivy. More power to her. Im willing to support her however I can. If otjers want to pull their kids from clubs, go for it! I think you are making ahge mistake and dramatically narrowing, if not destroying, your kid's chance of getting recruited to a DI but its not really my problem.

Agree. My daughter is lucky to have a great club team and her high school coach. We have no plans to pull her from club. It's also another group of girls, many of whom don't play in the DC private school league, so she gets to spend time and play with people she would otherwise not have the chance to play with. Good luck to your daughter!

Best of luck to your DD too. The girls lacrosse world is really pretty great. All the women coaches and post-college players my DD meets and works with are supportive and believe in growing the game.

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Anonymous wrote:Well they are posting on here and trying to scare people into continuing to pay for their recruiting services etc

No, its parents. Dont be such a conspiracy weanie.

Frankly, my DD plays for a top club and will continue to do so (as long as she keeps working hard and makes it) and she wanst to play DI lax at an Ivy. More power to her. Im willing to support her however I can. If otjers want to pull their kids from clubs, go for it! I think you are making ahge mistake and dramatically narrowing, if not destroying, your kid's chance of getting recruited to a DI but its not really my problem.

Agree. My daughter is lucky to have a great club team and her high school coach. We have no plans to pull her from club. It's also another group of girls, many of whom don't play in the DC private school league, so she gets to spend time and play with people she would otherwise not have the chance to play with. Good luck to your daughter!

What are the big recruitment team tournaments this fall?

Anonymous wrote:Well they are posting on here and trying to scare people into continuing to pay for their recruiting services etc

No, its parents. Dont be such a conspiracy weanie.

Frankly, my DD plays for a top club and will continue to do so (as long as she keeps working hard and makes it) and she wanst to play DI lax at an Ivy. More power to her. Im willing to support her however I can. If otjers want to pull their kids from clubs, go for it! I think you are making ahge mistake and dramatically narrowing, if not destroying, your kid's chance of getting recruited to a DI but its not really my problem.

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Except for some top HS, college assistant coaches go through the club, not the HS coach. I understand how a couple of random HS coaches keep posting this crap on here periodically, but it's not true. If you are going to take a chance and not play club and hope you can get recruited via a mixture of individual events and your HS coach, you are going to be disappointed

you must be a club coach.

why should I dish out $4,000 a year to go to some random tournament in PA or in Boys Latin to play the same clubs.

I've been through all this before with my older son, who played club, and now plays in the Patriot league.

Not that poster nor do I work for a club. I guess you must have a son at Prep or one of those schools that furiously tries to keep its kid from playing club. For every Nick Fields who went high D1 without ever playing club, there are a 100 who got nowhere only playing for the HS. A guy like Fields is skilled and a freak athlete, so he was always going to go D1 no matter what.

Your advice is god awful. Although there are many clubs like Madlax that rob families by charging near $4k to play for them, a kid who wants to play collegiately should play club:

1. Certain clubs have relationships that can help open the door and/or confirm to a college coach what they saw. The kid is by far the most important variable to recruiting, but the club coach is usually leaned upon for feedback. Rare is the HS coach that has similar access (especially a non-NY public school coach).

2. Just like the kid who quits club because they committed, it's a bad idea not to keep playing as much as you can (unless you have other sports and/or are burning out). Playing club in the summer or fall means playing against strong opponents and presumably with good teammates. Yes, some HS are playing more now in the offseason than ever, but the club schedule is usually superior.


You are an absolute idiot.